Looks like Brexit studies will have to be published

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Found 1st Nov 2017
Pressure on ministers over Brexit papers

Genuine question for anyone that voted leave and is against publishing these - Why are you against it?

Surely with all the talk about Brexit being great and the EU needing us more than we need them would just mean that these studies into the effects of Brexit would be great news and help our cause by showing how little it's going to impact us when compared to the EU?


I can't get my head around all the BBC comments stating that Brexit is the best thing to happen ever and that the EU will suffer, yet they're deathly against these studies being published.
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The Referendum was a vote on whether we should remain or leave the EU.

It was not a vote on whether we would be better or worse off monetary by remaining or leaving.

The ones who prepared these reports are the same people who said we should join the euro, the same people who sat back and watched the collapse of the European exchange rate mechanism in 1992 on Black Wednesday.

Most of of those who voted to Leave did not do so on the basis of finance, they did so for reasons of sovereignty, communities, laws and endless other factors.

Are you hoping they will say we will be 3% worse off, so Brexit is therefore cancelled?

You would see rioting of the kind never witnessed before in the UK
It's not looking good - Yeah but nobody knows.

Thousands of job loses - Yeah but nobody knows.

Pound devalued - Yeah but nobody knows.

Investments drying up - Yeah but nobody knows.

Poundlands getting more popular - Yeah but nobody knows.

Queuing up at foodbanks - Yeah but nobody knows.

Grahams getting more rabid - Yeah but nobody knows.
I voted to leave. Simply just want our sovereignty and laws back mainly. I'm not a high earner but I'm happy to have a bit less money each month if it means getting out.
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"I want our sovereignty back"

Please tell me what that means and how it will directly change your life.
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The Referendum was a vote on whether we should remain or leave the EU.

It was not a vote on whether we would be better or worse off monetary by remaining or leaving.

The ones who prepared these reports are the same people who said we should join the euro, the same people who sat back and watched the collapse of the European exchange rate mechanism in 1992 on Black Wednesday.

Most of of those who voted to Leave did not do so on the basis of finance, they did so for reasons of sovereignty, communities, laws and endless other factors.

Are you hoping they will say we will be 3% worse off, so Brexit is therefore cancelled?

You would see rioting of the kind never witnessed before in the UK
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I can't get my head around all the BBC comments stating that Brexit is the best thing to happen ever and that the EU will suffer, yet they're deathly against these studies being published.


The BBC receives millions from the EU to promote the socialist message, I voted leave and quite frankly couldn't care what they say, WE'RE LEAVING end of, this simply will cost hundreds of thousands children ion the cancer wards could have had spent on them BUT NO the crying left can't have democracy.




ON BETTER NEWS


£350 million from spent on the EU is actaully £363,000,000, so now we have even more for the NHS, schools, social care, we might even be able to afford to get rid of the tampon tax, don't want you ladies having the luxury tax applied to sanitary products.


thesun.co.uk/new…al/

Read it and weep snowflakes!
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Dilithium4 m ago

The Referendum was a vote on whether we should remain or leave the EU.It …The Referendum was a vote on whether we should remain or leave the EU.It was not a vote on whether we would be better or worse off monetary by remaining or leaving.The ones who prepared these reports are the same people who said we should join the euro, the same people who sat back and watched the collapse of the European exchange rate mechanism in 1992 on Black Wednesday. Most of of those who voted to Leave did not do so on the basis of finance, they did so for reasons of sovereignty, communities, laws and endless other factors.Are you hoping they will say we will be 3% worse off, so Brexit is therefore cancelled?You would see rioting of the kind never witnessed before in the UK


Most of that stuff we had allowances and control over anyway.

I'm not arguing that we shouldn't go through with it (I voted remain and would welcome scrapping it), I've got a decent pension and I get paid above average so I doubt I'll be impacted that much.

What I worry about is all the people that have voted leave because they genuinely think they'll be better off, yet they most likely will be significantly worse off.

Why should we not know how worse off we're projected to be so we can plan for it?

I really don't think that rioting would be that bad, you seem to forget that it was near 50/50 split with many eligible voters not bothering to turn up.
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Graham19798 m ago

I can't get my head around all the BBC comments stating that Brexit is the …I can't get my head around all the BBC comments stating that Brexit is the best thing to happen ever and that the EU will suffer, yet they're deathly against these studies being published.The BBC receives millions from the EU to promote the socialist message, I voted leave and quite frankly couldn't care what they say, WE'RE LEAVING end of, this simply will cost hundreds of thousands children ion the cancer wards could have had spent on them BUT NO the crying left can't have democracy.ON BETTER NEWS£350 million from spent on the EU is actaully £363,000,000, so now we have even more for the NHS, schools, social care, we might even be able to afford to get rid of the tampon tax, don't want you ladies having the luxury tax applied to sanitary products.https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4817851/boris-johnson-was-wrong-to-say-we-face-eu-bill-of-350m-a-week-because-its-actually-363m-official-figures-reveal/Read it and weep snowflakes!


The comments on the BBC are not from the BBC, they're anon posters.



I think your numbers are a little off?
We're not getting that money for the NHS, it's already been widely stated that we won't have that money to go towards the NHS, literally within hours of the vote results being published that was stated.
Don't get your hopes up.


dw.com/en/…832


Graham, you are the biggest snowflake on this site by far. I've got no idea why you keep calling people that? Trying to cover for your own insecurities?
Edited by: "teh.arn" 1st Nov 2017
teh.arn8 m ago

Most of that stuff we had allowances and control over anyway.I'm not …Most of that stuff we had allowances and control over anyway.I'm not arguing that we shouldn't go through with it (I voted remain and would welcome scrapping it), I've got a decent pension and I get paid above average so I doubt I'll be impacted that much.What I worry about is all the people that have voted leave because they genuinely think they'll be better off, yet they most likely will be significantly worse off.Why should we not know how worse off we're projected to be so we can plan for it?I really don't think that rioting would be that bad, you seem to forget that it was near 50/50 split with many eligible voters not bothering to turn up.


You're very deluded to put things politely, so much straw clutching.
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.MUFC.2 m ago

You're very deluded to put things politely, so much straw clutching.


In what way?
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teh.arn8 m ago

The comments on the BBC are not from the BBC, they're anon posters.I think …The comments on the BBC are not from the BBC, they're anon posters.I think your numbers are a little off?We're not getting that money for the NHS, it's already been widely stated that we won't have that money to go towards the NHS, literally within hours of the vote results being published that was stated.Don't get your hopes up.http://www.dw.com/en/uk-contributions-to-eu-half-the-amount-claimed-by-pro-brexit-camp/a-41188832Graham, you are the biggest snowflake on this site by far. I've got no idea why you keep calling people that? Trying to cover for your own insecurities?


What you think that's not BBC staff posting them? Pfft this corporation is corrupt to its dirty child molesting heart. Anything it can do to keep the EU funds rolling in and it will do it.

The snowflakes are those we see waving EU flags in London protests, running round in tears that the majority have spoken and its a different voice to them. The snowflakes are so dependent on the socialist ideals of the EU that they want referendum after referendum till they get their own way. They can't comprehend people having a voice. The only thing that would have left me insecure would have been to remain in the EU, who knows the unelected dictators might have introduced a tax on people called Graham1979, or imposed new laws about the size of door knockers.
teh.arn5 m ago

In what way?


In the same way that a majority of other romoaners are clutching at straws in the hope they can overturn Brexit etc. You believe in the great EU dictatorship.
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Graham19794 m ago

What you think that's not BBC staff posting them? Pfft this corporation is …What you think that's not BBC staff posting them? Pfft this corporation is corrupt to its dirty child molesting heart. Anything it can do to keep the EU funds rolling in and it will do it.The snowflakes are those we see waving EU flags in London protests, running round in tears that the majority have spoken and its a different voice to them. The snowflakes are so dependent on the socialist ideals of the EU that they want referendum after referendum till they get their own way. They can't comprehend people having a voice. The only thing that would have left me insecure would have been to remain in the EU, who knows the unelected dictators might have introduced a tax on people called Graham1979, or imposed new laws about the size of door knockers.


Let me get this right, you think that the people posting all the Anti EU and Pro Brexit bits on their comment section are in fact people that work for the BBC?

Would you welcome the release of these studies?
Dilithium22 m ago

The Referendum was a vote on whether we should remain or leave the EU.It …The Referendum was a vote on whether we should remain or leave the EU.It was not a vote on whether we would be better or worse off monetary by remaining or leaving.The ones who prepared these reports are the same people who said we should join the euro, the same people who sat back and watched the collapse of the European exchange rate mechanism in 1992 on Black Wednesday. Most of of those who voted to Leave did not do so on the basis of finance, they did so for reasons of sovereignty, communities, laws and endless other factors.Are you hoping they will say we will be 3% worse off, so Brexit is therefore cancelled?You would see rioting of the kind never witnessed before in the UK


They are the same people are they, do you know them individually by name?
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.MUFC.2 m ago

In the same way that a majority of other romoaners are clutching at straws …In the same way that a majority of other romoaners are clutching at straws in the hope they can overturn Brexit etc. You believe in the great EU dictatorship.


I think you missed the first comment where I stated that I wasn't arguing to change the result and I'd be largely unaffected by it, I've got an above average wage and a great pension.

What I'm interested in is the argument Pro Brexit supports are putting forward in relation to publishing these studies.

What are you thoughts on it?
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MSK.10 m ago

They are the same people are they, do you know them individually by name?


No but if you would care to submit an FOI and see what comes back! These people are so dependent on the teat of socialism they will lie, cheat and mislead to trick others. Watch BBC Question time, amazingly a majority of left wing anti-Brexit views when the majority of the voting poplulation voted for the powers of law, border and taxation to be returned to the democratically elected representatives of this fine nation (those that can keep their hands from up women's skirts anyway)
teh.arn9 m ago

I think you missed the first comment where I stated that I wasn't arguing …I think you missed the first comment where I stated that I wasn't arguing to change the result and I'd be largely unaffected by it, I've got an above average wage and a great pension.What I'm interested in is the argument Pro Brexit supports are putting forward in relation to publishing these studies.What are you thoughts on it?


It's all getting very rhetorical, the Brexit threads had started to dry up a bit but a few have appeared this last week or so. I noticed the fellow Brexit troll has been active today and now this. If it doesn't impact you much then what's the problem?. Not all doom and gloom you should embrace Brexit. Funny that the other Brexit troll is so passionate about it yet claims they won't be impacted by it lol. Funny that and a coincidence that the same users seem to pop up around the same time all with the same agenda.
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Graham19791 m ago

No but if you would care to submit an FOI and see what comes back! These …No but if you would care to submit an FOI and see what comes back! These people are so dependent on the teat of socialism they will lie, cheat and mislead to trick others. Watch BBC Question time, amazingly a majority of left wing anti-Brexit views when the majority of the voting poplulation voted for the powers of law, border and taxation to be returned to the democratically elected representatives of this fine nation (those that can keep their hands from up women's skirts anyway)


You seem to think that it was a huge majority.
You know it was pretty close to being 50/50 (of the people that voted) right?
Would you be for or against these studies being published?
Edited by: "teh.arn" 1st Nov 2017
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.MUFC.3 m ago

It's all getting very rhetorical, the Brexit threads had started to dry up …It's all getting very rhetorical, the Brexit threads had started to dry up a bit but a few have appeared this last week or so. I noticed the fellow Brexit troll has been active today and now this. If it doesn't impact you much then what's the problem?. Not all doom and gloom you should embrace Brexit. Funny that the other Brexit troll is so passionate about it yet claims they won't be impacted by it lol. Funny that and a coincidence that the same users seem to pop up around the same time all with the same agenda.


I'm just interested to see the rationale behind being against publishing them because they think it will weaken out hand.


Are you for or against them being published?

Who is the other Brexit poster?
I haven't been that active on here since the last HUKD clearout. Got a bit bored.
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jax61951 s ago

Why waste anymore money? Let's just get out.


Get out with no agreements etc in place or get these studies out?
Edited by: "teh.arn" 1st Nov 2017
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jax6191 m ago

What point are the studies?


To gague the impact of Brexit on goods, either increases or decreases in price (Food etc)
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jax6194 m ago

What will be will be.


You don't care if the price of goods starts to rise?
teh.arn20 m ago

I'm just interested to see the rationale behind being against publishing …I'm just interested to see the rationale behind being against publishing them because they think it will weaken out hand.Are you for or against them being published?Who is the other Brexit poster? I haven't been that active on here since the last HUKD clearout. Got a bit bored.


Publish what they like, Studies are meaningless when they don't know what the future after Brexit will be like because nobody knows. It might weaken our hand negotiating. Sadly the way it's all panning out is ridiculous, should have just triggered article 50 the day after the referendum and got on with it.
teh.arn28 m ago

You seem to think that it was a huge majority.You know it was pretty close …You seem to think that it was a huge majority.You know it was pretty close to being 50/50 (of the people that voted) right?Would you be for or against these studies being published?


Still arguing the toss over the fact that 52% is more than 48%?. All those that didn't vote were all obviously going to vote remain. Sure they were. Anyone of voting age who were too lazy to go and vote ( Certain exceptions ) don't deserve to moan about the outcome of it. It was a simple vote to leave or remain.
Graham197939 m ago

No but if you would care to submit an FOI and see what comes back! These …No but if you would care to submit an FOI and see what comes back! These people are so dependent on the teat of socialism they will lie, cheat and mislead to trick others. Watch BBC Question time, amazingly a majority of left wing anti-Brexit views when the majority of the voting poplulation voted for the powers of law, border and taxation to be returned to the democratically elected representatives of this fine nation (those that can keep their hands from up women's skirts anyway)


You know I don't watch the BBC so can't watch question time. I thought we were in the same boat on that at least?
I don't think (n the voice of the late Cilla Black) our Graham frequents the BBC website, more importantly the HYS comments, and that is why his comments seem a little confusing

@Graham1979 - HYS comments on BREXIT are generally in favour of BREXIT because they know the Biased Broadcasting Corruption will always publish negative news about BREXIT and that's why we have a good following/support for Pro-BREXIT

HTH

As for any reports - they will be all speculative - nobody knows how this country will be financially on day 1 after BREXIT and for a year or so after. Why because the negotiations have not yet been completed so we don't know yet how much Junker gets in his backhander and how much the EU want

If it was down to me to chose I'd go with - this is what I'm offering, this is what I want and if you cannot meet those then we'll leave in 2019 with WTO rules.
MSK.5 m ago

You know I don't watch the BBC so can't watch question time. I thought we …You know I don't watch the BBC so can't watch question time. I thought we were in the same boat on that at least?


Question Time is available (generally) a few hours after broadcasting on Youtube - there you don't need a licence to watch it
.MUFC.22 m ago

Publish what they like, Studies are meaningless when they don't know what …Publish what they like, Studies are meaningless when they don't know what the future after Brexit will be like because nobody knows. It might weaken our hand negotiating. Sadly the way it's all panning out is ridiculous, should have just triggered article 50 the day after the referendum and got on with it.


Apologises - didn't read your comment until after posting mine ^^up there^^
philphil611 m ago

Apologises - didn't read your comment until after posting mine ^^up there^^


No need ;).
It's not looking good - Yeah but nobody knows.

Thousands of job loses - Yeah but nobody knows.

Pound devalued - Yeah but nobody knows.

Investments drying up - Yeah but nobody knows.

Poundlands getting more popular - Yeah but nobody knows.

Queuing up at foodbanks - Yeah but nobody knows.

Grahams getting more rabid - Yeah but nobody knows.
Graham19793 h, 38 m ago

I can't get my head around all the BBC comments stating that Brexit is the …I can't get my head around all the BBC comments stating that Brexit is the best thing to happen ever and that the EU will suffer, yet they're deathly against these studies being published.The BBC receives millions from the EU to promote the socialist message, I voted leave and quite frankly couldn't care what they say, WE'RE LEAVING end of, this simply will cost hundreds of thousands children ion the cancer wards could have had spent on them BUT NO the crying left can't have democracy.ON BETTER NEWS£350 million from spent on the EU is actaully £363,000,000, so now we have even more for the NHS, schools, social care, we might even be able to afford to get rid of the tampon tax, don't want you ladies having the luxury tax applied to sanitary products.https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4817851/boris-johnson-was-wrong-to-say-we-face-eu-bill-of-350m-a-week-because-its-actually-363m-official-figures-reveal/Read it and weep snowflakes!

A referendum is not democracy, it's a referendum.
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Segata-Sanshiro1 h, 19 m ago

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Didn’t both remainers and leavers vote in the Brexit Referendum?
I voted to leave. Simply just want our sovereignty and laws back mainly. I'm not a high earner but I'm happy to have a bit less money each month if it means getting out.
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"I want our sovereignty back"

Please tell me what that means and how it will directly change your life.
Dilithium10 h, 0 m ago

The Referendum was a vote on whether we should remain or leave the EU.It …The Referendum was a vote on whether we should remain or leave the EU.It was not a vote on whether we would be better or worse off monetary by remaining or leaving.



Exactly. Brexiters don't care about their personal finances or the economy.

They don't care about being able to provide the best life for their children. They don't care about having high taxes to pay for education or having enough doctors or nurses to treat them.

They don't care about having jobs either for themselves or for their children.

What Brexiters care about are intangible things like 'control', not actual things that impact their lives.

They'll dismiss these reports like they dismiss advice from experts in other areas. They'll treat them like they treat their kids homework - unimportant and to be ignored.
It seems like remoaners want to beat every Brexiteer with the economy stick, we don't care!

We know any remoaners who actually feel different will walk out of the country before we leave but we doubt there will be many!
Segata-Sanshiro3 h, 21 m ago

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I would say the Remainers are the ones with their heads stuck in the sand.
groenleader24 m ago

It seems like remoaners want to beat every Brexiteer with the economy …It seems like remoaners want to beat every Brexiteer with the economy stick, we don't care! We know any remoaners who actually feel different will walk out of the country before we leave but we doubt there will be many!



The same amount of people will leave the UK because of brexit as left the UK because we were in the EU.
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.MUFC.10 h, 9 m ago

Still arguing the toss over the fact that 52% is more than 48%?. All those …Still arguing the toss over the fact that 52% is more than 48%?. All those that didn't vote were all obviously going to vote remain. Sure they were. Anyone of voting age who were too lazy to go and vote ( Certain exceptions ) don't deserve to moan about the outcome of it. It was a simple vote to leave or remain.



I haven't argued that at all.
When you go around speaking like it was some kind of 80-20 resounding win it makes you seem a bit dim.

The reality is that it was incredibly close, if you were to try and say that there would be widespread riots it would be laughable.
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DT892nd Nov 2017

"I want our sovereignty back"Please tell me what that means and how it …"I want our sovereignty back"Please tell me what that means and how it will directly change your life.



I suspect you wont get an answer to that,
Would you release the studies?
While those who voted Leave are described as uncaring, it does seem to me that Remoaners don’t understand democracy.
Much of what is written by Remoaners is regurgitated soundbites, prognostications and gloom and doom nonsense. I’m sure we will hear and read much more of this kind of negativity before we leave the control of the EU
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groenleader48 m ago

It seems like remoaners want to beat every Brexiteer with the economy …It seems like remoaners want to beat every Brexiteer with the economy stick, we don't care! We know any remoaners who actually feel different will walk out of the country before we leave but we doubt there will be many!



Why would you not care about the economy?
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