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    London Tube strikes from 6pm today! (Sunday 8th Jan)

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    From 6pm today for 24 hours, London underground train services will be heavily reduced, due to strike action. The strike is in protest after around 800 job cuts were made. Now upto 4000 station and ticket staff are gearing up for the strike and there could possibly be more in the near future.

    More info
    Info from the "Transport for London" Web site Here

    The strike is by station staff, which means many Tube stations may not open at all, particularly in Zone 1



    Tube station staff who are union members are striking for 24 hours from 18:00 on Sunday 8 January. Tube services are severely reduced and some stations are closed from Sunday evening until the end of service on Monday 9 January. This means that the majority of stations in Zone 1 are closed.


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    "Transport for London has advised passengers that there will be a severely reduced service across the capital both on Sunday evening and throughout Monday." Source

    43 Comments

    cold. It's going to be super painful for me

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    dhanepud

    cold. It's going to be super painful for me



    Ahh man, I hope you can get something sorted! Such an important part of so many people's daily commute, it's unreal (as you'll know)

    Thank Goodness, these new computers will never take off, we must protect these wonderful unions...heres a quote from their illustrious leader...

    In a private meeting last month Sean Hoyle, president of the RMT union that called the crippling strikes on the Southern rail network, declared the union's 'rule No 1' was to 'strive to replace the capitalist system with a socialist order'.
    A wave of strikes are set to cause unprecedented chaos in the run up to Christmas this week with more walk-outs planned on the railways, at airports and Post Offices.
    A growing number of Tory MPs are now demanding Theresa May stop future the chaos by introducing 'emergency legislation' to curb the power of unions to strike.

    Mr Hoyle told a conference hosted by the Socialist Party last month: 'Any trade unionist with any sense wants to bring down this BLUMINGXXX working-class-hating Tory government.

    'That's what we want to do. That's what we're about.' He added: 'If we all spit together we can drown the b******'.

    Edited by: "davewave" 8th Jan

    It's grim down south X)

    This one about Southern Rail strike cracked me up, these union leaders are a bunch of liars whenever they mention safety...
    [img]thesun.co.uk/wp-…jpg?strip=all&w=960[/img]

    Here is the union boss bringing strike chaos to London - sitting pretty as he is whisked to work by car.

    But the Evening Standard can reveal that Aslef general secretary Mick Whelan more regularly rides to his office on trains where drivers open and close the doors - the very system he condemns as too unsafe for long-suffering Southern passengers.

    Moreover, figures released under Freedom of Information rules show a fall in dangerous incidents since driver-only operated trains were introduced on key lines of London Overground, the network that Mr Whelan himself cheerfully uses to get about the capital.

    The disclosures cast new question marks today over Aslef’s highly controversial claim that safety fears over driver-only operated (DOO) trains are truly behind the Southern strikes that will halt services for 300,000 people next week and cause road gridlock and delays for many others.

    Even Labour cant keep unions in line...

    http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/E4BF/production/_90895585_night-tube3_getty.jpg

    davewave

    Thank Goodness, these new computers will never take off, we must protect … Thank Goodness, these new computers will never take off, we must protect these wonderful unions...heres a quote from their illustrious leader...In a private meeting last month Sean Hoyle, president of the RMT union that called the crippling strikes on the Southern rail network, declared the union's 'rule No 1' was to 'strive to replace the capitalist system with a socialist order'. A wave of strikes are set to cause unprecedented chaos in the run up to Christmas this week with more walk-outs planned on the railways, at airports and Post Offices. A growing number of Tory MPs are now demanding Theresa May stop future the chaos by introducing 'emergency legislation' to curb the power of unions to strike. Mr Hoyle told a conference hosted by the Socialist Party last month: 'Any trade unionist with any sense wants to bring down this BLUMINGXXX working-class-hating Tory government. 'That's what we want to do. That's what we're about.' He added: 'If we all spit together we can drown the b******'.



    Theres a fine balance of workers rights that unions need to get right.

    On the one hand, the strikes of the car industries of the 1970s/80s were often ridiculous (tea machines not working etc)
    but on the other hand, there does need to be protection against senior management taking advantage of labourforce. E.g stopping workers having to work all hours of the day with no overtime.

    Would be a bad move to ban industrial action, but both management and unions need to be reasonable towards one another.

    I can sort of sympathise with the drivers not wanting to be responsible for closing the doors.
    The first passenger to get trapped or injured in a door could sue Southern Trains - and they could potentially dismiss the driver or seek damages from them.
    So i understand why the drivers are not happy, it is extra risk for no extra pay.

    Job cuts on the other hand aren't really a reason for strike action in my view.
    Any company can make job cuts, not just transport services.

    118luke

    Theres a fine balance of workers rights that unions need to get right.On … Theres a fine balance of workers rights that unions need to get right.On the one hand, the strikes of the car industries of the 1970s/80s were often ridiculous (tea machines not working etc)but on the other hand, there does need to be protection against senior management taking advantage of labourforce. E.g stopping workers having to work all hours of the day with no overtime.Would be a bad move to ban industrial action, but both management and unions need to be reasonable towards one another.


    But surely we have improved .. Millions of migrant workers keeping the wages low , a million people on zero hours contracts , taking employer to a tribunal raised from £200 to over £1000, wage stagnation at the bottom for years , having to work for 2 years before you get any rights ..nowt worth complaining about there then .

    118luke

    I can sort of sympathise with the drivers not wanting to be responsible … I can sort of sympathise with the drivers not wanting to be responsible for closing the doors.The first passenger to get trapped or injured in a door could sue Southern Trains - and they could potentially dismiss the driver or seek damages from them.So i understand why the drivers are not happy, it is extra risk for no extra pay.Job cuts on the other hand aren't really a reason for strike action in my view. Any company can make job cuts, not just transport services.


    Driver doors - perhaps someone can explain why this is such a problem on existing trains with the same tech.

    plodging

    But surely we have improved .. Millions of migrant workers keeping the … But surely we have improved .. Millions of migrant workers keeping the wages low , a million people on zero hours contracts , taking employer to a tribunal raised from £200 to over £1000, wage stagnation at the bottom for years , having to work for 2 years before you get any rights ..nowt worth complaining about there then .


    Don't include the tube workers in that sad story, its the workers who travel on the trains who have had to suffer for 'safety concerns'.

    davewave

    Driver doors - perhaps someone can explain why this is such a problem on … Driver doors - perhaps someone can explain why this is such a problem on existing trains with the same tech.



    But would you be happy to accept extra risk for no extra pay?
    The other trains you mention are likely to have additional safety measures and potentially might have additional driver information to tell them the doors are clear. I've not heard southern rail mention they plan to install these or already have them in place other than "they deem it is already safe enough to do so"
    All southern rail has to do is say the driver is not responsible for any injuries or damages to passengers or belongings, and I think the situation would be different. But they want to have a scapegoat for their own protection, so they don't get sued.

    Does this mean from 6pm on Monday tube service will resume or tube stations will reopen?

    tboy2000

    Does this mean from 6pm on Monday tube service will resume or tube … Does this mean from 6pm on Monday tube service will resume or tube stations will reopen?


    nah they'll be chaos still on Monday night probably, people and trains in wrong places, staff unwilling to help the situation etc.

    118luke

    But would you be happy to accept extra risk for no extra pay? The other … But would you be happy to accept extra risk for no extra pay? The other trains you mention are likely to have additional safety measures and potentially might have additional driver information to tell them the doors are clear. I've not heard southern rail mention they plan to install these or already have them in place other than "they deem it is already safe enough to do so"All southern rail has to do is say the driver is not responsible for any injuries or damages to passengers or belongings, and I think the situation would be different. But they want to have a scapegoat for their own protection, so they don't get sued.


    wasn't there an independent study which said it was actually safe, is it that the unions just have a socialist agenda to cause chaos for Tory govt.?

    Driver Only trains declared safe, Britain’s rail safety watchdog today declared that driver-only operated trains are safe, in a dramatic intervention before next week’s planned rail strikes.

    Inspectors rode in the cab alongside drivers on Southern trains to check union claims that using cameras to monitor doors and passengers is potentially dangerous.

    Edited by: "davewave" 8th Jan

    Getting to Liverpool Street and finding no tubes last night was a good suprise...

    Nice of Sadiq " Brexit will ruin Britain" Khan to put his two penneth in . The man who wants London to have the power , separate from the rest of the U.K. , to issue visas to migrants ,to keep Londons enormous migrant population supplying cheap labour .
    His words condemning the strike is reason enough to support it on that basis alone . Odious [email protected]

    Edited by: "plodging" 8th Jan

    Well done unions. Make yourself even more popular with people just trying to go about their day, and see how that works out when all your jobs are consigned to the dustbin of history.

    Increasingly in society there seems to be one set of people who want to work hard and try and reach their ambitions, and then there's another who does nothing but moan about their lot in life but can't think of anything to do to better it than down tools.

    and the way people are treated if they turn up to work on a strike, Unions don't mind a bit of bullying then do they?

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Well done unions. Make yourself even more popular with people just trying … Well done unions. Make yourself even more popular with people just trying to go about their day, and see how that works out when all your jobs are consigned to the dustbin of history.



    Eh? Union members can't be sacked for taking industrial action provided it's an official, balloted strike.

    Or did you mean they will get rid of trains?

    How else would their jobs be consigned to the dustbin of history?

    deeky

    Eh? Union members can't be sacked for taking industrial action provided … Eh? Union members can't be sacked for taking industrial action provided it's an official, balloted strike.Or did you mean they will get rid of trains? How else would their jobs be consigned to the dustbin of history?



    ​if we can have self driving cars couldn't there be an opportunity for Tech companies to muscle in on rail transport?

    davewave

    ​if we can have self driving cars couldn't there be an opportunity for T … ​if we can have self driving cars couldn't there be an opportunity for Tech companies to muscle in on rail transport?



    Why? Because the train drivers go on strike for a few days? And if they didn't, then the tech companies won't bother trying?

    If they have any ideas about muscling in with the latest technology then they're gonna do that irrespective.



    Edited by: "deeky" 8th Jan

    plodging

    Nice of Sadiq " Brexit will ruin Britain" Khan to put his two penneth in … Nice of Sadiq " Brexit will ruin Britain" Khan to put his two penneth in . The man who wants London to have the power , separate from the rest of the U.K. , to issue visas to migrants ,to keep Londons enormous migrant population supplying cheap labour . His words condemning the strike is reason enough to support it on that basis alone . Odious [email protected]


    absolutely,companies should not be "London-centric" but base themselves all around the country,stopping the south east england greed!

    whingygit

    absolutely,companies should not be "London-centric" but base themselves … absolutely,companies should not be "London-centric" but base themselves all around the country,stopping the south east england greed!



    Because that's going to happen isn't it. X)

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Because that's going to happen isn't it. X)


    Of course it's not going to happen .. But I am pleased you southerners earn a lot and pay a lot of tax to keep us northerners in 50in 4K TVs , sky ,and beer money .. Cheers .

    I don't understand why people moan about these strikes. When it was the teachers, or Junior doctors people were all for it. So what's different here? The job title? Aren't people entitled to descent working patterns & conditions? And I'm willing to bet anything, that if the moaners had unions at their company wanting to strike for a better workplace and/or more money, the majority wouldn't say no X)

    If it disrupts your day, you only have yourself to blame. The strike has been planned long enough for people to plan accordingly.
    Edited by: "A1512" 8th Jan

    Aiden1512

    I don't understand why people moan about these strikes. When it was the … I don't understand why people moan about these strikes. When it was the teachers, or Junior doctors people were all for it. So what's different here? The job title? Aren't people entitled to descent working patterns & conditions? And I'm willing to bet anything, that if the moaners had unions at their company wanting to strike for a better workplace and/or more money, the majority wouldn't say no X)If it disrupts your day, you only have yourself to blame. The strike has been planned long enough for people to plan accordingly.


    Not going to affect my journey to work. How about you Aiden1512?

    stuarthanley

    Not going to affect my journey to work. How about you Aiden1512?



    Bit different X)

    stuarthanley

    Not going to affect my journey to work. How about you Aiden1512?



    Not in the slightest

    Aiden1512

    I don't understand why people moan about these strikes. When it was the … I don't understand why people moan about these strikes. When it was the teachers, or Junior doctors people were all for it. So what's different here? The job title? Aren't people entitled to descent working patterns & conditions? And I'm willing to bet anything, that if the moaners had unions at their company wanting to strike for a better workplace and/or more money, the majority wouldn't say no X)If it disrupts your day, you only have yourself to blame. The strike has been planned long enough for people to plan accordingly.



    I don't think many people defend teachers when they go on strike.....

    I hope this is just tomorrow as i need to go into london later this week and doesnt seem to indicate any other dates this week. Phew.

    it's always the same. People moan about Unions usually because they have no representation at their own workplace. So it's " Well if I get treated badly, everyone should have to" I ve worked in a unionised company for over 25 years, and we have had an above inflation pay rise every year. We get excellent holidays, and very good pay. My company makes good profits too, so everyone's happy. A companies biggest asset is it's workforce. Good luck to the tube workers. Whether it's safety, pay, or conditions, they have every right to withdraw their labour, and shame on anyone who gets treated badly at work, if they don't think they should.

    pinkleponkle

    I don't think many people defend teachers when they go on strike.....



    They went on strike about 6 months ago, the majority of people were supportive and there was no national outrage.
    Edited by: "A1512" 8th Jan

    Haliviel

    it's always the same. People moan about Unions usually because they have … it's always the same. People moan about Unions usually because they have no representation at their own workplace. So it's " Well if I get treated badly, everyone should have to" I ve worked in a unionised company for over 25 years, and we have had an above inflation pay rise every year. We get excellent holidays, and very good pay. My company makes good profits too, so everyone's happy. A companies biggest asset is it's workforce. Good luck to the tube workers. Whether it's safety, pay, or conditions, they have every right to withdraw their labour, and shame on anyone who gets treated badly at work, if they don't think they should.



    Neither my partner nor myself have ever been in a union. We both get payrises roughly 5-7 times the rate of inflation, she gets unlimited holiday and we both have full healthcare/dental. That's because we negotiate our individual pay packets.

    We don't threaten to withdraw our labour, instead we leverage other offers against our current employers.

    Today we have he unions shutting down the lifeblood of London for business but also for tourists at a time when London needs to appear open and easy to use.

    This strike today is ridiculous.

    The "greatest city in the uk" brought to its knees by the uneducated, lower paid workers.
    Shame that. I'm sure the rest of the UK are feeling sorry for those that work in London.

    stuarthanley

    The "greatest city in the uk" brought to its knees by the uneducated, … The "greatest city in the uk" brought to its knees by the uneducated, lower paid workers. Shame that. I'm sure the rest of the UK are feeling sorry for those that work in London.



    Bought to it's knees? Or people just get buses or taxis.

    Don't get so jubilant Stuart, London is full of resilient individuals who don't just give up and accept less because things get a bit tough.

    If they did they'd all become....well you can fill in the gap.
    Edited by: "HotEnglishAndWelshDeals" 9th Jan

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Bought to it's knees? Or people just get buses or taxis.Don't get so … Bought to it's knees? Or people just get buses or taxis.Don't get so jubilant Stuart, London is full of resilient individuals who don't just give up and accept less because things get a bit tough. ;)If they did they'd all become....well you can fill in the gap.


    Then stop crying over the strike then if it's so meaningless and get on with your own life.

    stuarthanley

    Then stop crying over the strike then if it's so meaningless and get on … Then stop crying over the strike then if it's so meaningless and get on with your own life.



    Nobody's crying. We're simply pointing out that it looks amateur to outsiders looking to invest in the U.K.

    Whatever you might think of London it drives this country's economy. It's not like your area is going to become the economic centre is it? X)

    Don't get upset about me referencing your area when you've mentioned it numerous times. Terrible to hear about the troubles facing its library service though. Is there a gofundme or just giving page set up where people can help?

    stuarthanley

    The "greatest city in the uk" brought to its knees by the uneducated, … The "greatest city in the uk" brought to its knees by the uneducated, lower paid workers...

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Bought to it's knees? Or people just get buses or taxis...



    I walked through the City streets, as usual, but I saw many overweight & sweating individuals looking frantically at their mobile telephones for inspiration about which direction to take to their destination.

    Buses & Taxis were plentiful but, due to the huge influx of other traffic today, I expect walking may well have been quicker.

    Cycling is also an option, of course.
    I saw a few people on rollerblades/skates as well.

    Some Transport for London staff were on-hand at the major tube stations directing the public with large handheld maps.

    mutley1

    I hope this is just tomorrow as i need to go into london later this week … I hope this is just tomorrow as i need to go into london later this week and doesnt seem to indicate any other dates this week. Phew.



    The Tube Strike officially concludes at 6pm, but distruption is expected for the rest of today (Monday).

    No further Tube Strikes are planned this week.

    Southern Railway, however...

    [ southernrailway.com/you…ike ]
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    Monday 9th January 2017

    Southern services continue to be disrupted as a result of industrial action by driver members of the ASLEF union.

    Services across our network may be subject to short notice delays or cancellations with no service at all on some of our routes and a reduced service on others. Please check your journey before you travel at nationalrail.co.uk and see our strike page for the latest information and advice.

    London Underground strike today

    Tube station staff who are union members are striking today. Tube services are severely reduced and the majority of stations in Zone 1 are closed. For more information please visit tfl.gov.uk/

    Southern stations and services to and from London are expected to be busier than normal.

    Driver strikes are taking place on Tuesday 10th, Wednesday 11th and Friday 13th January

    The ASLEF union have announced driver strike action for three days this week.

    During these strikes there will be no Southern service across the network. We are very sorry for the continued disruption to your journeys. For more information and alternative travel advice please visit our strike page.

    Further strike dates have also been announced by ASLEF for Tuesday 24th, Wednesday 25th and Friday 27th January.
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    You may not be affected here, though, mutley1, depending on which train operator you will use to come into the City (if not travelling by Tube for the whole journey).
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