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    Malta is the first European country to ban "Gay Cure Therapy"

    About time. Hopefully more countries to follow suit!

    New law says 'no sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression constitutes a disorder, disease or shortcoming of any sort'


    independent.co.uk/new…tml

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    I'm genuinely surprised they're the first in Europe and feeling pretty ignorant. Especially as it's for medical professionals.
    I know there are still at lot of backwards support for ideas such as Roosh V

    Bit heavy-handed.

    If, as science progresses, techniques that actually work are discovered to allow the changing of sexuality, then shouldn't individuals be free to choose whether or not they want to do so? Sure, ban any form of pressure or coercion, but this goes too far.

    If I could choose then I might like to be gay, it looks fun.

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    Rubisco

    Bit heavy-handed.If, as science progresses, techniques that actually work … Bit heavy-handed.If, as science progresses, techniques that actually work are discovered to allow the changing of sexuality, then shouldn't individuals be free to choose whether or not they want to do so? Sure, ban any form of pressure or coercion, but this goes too far.If I could choose then I might like to be gay, it looks fun.



    Interesting way of looking at it. I have to say I agree. Cheers

    Phew, I first thought poor old Robert Smith what's he going to do now

    Rubisco

    Bit heavy-handed.If, as science progresses, techniques that actually work … Bit heavy-handed.If, as science progresses, techniques that actually work are discovered to allow the changing of sexuality, then shouldn't individuals be free to choose whether or not they want to do so? Sure, ban any form of pressure or coercion, but this goes too far.If I could choose then I might like to be gay, it looks fun.


    I was going to reply to this post angrily...but I realise you are trolling.
    What a wee saddo you are

    Where's the "Become a gay therapy"

    carolinej81

    I was going to reply to this post angrily...but I realise you are … I was going to reply to this post angrily...but I realise you are trolling. What a wee saddo you are


    No, not trolling, by all means let rip X)

    Banned

    carolinej81

    I was going to reply to this post angrily...but I realise you are … I was going to reply to this post angrily...but I realise you are trolling. What a wee saddo you are



    Think about it! If someone doesnt like their sexuality then why the hell cant they attempt to change it?!

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    Rubisco

    Bit heavy-handed.If, as science progresses, techniques that actually work … Bit heavy-handed.If, as science progresses, techniques that actually work are discovered to allow the changing of sexuality, then shouldn't individuals be free to choose whether or not they want to do so? Sure, ban any form of pressure or coercion, but this goes too far.If I could choose then I might like to be gay, it looks fun.



    According to the new law, trying to "change, repress or eliminate a … According to the new law, trying to "change, repress or eliminate a person's sexual orientation, gender identity and/or gender expression" is now a criminal offence.

    perhaps the ban only overs specifically prescribing it for someone, if a genuine "cure" was found then it might be a different story. It would be interesting to know what they were prescribing before, if it was just a "pray the gay away" camp or something.



    As a gay man myself, I can honestly say if presented with the choice now, I would not change. A couple years ago I think my decision would have been different. I know some still would choose to change to be straight..
    Edited by: "1iam5mith" 9th Dec 2016

    Joey Bloggsy

    Where's the "Become a gay therapy"


    Bend over there's an injection on the way oO
    Sorry couldn't resist

    Treboeth

    Bend over there's an injection on the way oOSorry couldn't resist



    Accidental like for the record

    Joey Bloggsy

    Accidental like for the record


    That's what they all say X)

    Treboeth

    That's what they all say X)



    Are you fishing

    Rubisco

    Bit heavy-handed.If, as science progresses, techniques that actually work … Bit heavy-handed.If, as science progresses, techniques that actually work are discovered to allow the changing of sexuality, then shouldn't individuals be free to choose whether or not they want to do so? Sure, ban any form of pressure or coercion, but this goes too far.If I could choose then I might like to be gay, it looks fun.



    Gay is for life, not just Christmas

    Joey Bloggsy

    Are you fishing :p:D



    Just browsing
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    Treboeth

    Just browsing



    You're awfull!

    At least buy me a bottle of vodka first

    Joey Bloggsy

    You're awfull!At least buy me a bottle of vodka first



    Don`t be a Dick, Emery X)

    Treboeth

    Don`t be a Dick, Emery X)



    I'm gonna stop before I dig any more lol

    Its personal choice if they want to have hypnotism to change or something, also if the new law states

    "no sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression constitutes a disorder, disease or shortcoming of any sort"

    Does that mean paedophilia is perfectly fine and thus those people shouldn't be chemically castrated or given therapy etc to change what to them is a natural desire?

    Banned

    Gosh, my gender identify is Dragonkin so those Dragonphobic people need to get over themselves already.

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    Error440

    Its personal choice if they want to have hypnotism to change or … Its personal choice if they want to have hypnotism to change or something, also if the new law states "no sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression constitutes a disorder, disease or shortcoming of any sort" Does that mean paedophilia is perfectly fine and thus those people shouldn't be chemically castrated or given therapy etc to change what to them is a natural desire?

    Paedophillia is a psychiatric disorder, not a sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression. You cannot compare the two.

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    1iam5mith

    Paedophillia is a psychiatric disorder, not a sexual orientation, gender … Paedophillia is a psychiatric disorder, not a sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression. You cannot compare the two.



    Not true. Do you know there are two well defined types of Paedophillia?

    1iam5mith

    Paedophillia is a psychiatric disorder, not a sexual orientation, gender … Paedophillia is a psychiatric disorder, not a sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression. You cannot compare the two.



    Who decides that, a psychiatric disorder is just a mental state that is considered abnormal, with or without physical changes in the brain itself being detected. Finding children arousing is no different to finding the same sex arousing or a horse or a table, its a deviation from the normal thus abnormal.

    Error440

    Who decides that, a psychiatric disorder is just a mental state that is … Who decides that, a psychiatric disorder is just a mental state that is considered abnormal, with or without physical changes in the brain itself being detected. Finding children arousing is no different to finding the same sex arousing or a horse or a table, its a deviation from the normal thus abnormal.


    You have some extremely valid and interesting points! This is what most people don't see, or more importantly choose not to see, that what we define as 'abnormal' could very well be another person's 'normal'.

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    Error440

    Who decides that, a psychiatric disorder is just a mental state that is … Who decides that, a psychiatric disorder is just a mental state that is considered abnormal, with or without physical changes in the brain itself being detected. Finding children arousing is no different to finding the same sex arousing or a horse or a table, its a deviation from the normal thus abnormal.

    I understand what you're saying, when I say it's a mental disorder that's based on its listing in the DSM5 and ICD10 as a disorder (I know homosexuality used to be in the DSM). But if a homosexual acted on their abnormal arousal, they could do so without causing harm to another, that isn't the case with paedophiles. Homosexuals are attracted to the same gender, and can partake in consential relations, a child cannot rationally, and maturely consent to something like that, sex without consent is rape, children cannot consent. There can be a power element involved with paedophillia also.

    From what you're saying a urely paedophiles can be in the same category as straight people in the sense that they have a preference sexually.

    nabeel6235

    You have some extremely valid and interesting points! This is what most … You have some extremely valid and interesting points! This is what most people don't see, or more importantly choose not to see, that what we define as 'abnormal' could very well be another person's 'normal'.



    Abnormal is whatever goes against the natural order, in the case of humans we are designed to run about a bit, eat, drink and sleep and breed, then die, that is our nature the point to our existance. anything that goes against that like a eating disorder that will kill you or sexual orientation that means you will not breed is against human nature thus abnormal.

    We really are not any different to any other life on earth the point of our existance is the same as the ants and bacteria.
    Edited by: "Segata-Sanshiro" 9th Dec 2016

    Original Poster

    This post was meant to celebrate another brakerhrough and step in the right direction for the LGBTIQ community, not to compare it to paedophillia.

    This law is a step in the right direction, but the fact that this comparison is made in any LGBTIQ discussion, shows there is still a long way to go.

    1iam5mith

    I understand what you're saying, when I say it's a mental disorder … I understand what you're saying, when I say it's a mental disorder that's based on its listing in the DSM5 and ICD10 as a disorder (I know homosexuality used to be in the DSM). But if a homosexual acted on their abnormal arousal, they could do so without causing harm to another, that isn't the case with paedophiles. Homosexuals are attracted to the same gender, and can partake in consential relations, a child cannot rationally, and maturely consent to something like that, sex without consent is rape, children cannot consent. There can be a power element involved with paedophillia also.From what you're saying a urely paedophiles can be in the same category as straight people in the sense that they have a preference sexually.



    What you are saying is based on what is considered acceptable by society, its not got anything to do science, thus this new law is rubbish really if its going to ostracise people, "sexual orientation isn't a disorder.... unless you fancy something people think is gross" where is the logic in that.

    Joey Bloggsy

    Where's the "Become a gay therapy"



    here

    1iam5mith

    This post was meant to celebrate another brakerhrough and step in the … This post was meant to celebrate another brakerhrough and step in the right direction for the LGBTIQ community, not to compare it to paedophillia.This law is a step in the right direction, but the fact that this comparison is made in any LGBTIQ discussion, shows there is still a long way to go.



    So you think paedophilia is a choice then? shouldn't you be feeling sorry for people who can't help finding questionable things attractive rather then declaring them evil, its double standards isnt it? and that goes for people who find animals attractive, farming equipment you name it, if you find it attractive that is your sexual orientation.

    Rubisco

    Bit heavy-handed.If, as science progresses, techniques that actually … Bit heavy-handed.If, as science progresses, techniques that actually work are discovered to allow the changing of sexuality, then shouldn't individuals be free to choose whether or not they want to do so? Sure, ban any form of pressure or coercion, but this goes too far.If I could choose then I might like to be gay, it looks fun.

    According to the new law, trying to "change, repress or eliminate a … According to the new law, trying to "change, repress or eliminate a person's sexual orientation, gender identity and/or gender expression" is now a criminal offence.



    there is only one gay in this village pall and thats me

    Error440

    So you think paedophilia is a choice then? shouldn't you be feeling sorry … So you think paedophilia is a choice then? shouldn't you be feeling sorry for people who can't help finding questionable things attractive rather then declaring them evil, its double standards isnt it? and that goes for people who find animals attractive, farming equipment you name it, if you find it attractive that is your sexual orientation.



    you are loosing the plot

    this thread will not end well too many ignorant ppl about, with their little preduces just lieing underneath the surface

    Original Poster

    Error440

    So you think paedophilia is a choice then? shouldn't you be feeling sorry … So you think paedophilia is a choice then? shouldn't you be feeling sorry for people who can't help finding questionable things attractive rather then declaring them evil, its double standards isnt it? and that goes for people who find animals attractive, farming equipment you name it, if you find it attractive that is your sexual orientation.


    I don't think it's a choice, in the same way I don't think any other mental health condition is a choice...

    I do feel sorry for them as they didn't choose this, and given the choice wouldn't choose it. But that doesn't mean what they do/fantasise doing isn't wrong still. Not all paedophiles are child molesters, not all would act upon it.

    Being gay doesn't put the safety of others at risk, being a paedophile does.

    They aren't comparable. If someone is attracted to an inanimate object let them do it, it's and item without long term harm being done and no consent needed.
    Same sex attraction is two people, like minded/same attraction, Consential.
    Paedophiles it's one sided (them attracted to prepubescent people), no consent.
    Edited by: "1iam5mith" 9th Dec 2016

    miles136

    you are loosing the plot




    No I'm not I just look at things from a logical standpoint not an emotional one, whatever you fancy is your sexual orientation, if no sexual orientation constitutes a disorder, disease or shortcoming of any sort, then that clearly applies to all and isnt restricted to adult male and female humans. afterall thats what it says.

    Original Poster

    Right everyone take a chill pill and either go get some sleep, some coffee or back to hunting flamedeer.

    Banned

    1iam5mith

    I don't think it's a choice, in the same way I don't think any other … I don't think it's a choice, in the same way I don't think any other mental health condition is a choice...Paedophiles it's one sided (them attracted to prepubescent people), no consent.



    Once again. That is not true.

    There are 2 well defined types of Paedophile

    1iam5mith

    I don't think it's a choice, in the same way I don't think any other … I don't think it's a choice, in the same way I don't think any other mental health condition is a choice... I do feel sorry for them as they didn't choose this, and given the choice wouldn't choose it. But that doesn't mean what they do/fantasise doing isn't wrong still. Not all paedophiles are child molesters, not all would act upon it.Being gay doesn't put the safety of others at risk, being a paedophile does.They aren't comparable. If someone is attracted to an inanimate object let them do it, it's and item without long term harm being done and no consent needed.Same sex attraction is two people, like minded/same attraction, Consential.Paedophiles it's one sided (them attracted to prepubescent people), no consent.




    But this law is to ban therapy, if no sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression constitutes a disorder, disease or shortcoming of any sort' then the poor sod who has a overwhelming desire to shove his tinkle up exhauste pipes should equally be prevented from getting treated for it as it is just the way he was born.

    It should be upto the individual what they consider to be a problem or not and what they need treatment for or not, after all we live in a world of people getting boob jobs on the nhs for their mental wellbeing because they have a neurosis about having a flat chest.

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    YouDontWantToKnow

    Once again. That is not true.There are 2 well defined types of Paedophile


    And neither one of them is a discussion to be had in a thread about homosexuality. If everyone here wants to discuss paedophillia and they well defined types you keeping going on about I suggest another thread gets opened about it and hopefully that one can stay on topic..

    Edit: sorry if that sounded like I was snapping at you, didn't mean it to come across that way, just angers me every time this comparison is made.
    Edited by: "1iam5mith" 9th Dec 2016

    Banned

    1iam5mith

    And neither one of them is a discussion to be had in a thread about … And neither one of them is a discussion to be had in a thread about homosexuality. If everyone here wants to discuss paedophillia and they well defined types you keeping going on about I suggest another thread gets opened about it and hopefully that one can stay on topic..



    You are the one quoting paedophillia & your misguided interpretation of it.
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