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    Marijuana legalization will be on California ballot

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    looks like we may finally be 1 step closer to decriminalising marijuana in the U.S which in turn would mean the topic will be raised again here if this goes ahead, good news even if only for the medicinal benefits which are still being largely ignored over here


    (Reuters) - A California voter initiative that would legalize possession and sale of marijuana has qualified for the November ballot, state election officials said on Wednesday, in what supporters called a "watershed moment" for their cause.



    Passage of the measure, by no means certain, would make California the first U.S. state to legalize marijuana. Backers believe the state could be at the vanguard of a national movement toward decriminalizing the drug.

    "This is a watershed moment in the decades-long struggle to end marijuana prohibition in this country," said Stephen Gutwillig, California director of the Drug Policy Alliance, which has spearheaded the ballot initiative.

    "Banning marijuana outright has been a disaster, fueling a massive, increasingly brutal underground economy, wasting billions in scarce law enforcement resources and making criminals out of countless law-abiding citizens," he said.

    California Secretary of State Debra Bowen said in a written statement that her office had certified the measure for the November 2 general election ballot after backers submitted the required number of signatures on petitions.

    Bowen said that proponents, who needed 433,971 valid signatures to qualify for the ballot, had submitted 694,248 that were verified through a random sampling.

    POLLS SHOW MANY SUPPORT MEASURE

    Legalizing marijuana appears to have broad support in the state, with some 56 percent of Californians surveyed in an April, 2009 Field Poll saying they favored making it legal for social use and taxing the sales proceeds.

    In October, Gallup found 44 percent of Americans favored legalization.

    Activists have suggested that taxing marijuana sales could help bail out the cash-strapped state, but plenty of Californians still oppose marijuana.

    "With legalization of recreational marijuana use, impaired driving, fatalities, injuries and crashes will go up, and we don't want to see that," California Mothers Against Drunk Driving spokesman Silas Miers said.

    The measure's qualification for the ballot was "the first step toward its defeat," said John Lovell, a lobbyist who represents a number of law enforcement groups.

    Critics also say the social costs of a free-smoking state far outweigh the money it would bring in.

    They say that the already enormous societal damage from alcohol and tobacco use would only increase if people were allowed to legally sell and smoke pot.

    Under the initiative, simple possession of an ounce (28.5 grams) or less of marijuana, currently a misdemeanor offense punishable by a $100 fine, would be legal for anyone at least 21. It also would be lawful to grow limited amounts in one's own home for personal use.

    While sales would not be legalized outright, cities and counties could pass laws permitting commercial distribution subject to local regulations and taxes. Retail sales would still be limited to an ounce for adults 21 and older.

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    isnt schwarzenneger still governor of california? wouldnt have thought this fitted with his views?

    btw,I believe it should be legalised.

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    whatsThePoint;8206962

    Legalise and tax it, then government borrowing could be cleared in a few … Legalise and tax it, then government borrowing could be cleared in a few months



    What will the poor little boys do on the green when they have to pay tax :cry:

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    about as likely as UK legalising lethal injection, what the usa do wont change it here

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    this is the point, look how many americans are starting to think like that

    all the money and resources being wasted chasing after weed dealers......its ridiculous in this day and age

    time for change

    Dirty vile junkies

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    jubbyme;8206978

    about as likely as UK legalising lethal injection, what the usa do wont … about as likely as UK legalising lethal injection, what the usa do wont change it here



    ridiculous statement.......once the general mind set changes then the government could have the balls to do it

    casparwhite;8206988

    tall the money and resources being wasted chasing after weed … tall the money and resources being wasted chasing after weed dealers......its ridiculous in this day and agetime for change



    all the money and resources being wasted chasing after murderers......its ridiculous in this day and age

    time for change





    all the money and resources being wasted chasing after paedophiles......its ridiculous in this day and age

    time for change





    If you can't beat them, join them?

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    casparwhite;8207006

    ridiculous statement.......once the general mind set changes then the … ridiculous statement.......once the general mind set changes then the government could have the balls to do it



    mind set wont change, even if our government wanted it, europe wont
    most people in the country want capital punishment back, that isnt happening either!
    you thinking any government will ever get any balls, that is ridiculous

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    DLM;8206973

    What will the poor little boys do on the green when they have to pay tax … What will the poor little boys do on the green when they have to pay tax :cry:



    http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv107/megs25/th_Drunkandonpills.jpg

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    casparwhite;8207035



    Oh really.

    Why don't you stick to the green?

    whatsThePoint;8207016

    Have you ever smoked, drunk or taken an aspirin ?



    No, yes, yes.

    I dont see how taking a single aspirin is the same as smoking weed.

    And having a few drinks is the same either.

    But if thats what your arguement is, go for it.

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    jubbyme;8207033

    mind set wont change, even if our government wanted it, europe wontmost … mind set wont change, even if our government wanted it, europe wontmost people in the country want capital punishment back, that isnt happening either!



    funny how as time goes on things become more and more accepted ....... a black man president?

    this is how soceity works.......

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    the__mayster;8207056

    No, yes, yes.I dont see how taking a single aspirin is the same as … No, yes, yes.I dont see how taking a single aspirin is the same as smoking weed.And having a few drinks is the same either.But if thats what your arguement is, go for it.



    no alcohol is 100x worse..........its one of the worst mind altering drugs on the planet, it actually kills you

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    casparwhite;8207082

    funny how as time goes on things become more and more accepted ....... a … funny how as time goes on things become more and more accepted ....... a black man president?this is how soceity works.......



    true, but a black president was never actually against the law, even before the 60's civil rights
    Just the president would have to sit at the back of the bus

    its too much of a change to expect the government to be for it, they have spent a lot of time talking up the dangers of it, no time on any medical benefits.

    I cant see weed itself being used ever, its too variable for a start, but some research and extraction of pure chemicals has to be on the cards sooner or later and testing for certain illnesses

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    jubbyme;8207120

    true, but a black president was never actually against the law, even … true, but a black president was never actually against the law, even before the 60's civil rightsJust the president would have to sit at the back of the bus



    you know what im saying and i know your more intelligent than this......

    you know its enevitable........the uk defecit and borrowing could be wiped out within months

    If it was legalised the government would stick a huge tax on it. I don't know any drug users that would be happy to pay double current rates for their high, therefore people would still grow and buy it illegally, so what changes?

    casparwhite;8207112

    no alcohol is 100x worse..........its one of the worst mind altering … no alcohol is 100x worse..........its one of the worst mind altering drugs on the planet, it actually kills you


    Isn't weed linked to mental illness? It'll never be legalised in the UK.

    casparwhite;8207143

    you know what im saying and i know your more intelligent than this......



    Use homosexuality for a better comparison :thumbsup:

    casparwhite;8207143

    you know its enevitable........the uk defecit and borrowing could be … you know its enevitable........the uk defecit and borrowing could be wiped out within months



    Tax on marijuana will recover ONE TRILLION POUNDS within months? Wow. Bring it on.

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    Paddy_o_furniture;8207171

    Isn't weed linked to mental illness? It'll never be legalised in the UK.



    It seems to have affected a few posters :giggle:

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    the2ocan;8207149

    If it was legalised the government would stick a huge tax on it. I don't … If it was legalised the government would stick a huge tax on it. I don't know any drug users that would be happy to pay double current rates for their high, therefore people would still grow and buy it illegally, so what changes?



    do you realkise how much it actually costs to grow marijuana and if you were growing it on a grand scale it would bring in huge profit margins........currently around £10 a gram in london

    i dont quite understand where you are coming from tbh

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    Paddy_o_furniture;8207171

    Isn't weed linked to mental illness? It'll never be legalised in the UK.



    no thats another misconception......there is scientific proof to say otherwise

    Paddy_o_furniture;8207171

    Isn't weed linked to mental illness? It'll never be legalised in the UK.



    I think you will find people that smoke it say no.

    I think it does.


    Everyone knows where to get some from, why is there a need to legalise it?

    So you dont feel like your doing something bad? Make you feel better inside that your not a junkie?

    casparwhite;8207227

    no thats another misconception......



    Of course it is......

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    I think there would be a better case for outlawing alcohol, but that doesnt work either!

    There is too much information on the bad effects of weed regarding mental illness, I dont honestly see weed being sold next to tobacco for people to buy, only pure chemical extracts being prescribed and for very controlled illnesses, smoking weed is totally inconsistent for getting the chemicals in you in reliable quantities

    of course selling weed legally might at least get rid of the scummy drug dealers you get in places, but then again, they will sell somethine else? what was that recent one ? methadrone?

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    People think they are big and clever smoking it.

    I think they are pathetic tools :thumbsup:

    peodude;8207032

    all the money and resources being wasted chasing after murderers......its … all the money and resources being wasted chasing after murderers......its ridiculous in this day and agetime for changeall the money and resources being wasted chasing after paedophiles......its ridiculous in this day and agetime for changeIf you can't beat them, join them?




    What an idiotic post. So your comparing someone who smokes weed to a murderer or pedophile?

    whatsThePoint;8207260

    This is my arguementCan you explain the harm caused by smoking a single … This is my arguementCan you explain the harm caused by smoking a single fag, having a single drink, taking a single aspirin and having a single jointAnd then say which ones are addictive



    You can become addictive to anything if you try hard enough. Booze is not addictive.

    Take world of warcraft and the "clinics" they have opened.

    Im not saying saying weed is addictive, but then i think it is most of the time. The mentality of most people who smoke it want it again and again.

    Why does so many people smoke it every single day? Have nothing better to do? Or as they are addictied to it?

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    Bottom line is:
    money isnt being spent on showing how safe it is, rather its being spent showing that its unsafe
    very little is being spent on the pure extracts and what it really does for people who are ill
    very little case for the good is being put forward by the people who want it legalised

    the__mayster;8207286

    You can become addictive to anything if you try hard enough. Booze is not … You can become addictive to anything if you try hard enough. Booze is not addictive. Take world of warcraft and the "clinics" they have opened.Im not saying saying weed is addictive, but then i think it is most of the time. The mentality of most people who smoke it want it again and again.Why does so many people smoke it every single day? Have nothing better to do? Or as they are addictied to it?



    If alcohol isn't addictive what is an alcoholic?

    casparwhite;8207227

    no thats another misconception......there is scientific proof to say … no thats another misconception......there is scientific proof to say otherwise


    My brother is a CPN and he would say otherwise, and a quick google would say otherwise.

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    Paddy_o_furniture;8207171

    Isn't weed linked to mental illness? It'll never be legalised in the UK.



    the__mayster;8207235

    Of course it is......




    Myth: Marijuana Can Cause Permanent Mental Illness. Among adolescents, even occasional marijuana use may cause psychological damage. During intoxication, marijuana users become irrational and often behave erratically.

    Fact: There is no convincing scientific evidence that marijuana causes psychological damage or mental illness in either teenagers or adults. Some marijuana users experience psychological distress following marijuana ingestion, which may include feelings of panic, anxiety, and paranoia. Such experiences can be frightening, but the effects are temporary. With very large doses, marijuana can cause temporary toxic psychosis. This occurs rarely, and almost always when marijuana is eaten rather than smoked. Marijuana does not cause profound changes in people's behavior.

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    Iverson, Leslie. “Long-term effects of exposure to cannabis.” Current Opinion in Pharmacology 5(2005): 69-72.

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    Weiser and Noy. “Interpreting the association between cannabis use and increased risk of schizophrenia.” Dialogues in Clincal Neuroscience 1(2005): 81-85.
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    "Cannabis use will impair but not damage mental health." London Telegraph. 23 January 2006.

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    Andreasson, S. et al. “Cannabis and Schizophrenia: A Longitudinal study of Swedish Conscripts,” The Lancet 2 (1987): 1483-86.

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    Degenhardt, Louisa, Wayne Hall and Michael Lynskey. “Testing hypotheses about the relationship between cannabis use and psychosis,” Drug and Alcohol Dependence 71 (2003): 42-4.

    *
    Weil, A. “Adverse Reactions to Marijuana: Classification and Suggested Treatment.” New England Journal of Medicine 282 (1970): 997-1000.

    casparwhite;8207221

    do you realkise how much it actually costs to grow marijuana and if you … do you realkise how much it actually costs to grow marijuana and if you were growing it on a grand scale it would bring in huge profit margins........currently around £10 a gram in londoni dont quite understand where you are coming from tbh



    The government are never going to legalise growing cannabis it would be classed as tax evasion. So there would be limited suppliers of which the government would apply a massive tax to thus doubling what it cost compared to buying it from Dave down the pub?

    So everyone would still illegally buy the illegally grown cannabis from our mate Dave!:whistling:

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    Paddy_o_furniture;8207320

    My brother is a CPN and he would say otherwise, and a quick google would … My brother is a CPN and he would say otherwise, and a quick google would say otherwise.



    I agree, explains a lot of things :thumbsup:

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    Paddy_o_furniture;8207320

    My brother is a CPN and he would say otherwise, and a quick google would … My brother is a CPN and he would say otherwise, and a quick google would say otherwise.



    do you have links ?

    you appear to be able to handle a discussion rationally:thumbsup:

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    the2ocan;8207383

    The government are never going to legalise growing cannabis it would be … The government are never going to legalise growing cannabis it would be classed as tax evasion. So there would be limited suppliers of which the government would apply a massive tax to thus doubling what it cost compared to buying it from Dave down the pub?So everyone would still illegally buy the illegally grown cannabis from our mate Dave!:whistling:



    i disagree, the dutch have a decent business model with cafes and if you read the article in the op and do a litttle researech you will see how they plan to adopt it in the states

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    DLM;8207243

    People think they are big and clever smoking it.I think they are pathetic … People think they are big and clever smoking it.I think they are pathetic tools :thumbsup:



    Why? That's a bit judgmental.

    A lot of great men and women have used it, people who have achieved and created more than you could ever fathom and because of one small habit they have you see fit to label them a tool?

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    Paddy_o_furniture;8207320

    My brother is a CPN and he would say otherwise, and a quick google would … My brother is a CPN and he would say otherwise, and a quick google would say otherwise.



    A quick google would find evidence for the roswell alien being the second shooter on the grassy knoll.

    casparwhite;8207367

    Myth: Marijuana Can Cause Permanent Mental Illness. Among adolescents, … Myth: Marijuana Can Cause Permanent Mental Illness. Among adolescents, even occasional marijuana use may cause psychological damage. During intoxication, marijuana users become irrational and often behave erratically.Fact: There is no convincing scientific evidence that marijuana causes psychological damage or mental illness in either teenagers or adults. Some marijuana users experience psychological distress following marijuana ingestion, which may include feelings of panic, anxiety, and paranoia. Such experiences can be frightening, but the effects are temporary. With very large doses, marijuana can cause temporary toxic psychosis. This occurs rarely, and almost always when marijuana is eaten rather than smoked. Marijuana does not cause profound changes in people's behavior.*Iverson, Leslie. “Long-term effects of exposure to cannabis.” Current Opinion in Pharmacology 5(2005): 69-72.*Weiser and Noy. “Interpreting the association between cannabis use and increased risk of schizophrenia.” Dialogues in Clincal Neuroscience 1(2005): 81-85.*"Cannabis use will impair but not damage mental health." London Telegraph. 23 January 2006.*Andreasson, S. et al. “Cannabis and Schizophrenia: A Longitudinal study of Swedish Conscripts,” The Lancet 2 (1987): 1483-86.*Degenhardt, Louisa, Wayne Hall and Michael Lynskey. “Testing hypotheses about the relationship between cannabis use and psychosis,” Drug and Alcohol Dependence 71 (2003): 42-4.*Weil, A. “Adverse Reactions to Marijuana: Classification and Suggested Treatment.” New England Journal of Medicine 282 (1970): 997-1000.


    I could quote many sites that say otherwise. The government won't move on its stance (which I believe is the correct stance). I don't care what happens in the US, they all have the right to bear arms, no one is campaining for that on a huge scale here. No mattter what way the vote goes nothing will change here.

    FilthAndFurry;8207419

    A quick google would find evidence for the roswell alien being the second … A quick google would find evidence for the roswell alien being the second shooter on the grassy knoll.


    Show me this link. :thumbsup:
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