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    Lottery syndicates.....how can you increase the return on outlay.

    Does anyone have any good pointers to schemes that help large syndicates have a greater chance of winning something on the lottery.

    I am sure there is a way putting your numbers on so that if you get say 3 numbers you win could win more than just randomly selected numbers.

    it goes along the lines of picking say 10 numbers and using combinations of these across all of you lines instead of just randoml;y picked numbers.

    I don't think this applies to winning the jackpot but I am sure there is a way you can increase your winnings on a smaller scale.

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    Original Poster

    inb4 the 'you have no chance' or 'there isn't such a scheme you dufus ' brigade.

    If you are not interested don't bother replying.

    greg_68;7793518

    inb4 the 'you have no chance' or 'there isn't such a scheme you dufus ' … inb4 the 'you have no chance' or 'there isn't such a scheme you dufus ' brigade.If you are not interested don't bother replying.



    There are systems, but it means presenting a wide spred of numbers to ensure you hit some sort of winnings.

    I did read more on this somewhere and will try to find it and post it for you

    Can't be done.
    Unless of course your syndicat has enough people to cover every single possible combination of numbers, in which case you know way too many people !!!

    Original Poster

    nwressell;7793655

    There are systems, but it means presenting a wide spred of numbers to … There are systems, but it means presenting a wide spred of numbers to ensure you hit some sort of winnings.I did read more on this somewhere and will try to find it and post it for you



    Thank you, I thought you picked a small set of numbers though and spread combinations across many lines.

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    Babbabooey;7793658

    Can't be done.Unless of course your syndicat has enough people to cover … Can't be done.Unless of course your syndicat has enough people to cover every single possible combination of numbers, in which case you know way too many people !!!



    The scheme doesn't increase your chances of winning the jackpot, if you get say 4 numbers right then because of the way you have spread your numbers you will end up with a high number of lines with 3 of those number too.

    Babbabooey;7793658

    Can't be done.Unless of course your syndicat has enough people to cover … Can't be done.Unless of course your syndicat has enough people to cover every single possible combination of numbers, in which case you know way too many people !!!



    Yeap, increase the amount in your syndicate and it'll increase your chances of winning! :thumbsup:

    greg_68;7793674

    The scheme doesn't increase your chances of winning the jackpot, if you … The scheme doesn't increase your chances of winning the jackpot, if you get say 4 numbers right then because of the way you have spread your numbers you will end up with countless line of 3 number winners too.



    Yeah but your way only works if you happen to pick the right selection of numbers, and therein lies the problem. Obviously because you are spreading across the same group of numbers then if they happen to come up then you will win quite a few times. But chances are they won't come up.

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    Babbabooey;7793703

    Yeah but your way only works if you happen to pick the right selection of … Yeah but your way only works if you happen to pick the right selection of numbers, and therein lies the problem. Obviously because you are spreading across the same group of numbers then if they happen to come up then you will win quite a few times. But chances are they won't come up.



    Of course it only works if you pick the right numbers. What I am saying though it that if you pick 100 lines of random numbers against say 8 numbers acroos 100 liines i am sure it has been proven that you will win more if you get say 5 numbers right becuase you will end up with multiple lines of 4 and 3 winning lines too. If you get 5 right on the random lines you are not guarenteed of any other winners.

    I can see why people think this is a barmy idea but I am sure it has been proven as the way to run syndicates correctly, hopefully someone will prove me right.

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    Carley;7793762

    as my post above /\ worked for me once many moons ago when the lottery … as my post above /\ worked for me once many moons ago when the lottery had just started, 3 of us we won two lines of 4 and a few tenners, paid out just over £100 each.




    Yes Carley your reply is along the lines I was thinking, how about if I had say 100 or 200 lines I am looking for a site that advises on how many numbers and lines to have.

    buy more tickets..

    Original Poster

    numptyj;7793790

    bye more tickets..:p



    That's what I'll be saying to my money.

    greg_68;7793819

    That's what I'll be saying to my money.



    oh crap LOL epic spelling mistake

    greg_68;7793751

    Of course it only works if you pick the right numbers. What I am saying … Of course it only works if you pick the right numbers. What I am saying though it that if you pick 100 lines of random numbers against say 8 numbers acroos 100 liines i am sure it has been proven that you will win more if you get say 5 numbers right becuase you will end up with multiple lines of 4 and 3 winning lines too. If you get 5 right on the random lines you are not guarenteed of any other winners.I can see why people think this is a barmy idea but I am sure it has been proven as the way to run syndicates correctly, hopefully someone will prove me right.



    I fail to see your point - of course you would win more if your numbers come up if you stick to 8 numbers across 100 lines rather than 100 random lines of many numbers, because as you say you will get mulitple winners.

    That doesn't increase your chances of winning though, it just increases the amount you will win if the numbers come up. In fact, it reduces your chances of winning as you are only going to choose 8 numbers instead of ranging them over the full 50, so therefore ignoring the other 42.

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    Babbabooey;7793849

    I fail to see your point - of course you would win more if your numbers … I fail to see your point - of course you would win more if your numbers come up if you stick to 8 numbers across 100 lines rather than 100 random lines of many numbers, because as you say you will get mulitple winners.That doesn't increase your chances of winning though, it just increases the amount you will win if the numbers come up. In fact, it reduces your chances of winning as you are only going to choose 8 numbers instead of ranging them over the full 50, so therefore ignoring the other 42.



    Agreed as I stated earlier it doesn't increase your chances of winning, just the amount you win if you do hit the right numbers.

    One thing you can do is increase the chances of a larger payout if you do win the big prizes.

    A lot of people use birth dates so if a lot of numbers between 1 and 31 come up there are more likely to be a lot of people splitting the prizes. The other popular picks are simple sequences of numbers like 1 2 3 4 5 6 or 7 14 21 28 35 42 - again if those come up you are going to be sharing prize money with a lot of other people.

    By having 1 or 2 numbers under 32 and the rest higher, with 2 or 3 of the remaining numbers close together you are more likely to have a unique combination if the numbers do go your way and then you are less likely to have to share out.

    Banned

    I don't normally throw my money at the lottery.

    I might give the euro a whirl this week though.

    Carley;7793913

    each line has a different combination of numbers, ok so there are common … each line has a different combination of numbers, ok so there are common numbers but as each number has the same statistical chance of being drawn then the chance of winning does not decrease just because you have 5 similar numbers in each line.



    If you only win if numbers 1 to 10 come up (for example), then you have a 1 in 49 chance for any of your numbers to come up for each of the 6 times a ball is drawn.

    But, you have a 0 in 49 chance of winning if any number over 10 comes up for each of the 6 times a ball is drawn.

    DLM;7793945

    I don't normally throw my money at the lottery.I might give the euro a … I don't normally throw my money at the lottery.I might give the euro a whirl this week though.



    £113,000,000 estimated jackpot - not bad even if you had to split it with a couple of other people! :w00t:

    Banned

    Spod;7793980

    £113,000,000 estimated jackpot - not bad even if you had to split it with … £113,000,000 estimated jackpot - not bad even if you had to split it with a couple of other people! :w00t:



    That will do :thumbsup:

    Original Poster

    Babbabooey;7793971

    If you only win if numbers 1 to 10 come up (for example), then you have a … If you only win if numbers 1 to 10 come up (for example), then you have a 1 in 49 chance for any of your numbers to come up for each of the 6 times a ball is drawn.But, you have a 0 in 49 chance of winning if any number over 10 comes up for each of the 6 times a ball is drawn.



    You are right but if I get 5 out of the 10 I have chosen I am going to win a lot more than just 1 line of 5 from a random set.

    Surely you'd increase your winnings if you picked the right numbers but decrease your change of getting a win at all.

    ie if I pick

    1,2,3,4,5,6.

    7,8,9,12,11,12

    etc all the way to 44,45,46,47,48,49 or whatever, then I'd be more likely to get a win.

    If I wanted a bigger win but with less chance I'd pick

    1,2,3,4,5,6 (7 times).



    In other words, spread your numbers for more chance of a win, keep them tight for a bigger win if you get one (albeit you'd have had less chance of getting that win).

    Probably averages out at the same.

    Benjimoron;7794015

    Surely you'd increase your winnings if you picked the right numbers but … Surely you'd increase your winnings if you picked the right numbers but decrease your change of getting a win at all.ie if I pick 1,2,3,4,5,6.7,8,9,12,11,12etc all the way to 44,45,46,47,48,49 or whatever, then I'd be more likely to get a win.If I wanted a bigger win but with less chance I'd pick 1,2,3,4,5,6 (7 times).



    That's true - you are better off with more numbers used less frequently on multiple lines.

    Spod;7794059

    That's true - you are better off with more numbers used less frequently … That's true - you are better off with more numbers used less frequently on multiple lines.



    I think it probably averages out.

    So not necessarily better off but more likely to get a win.

    Benjimoron;7794082

    I think it probably averages out. So not necessarily better off but more … I think it probably averages out. So not necessarily better off but more likely to get a win.



    No, it doesn't. Actually it increases the chance of getting a big win - in your example you had 7 chances of getting a big win vs. 1 chance of having 7 winning tickets for one big win.

    If you are the only winner of the top prize with 7 winning lines the same, you actually don't win any more than if you had only 1 winning line. Even if there were other people with the same numbers, you could not win 7 times as much - you would only get 7 shares of the total number of winning lines, so if 1 other person has one winning line, you get 7/8 of the payout instead of 1/2.

    Spod;7794273

    No, it doesn't. Actually it increases the chance of getting a big win - … No, it doesn't. Actually it increases the chance of getting a big win - in your example you had 7 chances of getting a big win vs. 1 chance of having 7 winning tickets for one big win. If you are the only winner of the top prize with 7 winning lines the same, you actually don't win any more than if you had only 1 winning line. Even if there were other people with the same numbers, you could not win 7 times as much - you would only get 7 shares of the total number of winning lines, so if 1 other person has one winning line, you get 7/8 of the payout instead of 1/2.



    Yeah, so in the rare occurance of getting all 6 numbers you'd actually be worse off.

    But the OP is talking about similar numbers, I just used the same numbers to illustrate the point.

    Either way, you're not gonna much better off with either solution. There isn't a way to cheat the odds on the lottery! (unless you organised all your friends to buy tickets that ate up every combo, anyone know how many friends you'd need assuming each one bought 100 tickets?

    Original Poster

    I hate google, it's just told me I have more chance of dying within the next hour than winning the lottery.

    Roll on 4:15

    Carley;7794510

    14 million to one chance = 140,000 friends buying 100 tickets each.



    Which is never gonna happen.

    There is no fast way to win the lottery unless you know how to fix it lol. Syndicates only increase your chance of hitting a win, but the payout is smaller if you did win.

    Even choosing a small selection of numbers and then picking lines by dropping one or two doesnt guarantee a win at all. You may never win doing this and waste a shed load of money trying.

    Just pick some numbers at random and fingers crossed there is nothing else you can do.

    Carley;7795519

    If you are going to pick 7 lines then you might as well pick 7 lines of … If you are going to pick 7 lines then you might as well pick 7 lines of similar numbers instead of 7 lines of totally random numbers, same chance of winning but a better payout if you do happen to win.



    Less chance of winning, if you only pick numbers between 1 and 10 rather than numbers between 1 and 49 you're giving yourself less chances to win. The more numbers you repeat, the greater your win (if you win) but the less chance you have of winning.

    Original Poster

    I am going to write a programme tonight to test my theory.

    Banned

    I confused the people in my work syndicate when I chose 1,2,3,4,5,6 as my lottery numbers. They just didn't get it.

    Carley;7794510

    14 million to one chance = 140,000 friends buying 100 tickets each.



    ok, could you organise 14,000 people to buy 1,000 tickets each?

    Are you wanting to increase the likelyhood of a win, no matter what size, or increase the likely size of a win if you do happen to win. Picking certain combinations will increase the likelyhood of £10 wins over others, other combinations will increase the likelyhood of 4 ball plus wins if you do win - which do you want?

    DanJackson;7797773

    I confused the people in my work syndicate when I chose 1,2,3,4,5,6 as my … I confused the people in my work syndicate when I chose 1,2,3,4,5,6 as my lottery numbers. They just didn't get it.



    What's to get?

    DanJackson;7797773

    I confused the people in my work syndicate when I chose 1,2,3,4,5,6 as my … I confused the people in my work syndicate when I chose 1,2,3,4,5,6 as my lottery numbers. They just didn't get it.



    If by a 14 million to 1 chance you win the big prize you will receive the lowest payout in history as that's still the most commonly picked set of numbers!

    Original Poster

    Ok I've written my programme can some please post me the winnings for 3, 4 and 5 numbers for last weeks euromillions. Thank you.

    p.s spod I think you are incorrect that is a myth I beleive.

    greg_68;7801503

    Ok I've written my programme can some please post me the winnings for 3, … Ok I've written my programme can some please post me the winnings for 3, 4 and 5 numbers for last weeks euromillions. Thank you.[COLOR="Red"]Should be interesting! Aren't they on the net somewhere?[/COLOR]p.s spod I think you are incorrect that is a myth I beleive.



    [COLOR="red"]It's probably not, loads of people think it's funny and it's the one common combination that everyone could think of, everything else is just random.[/COLOR]

    Original Poster

    Firewalls at work block any lottery related sites. That's why I asked someone to provide them.

    Match 2 and 1 Star: €11 £7.20 $15.06 1,902,863
    Match 1 and 2 Stars: €12 £8.00 $16.43 725,556
    Match 3: €22 £15.30 $30.12 176,519
    Match 2 and 2 Stars: €28 £19.50 $38.33 129,953
    Match 3 and 1 Star: €36 £24.70 $49.29 118,860
    Match 3 and 2 Stars: €99 £68.70 $135.54 8,380
    Match 4: €151 £104.70 $206.73 3,850
    Match 4 and 1 Star: €317 £219.50 $434.00 2,625
    Match 4 and 2 Stars: €6,716 £4,647 $9,195 186
    Match 5: €102,870 £71,184 $140,839 17
    Match 5 and 1 Star: €362,493 £250,839 $496,289 17
    Match 5 and 2 Stars: €100,000,000 £87,570,000 $136,910,000 Rollover 0

    greg_68;7794904

    I hate google, it's just told me I have more chance of dying within the … I hate google, it's just told me I have more chance of dying within the next hour than winning the lottery.Roll on 4:15



    Im off down the bookies then! :thumbsup:

    Original Poster

    OK ready to test now, can someone either reply with the last 10 weeks euromillions numbers or can someone give me 10 sets of 5 and 2 lucky stars. (as before I am unable to get them due to work firewalls)

    I have picked 100 lines of 5 from 8 numbers and done combinations of them and also done 100 lines of randomly generated numbers, we can then see which would return more money.
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