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looking for some help/ adive on choosing a digital camera

Found 24th Jan 2009
im looking to spend about £70-100 on just a point and shoot digital camera for student nights out. ive got £30 of vouchers for argos so it might be cheaper from there and for some reason id like it to be red :). any help with this would be great

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Actually spotted this as well

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Fairs better in reviews, ]http//ww…466

Those both are red cameras, would utilise your Argos vouchers, within your price budget, out the two the Fuji is definitely the better camera (build and picture quality) so out the two I would recommend that.

Anyone else any other suggestions?

Original Poster

thanks for your help with this
just wondering your opinion on the Samsung L313

joshu;4177084

thanks for your help with thisjust wondering your opinion on the Samsung … thanks for your help with thisjust wondering your opinion on the Samsung L313



Speaking personally, in a lot of Digital Photography magazines, in general Samsung dont tend to fair well in reviews. This Argos model is actually a rebadged L310W

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One other bit of advice, a lot of people go under the rule of thumb that the higher the megapixel count, then the better the image quality is going to be, which is a wrong assumption to make.

Whilst taking images at a higher megapixel count will mean you can get larger prints with less pixellation, it doesnt guarantee you are going to get a decent picture to start with.

If you are going to be using standard 6X4 prints then really a 4 or 5MP camera would suffice..however...

Things to look out for are lens quality, the ccd quality(sensor processor in the camera) and camera build quality, image stabilisation, low light handling etc etc.

Hope this has been some help, dont want to overcrowd you full of too much advice if you just want a simple camera, but even so, everyone even if they want a simple camera wants decent pictures from it, just dont be misinformed that the megapixel count is going to help

Original Poster

i know
someone at uni told me not to get one because they had been disgruntled by their samsung camera
but couldn't tell me exactly why

the features on the samsung l313 like the 13mp and wide angle are brilliant
but im also now looking at the Panasonic FS3 not from argos though
just wondering which one you think is better


thanks in advance

I won't pretend to know alot about camera's but my lovely DH bought me a Fugi Finepix, and it's been absolutely brilliant for point and shooting. My friends always comment on how good my photo's are.

joshu;4177155

i knowsomeone at uni told me not to get one because they had been … i knowsomeone at uni told me not to get one because they had been disgruntled by there samsung camerabut couldn't tell me exactly why :)the features on the samsung l313 like the 13mp and wide angle are brilliantbut im also now looking at the Panasonic FS3 not from argos though :(just wondering which one you think is betterthanks in advance



That review is not favourable for the samsung on image quality (as said dont be fooled by megapixel count)

Without hesitation, the Lumix FS3 would be the best out of the bunch, if you want to use the Argos vouchers, the Fuji S10 is a decent camera, however the lumix range never get bad reviews on image quality, and performance.

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But I dont think they do it in red if that really is important!

joshu;4177155

i knowsomeone at uni told me not to get one because they had been … i knowsomeone at uni told me not to get one because they had been disgruntled by there samsung camerabut couldn't tell me exactly why :)the features on the samsung l313 like the 13mp and wide angle are brilliantbut im also now looking at the Panasonic FS3 not from argos though :(just wondering which one you think is betterthanks in advance



As said above megapixel count really isn't always a good thing - the higher the megapixels, generally the smaller the sensor area for each pixel, which results in greater noise and poorer low light handling. In the compact cameras the sensors are really tiny anyway, 13mp is probably too many with current sensor technology.

Unfortunately I don't really know either of the cameras in your shortlist, so can't advise there, just a warning to not consider the high mp count to necessarily be a bonus (to be honest the difference between 4000x3000 pixels (12mp) and 3000x2000 pixels (6mp) isnt actually that great anyway!) Agree with cicobuff that Lumix and Fujis always tend to be good, the former in quality terms and the latter in value for money

jah128;4177187

As said above megapixel count really isn't always a good thing - the … As said above megapixel count really isn't always a good thing - the higher the megapixels, generally the smaller the sensor area for each pixel, which results in greater noise and poorer low light handling. In the compact cameras the sensors are really tiny anyway, 13mp is probably too many with current sensor technology.Unfortunately I don't really know either of the cameras in your shortlist, so can't advise there, just a warning to not consider the high mp count to necessarily be a bonus (to be honest the difference between 4000x3000 pixels (12mp) and 3000x2000 pixels (6mp) isnt actually that great anyway!) Agree with cicobuff that Lumix and Fujis always tend to be good, the former in quality terms and the latter in value for money



Thanks for explaining the megapixel count better than I could

ding;4177203

how about this one … how about this one ]http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5590694/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7CPhotography%7C12109590/c_2/2%7Ccat_12109590%7CDigital+cameras%7C12109607.htm



Thats one of the ones have already mentioned to consider

cicobuff;4177218

Thats one of the ones have already mentioned to consider


sorry i never clicked on the link from an earlier post :oops:

ding;4177238

sorry i never clicked on the link from an earlier post :oops:



LOL....no worries, we are all trying to help!:)

Certainly if he did want the red ones from Argos, I would personally pick the Fuji over the Kodak or Samsung one he mentioned.

the wifes got a black fuji (that sounds rude), great little camera for the money

Original Poster

thanks for all your help
ive been in argos today an have been looking at the
Kodak M863
Fujifilm Finepix J10
Samsung L313
i just couldnt decide between them all
they are all red

i know the best camera is the lumix
but its not red and i dont get 30 quid of it
but i also know i shouldn't really consider either of those things

any help between those four cameras would be really helpful

many thanks

joshu;4177289

thanks for all your helpive been in argos today an have been looking at … thanks for all your helpive been in argos today an have been looking at theKodak M863Fujifilm Finepix J10Samsung L313i just couldnt decide between them allthey are all red :)i know the best camera is the lumixbut its not red and i dont get 30 quid of itbut i also know i shouldn't really consider either of those thingsany help between those four cameras would be really helpfulmany thanks



If you want a camera to learn and grow with....without hesitation get the Lumix and learn some of the manual features.

If you want a good quality point and click, then really just go for the Fuji and use up your £30 and I am sure you will be happy. Read the reviews between the Fuji and Lumix, google some more if you can and look at the menus.

Really, personally I would out of those four weigh up those two mate. If you throw colour out the equation!..then the lumix is also a safe bet in comparison to other cameras in the same price range!

cicobuff;4177311

If you want a camera to learn and grow with....without hesitation get the … If you want a camera to learn and grow with....without hesitation get the Lumix and learn some of the manual features.If you want a good quality point and click, then really just go for the Fuji and use up your £30 and I am sure you will be happy. Read the reviews between the Fuji and Lumix, google some more if you can and look at the menus.Really, personally I would out of those four weigh up those two mate. If you throw colour out the equation!..then the lumix is also a safe bet in comparison to other cameras in the same price range!



Sounds really good advice, agree with all that. I like the extra features so the Lumix would be my choice (but I'm a DSLR user now anyway...), always had good value for money from the Fujis I've had/used in the past though aswell...

jah128;4177400

Sounds really good advice, agree with all that. I like the extra … Sounds really good advice, agree with all that. I like the extra features so the Lumix would be my choice (but I'm a DSLR user now anyway...), always had good value for money from the Fujis I've had/used in the past though aswell...



Same here (beginners DSLR though Sony A200) but even so, always nice to have your compact for when firstly you dont want to lug your SLR around with you, and secondly for the odd occasion a shooting opportunity arises and you dont want to miss out.

Cheers for your own input in all this too.

cicobuff;4177423

Same here (beginners DSLR though Sony A200) but even so, always nice to … Same here (beginners DSLR though Sony A200) but even so, always nice to have your compact for when firstly you dont want to lug your SLR around with you, and secondly for the odd occasion a shooting opportunity arises and you dont want to miss out.Cheers for your own input in all this too.



A100 myself! :thumbsup:

Original Poster

the fuji doesn't have face detection
does that mater?

joshu;4177442

the fuji doesn't have face detection does that mater?



Its not a massive loss - its useful for when your doing a quick photo with lots of faces in (basically it tries to make sure they are all focussed, so rather than just focussing on the centre of the image it detects the faces and sets the depth of field so as many are focussed as possible). Might be a useful feature on a night out but not that big a deal

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I know the Lumix range gets good reviews and lots of admirers. I splashed out on a 7.1 MP one for my littlun for his 6th birthday (yeh I know!!!) Was very unimpressed with it.

Ended up buying him a cheapo Canon which is certainly a better choice.

Think the camera has had about 30 clicks... results were poor in my opinion. Zooming in and comparing the results with the missus 6.1MP Sony revealed so much more artefacts from compression, even at its highest res setting. Just left sitting in a drawer now!

joshu;4177442

the fuji doesn't have face detection does that mater?



jah128;4177456

Its not a massive loss - its useful for when your doing a quick photo … Its not a massive loss - its useful for when your doing a quick photo with lots of faces in (basically it tries to make sure they are all focussed, so rather than just focussing on the centre of the image it detects the faces and sets the depth of field so as many are focussed as possible). Might be a useful feature on a night out but not that big a deal



Yeah, if you use spot metering on a camera and get focus using that on a face, it will set the depth of field anyway.

*EDIT* Or select multi mode metering to let the camera select multiple faces!

If you can do without it being red the following in my opinion is the best value point and shoot around at the moment.
I very much doubt you'll find a better equipped POS for under £50.

argos.co.uk/sta…htm

Full specs:
fujifilm.co.uk/con…209

The casio range of cameras get overlooked too, they take corking pictures and you can get a Z80 for under £100...my wife has one, and probably the most compact zoom camera there is out there, nice build quality, good pictures, ease of use and has a youtube video mode recording in H.268 MP4 directly compatible for Youtube, corking camera for nights out...only disadvantage with it is the LCD display for live view mode is a little washed out being grainy, else its a great camera....but no red!...pink is the closest!

Recommended, if compact size is in the equation, but thats throwing another into the equation!

jah128;4177434

A100 myself! :thumbsup:



The Sony Alpha club...they are doing really well after taking over Minoltas operation, taking on the big guns Canon & Nikon

hottoshop;4177498

If you can do without it being red the following in my opinion is the … If you can do without it being red the following in my opinion is the best value point and shoot around at the moment.I very much doubt you'll find a better equipped POS for under £50.http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5592094/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7CPhotography%7C12109590/c_2/2%7Ccat_12109590%7CDigital+cameras%7C12109607.htmFull specs:http://www.fujifilm.co.uk/consumer/digital/digital-cameras/fun-and-easy/finepix-a860-131209



That camera does offer very good value for money checking out reviews, I think really it depends how much the OP wants to spend, the J10 has a metal/plastic body, whereas I believe this is all plastic, and has the bulk of having AA batteries (a boon or bind depending on whether you consider it versatility against weight and bulk...horses for courses) So difficult to recommend a camera to someone with so many options to weigh up...image quality, build quality, battery source, camera size etc etc etc.

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Not a fan of Fuji either. This ]canon represents good value.

guv;4177464

I know the Lumix range gets good reviews and lots of admirers. I splashed … I know the Lumix range gets good reviews and lots of admirers. I splashed out on a 7.1 MP one for my littlun for his 6th birthday (yeh I know!!!) Was very unimpressed with it.Ended up buying him a cheapo Canon which is certainly a better choice.Think the camera has had about 30 clicks... results were poor in my opinion. Zooming in and comparing the results with the missus 6.1MP Sony revealed so much more artefacts from compression, even at its highest res setting. Just left sitting in a drawer now!



Are you sure it was compression artifacts? Personally I think Lumix cameras are extremely good (picked up an LX3 just before Christmas, also have the LX2 and L1) and definitely my first choice for a compact in most cases however you have to watch their auto iso control as it tends to push the sensitivity up way too quickly when it's not needed and it's well beyond what the camera can handle 'comfortably'.

I find their wide angle lenses (very useful feature) to be extremely good which is bolstered by the in camera correction, their auto results are normally very good and the cameras are well built. I've only seen one of their cheaper cameras which I think is an LS2 bought for about 65 quid brand new but I was quite surprised by it, although it feels a bit cheap with a plastic housing and low resolution the 5x stabilised zoom was light years ahead of anything else in that price range and it's produced good shots.

John

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Johnmcl7;4177576

Are you sure it was compression artifacts? Personally I think Lumix … Are you sure it was compression artifacts? Personally I think Lumix cameras are extremely good (picked up an LX3 just before Christmas, also have the LX2 and L1) and definitely my first choice for a compact in most cases however you have to watch their auto iso control as it tends to push the sensitivity up way too quickly when it's not needed and it's well beyond what the camera can handle 'comfortably'.



Yeh, I'm pretty sure thats what it was. Not a case of grainy images because of a high ISO. (The Camera was bought in Florida. Used for test photos after buying on day one and not used since.)

Just dug it out (couldnt even remember the model) but its a Lumix DMC-LS70. LOL - just noticed - the cables for it are still unopened!


Edit. Heres a review from ]Steves Digicams. Says its good - but its not how I found it!

Original Poster

ive found the lumix fs3 on-line for about 85 delivered
just wondering if this is a good price
or can it be beaten

thanks

It may be worth double checking the settings as the reviews for the camera are reasonable and the sample shots I've seen for it good - there are noise artifacts even at base ISO but this is actually better to have than aggressive noise reduction which takes out detail as well as the noise.

John

joshu;4177627

ive found the lumix fs3 on-line for about 85 delivered just wondering if … ive found the lumix fs3 on-line for about 85 delivered just wondering if this is a good priceor can it be beatenthanks



Providing you go through Amazon (not the marketplace seller) they have it for £86.70 in black, Amazon have good customer returns, cant comment how good Panasonic are with warranties though...anyone? Owning both Sony compact & DSLR I couldnt comment.

*EDIT* Or go through Jessops online, reserve to collect instore, using coupon code NEWSL5 for 5% off total price £85.44

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Johnmcl7;4177651

It may be worth double checking the settings as the reviews for the … It may be worth double checking the settings as the reviews for the camera are reasonable and the sample shots I've seen for it good - there are noise artifacts even at base ISO but this is actually better to have than aggressive noise reduction which takes out detail as well as the noise.John



OK, just dug it out! (The camera was in my camera bag in a case - not in the box)

LOL.... The images on it were as I'd said, on the day I bought it. So new - there were actually in the car park from the shop I bought it!

I'll see if I get the chance to take and upload a couple of pictures. (It should also accurately tell me how many shots its taken!)

Original Poster

thanks for all your help
i think im gonna go for the lumix and pick it up from a jessops store like you suggested cicobuff
it seems the best camera in its range
just hope i don't find it cheaper somewhere else
85 quid seems about right for a decent point and shoot i think?

It's entirely up to you whether you use the camera or not (seems a waste admittedly) although I think you're a bit harsh condemning the entire Lumix range based on a single buget Panasonic which doesn't like has had much use and produces shots as good as (or better with the IS) than others in its group. I do find IS makes a large difference in poor light, Panasonic used to be the only ones that offered it across most of their models although more budget cameras have it now.

John

joshu;4177756

thanks for all your helpi think im gonna go for the lumix and pick it up … thanks for all your helpi think im gonna go for the lumix and pick it up from a jessops store like you suggested cicobuffit seems the best camera in its rangejust hope i don't find it cheaper somewhere else85 quid seems about right for a decent point and shoot i think?



Yes definitely, I think there has been enough informed advice in here for you!....I cant see you getting that camera cheaper anywhere else, and Jessops who can be overpriced at times have it for a good price (camera is surprisingly £120 at Play.com) with that £5 off and the ability to order and collect at store other than pay for it for you all other avenues have been explored :-D

Johnmcl7 in here is the guy to ask though, I am sure he knows his cameras up in the Highlands and a keen photo hobbyist. He recommends the Lumix, in your price range so do I, I have found what I think is the best price...hell you owe us all a pint

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Johnmcl7;4177774

It's entirely up to you whether you use the camera or not (seems a waste … It's entirely up to you whether you use the camera or not (seems a waste admittedly) although I think you're a bit harsh condemning the entire Lumix range based on a single buget Panasonic which doesn't like has had much use and produces shots as good as (or better with the IS) than others in its group. I do find IS makes a large difference in poor light, Panasonic used to be the only ones that offered it across most of their models although more budget cameras have it now.



Completely agree it was a waste (How can I not!)

It wasn't so much condemning them, just speaking from personal experience from owning one. (That was what I said and did say I knew they had lots of admirers!) It may well have been the case the sensors weren't up to the standard they should be. But after viewing photos taken in good light conditions, I was very disappointed and when compared to a cheaper, less MP Sony, the same pictures were no way near as sharp once you started to zoom in within photoshop. To be honest, it was the IS that pushed me to buy this over the others on offer at the time. Can't say I noticed any difference if it was on or off.

To be fair, I wished I had taken it back and got it changed. But the shop was a good hours drive and we had too many theme parks to visit! My fault really.
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