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    MC Believes: R.E shouldn't be taught in schools

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    Getting a bit fed up with my Son mentioning God and how he created the world etc. It's bad enough they're teaching RE but also creationism too. I don't want my 6 yr old's mind polluting like this. Where do I complain to? Do you agree?




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    here here , i'm with you

    So you would rather he were just taught the THEORY of evolution as fact?
    Is that not just as bad? let him look at the evidence and make his own mind up after looking at both sides. perhaps in more depth when he is older as he is only six

    Edited by: "badgerrules" 9th Jun 2011

    I think you can have him removed from such lessons if you have serious concerns. Otherwise, teach him that there are differing beliefs and he must come to his own.

    i don't think this thread will end well

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    badgerrules

    So you would rather he were just aught the THEORY of evolution as fact?



    I would rather he was taught theories as theories and bedtime stories as bedtime stories.

    Totally with you mate. No problem teaching kids about existing religions but influencing them to favour religion is wrong.

    You do not have to send your child to school as long as you teach him at home you can brainwash him yourself.

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    Have they got onto jini's yet?

    master_chief

    I would rather he was taught theories as theories and bedtime stories as … I would rather he was taught theories as theories and bedtime stories as bedtime stories.



    Why would something that millions of people believe be just a bedtime story?
    i agree with dtovey89 though influencing them to favour a particular religion is very wrong if i wanted that i would have put my kids in a faith school.
    Edited by: "badgerrules" 9th Jun 2011

    I think they should teach RE in school, it doesn't force them to follow a religion, just to be more culturally aware of mental people that actually do.

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    The more you learn about religions, the more obvious it becomes that they were all created by fat, rich, impotent, insecure men to control the world around them.

    but its not just about the creation of the world , the 'easter story' is a pain aswell someone dying 1 day and coming back to life again 3 days later ,

    mr.potato_head

    I think they should teach RE in school, it doesn't force them to follow a … I think they should teach RE in school, it doesn't force them to follow a religion, just to be more culturally aware of mental people that actually do.


    Mental people? that is a bit offensive dont you think? what about teaching children to be tolerent and treat all people with respect.

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    badgerrules

    Why would something that millions of people believe be just a bedtime … Why would something that millions of people believe be just a bedtime story?i agree with dtovey89 though influencing them to favour a particular religion is very wrong if i wanted that i would have put my kids in a faith school.



    Are kids people? Because if they are, then millions of them believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

    I don't think I'm going to be accused of blasphemy if I say that they're bedtime stories.

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    badgerrules

    Mental people? that is a bit offensive dont you think? what about … Mental people? that is a bit offensive dont you think? what about teaching children to be tolerent and treat all people with respect.



    In the same way that Catholics and Muslims teach their kids to treat homosexuals?

    I would normally agree, but recently my son asked to take RE as one of his options, i was a bit surprised and looked further into it.

    Within the class content, The Term RE has stretched further than what i encountered at school, they now use the religion side of it as an introduction to more issues, i found it to be more about looking at family life, morals, ethics and the situations around you. if felt more like life classes.

    My son would be looking at crime, social issues, family structures, and how things like this influence and shape our life, dilemmas etc, and also taught how to conduct a debate etc. i actually was really surprised and pleased with the fact that this is finally being acknowledged and being taught.

    I think you consider that despite the fact in recent years religion has been portrayed as a reason for hate, it is still a fact of life and to many around us their faith is something to rely upon.

    If we are all taught to respect that issue and form our own judgment and opinion is that a bad thing?

    The god thing is just a starting point, which leads on to evolution etc and then the above subjects.

    I am not really a religious person, but it is a part of our life and history regardless if we choose to believe or not, so for that point i feel our children need to be taught to understand it and its consequences.

    My kids hate RE, they're often moaning about it saying they don't want to be a priest so what's the point. I'd rather they were taught self defense or something of some use.

    FilthAndFurry

    Are kids people? Because if they are, then millions of them believe in … Are kids people? Because if they are, then millions of them believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.I don't think I'm going to be accused of blasphemy if I say that they're bedtime stories.



    Yes they can be read as a story before bedtime, but my point was that millions of people believe they are more than just stories.

    badgerrules

    what about teaching children to be tolerent and treat all people with … what about teaching children to be tolerent and treat all people with respect.



    For that I believe schools should have social etiquette lessons, you know, stuff that may be of some use in later life.

    Edited by: "mr.potato_head" 9th Jun 2011

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    badgerrules

    Yes they can be read as a story before bedtime, but my point was that … Yes they can be read as a story before bedtime, but my point was that millions of people believe they are more than just stories.



    True. They're taught to discriminate and hate based on a religion, or even to kill based on it.

    FilthAndFurry

    In the same way that Catholics and Muslims teach their kids to treat … In the same way that Catholics and Muslims teach their kids to treat homosexuals?



    Not all religions are the same. Just because i or anyone, doesn't agree with someones life choices i dont believe they should be any less tolerent or treat them any differently.

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    Religion is slowly but surely fading out in first world countries as science pushes back the boundrys of understanding and children are not brainwashed when to young to know any better.

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    badgerrules

    Not all religions are the same.



    Actually, all religions are the same in the sense that they are man-made.

    mr.potato_head

    For that I believe schools should have social etiquette lessons, you … For that I believe schools should have social etiquette lessons, you know, stuff that may be of some use in later life.



    That is a really good idea.

    badgerrules

    my point was that millions of people believe they are more than just … my point was that millions of people believe they are more than just stories.



    Millions of people believe Justin Bieber is a good singer. Does that make it true?

    mr.potato_head

    Millions of people believe Justin Bieber is a good singer. Does that make … Millions of people believe Justin Bieber is a good singer. Does that make it true?



    In my opinion no he is not, but i respect that other people think that

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    badgerrules

    Yes they can be read as a story before bedtime, but my point was that … Yes they can be read as a story before bedtime, but my point was that millions of people believe they are more than just stories.



    I like the one particularly that says the Earth, stars, man etc were made in a week. (Well a bit less actually as this God geezer then had a day off.)

    Do you believe in that nonsense too, or are you more selective on the bits which are "facts"?

    guv

    I like the one particularly that says the Earth, stars, man etc were made … I like the one particularly that says the Earth, stars, man etc were made in a week. (Well a bit less actually as this God geezer then had a day off.) Do you believe in that nonsense too, or are you more selective on the bits which are "facts"?



    I believe in the bible yes. You are viewing the seven days from a human standpoint of 7 24 hour periods, who said they were that long? it says elsewhere in the bible that a thousand years to god is like a day to humans. Should i believe instead that i came to be alive because of some huge explosions then millions of years later crawled out of some soup when i decided i didnt want to be a fish anymore?

    In Scotland the kids get RME - religious and moral education. Mine have learnt about various religions (Christianity, Islam and the various Indian ones). At no point have they been brainwashed. Nor have they been forced to worship any god or God.

    It is part of a rounded education that will allow them to interact with various people/cultures as they get older and not fear the unknown ( which more than a few of the posters on yesterday's ham and shoe thread displayed).

    AberdeenDad

    In Scotland the kids get RME - religious and moral education. Mine have … In Scotland the kids get RME - religious and moral education. Mine have learnt about various religions (Christianity, Islam and the various Indian ones). At no point have they been brainwashed. Nor have they been forced to worship any god or God.It is part of a rounded education that will allow them to interact with various people/cultures as they get older and not fear the unknown ( which more than a few of the posters on yesterday's ham and shoe thread displayed).



    I agree, i have beliefs but i am not against my children learning about others, a well rounded education is what is best.

    Schools are required by law to teach RE.

    They teach a basic understanding of the world's major religions, their beliefs, their similarities and differences.

    They do so in a way that is non judgemental and certainly not proselytising.

    As well as inviting pupils to be both informed and tolerant (qualities sometimes lacking in a few who post here), they enable each child to develop their own moral compass.

    Indepth study will also involve the teaching of Philosophy which hones the ability to present a reasoned and cogent argument while respecting the differences of others. (Skills that are sometimes lacking in a few who post here.)























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    cannyscot

    They do so in a way that is non judgemental



    Now the Muslims hate gays and some think that they slaughter of innocents is perfectly fine.....


    m'kay

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    I agree there is room in the curriculum for some sort of social studies kind of lesson. This could easily encompass the concept of religion without being a full blown subject. I also don't think any aspect of religion should be taught until they are older, 6 is just too young.

    Teaching religion should be the sole preseve of the parents and their church.

    The Bible is like the film Inception.

    It has about a million plot holes covered up by flaky answers to the point that a lot of people think it's clever.

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    badgerrules

    I believe in the bible yes. You are viewing the seven days from a human … I believe in the bible yes. You are viewing the seven days from a human standpoint of 7 24 hour periods, who said they were that long? it says elsewhere in the bible that a thousand years to god is like a day to humans. Should i believe instead that i came to be alive because of some huge explosions then millions of years later crawled out of some soup when i decided i didnt want to be a fish anymore?



    So you believe that the 'huge explosion' story is less realistic than the 'god' story.

    Why couldn't god create the universe in 6 days anyway? He's god.

    And you 'believe in the Bible' - really?

    You've read the Bible and believe in everything in it?
    Edited by: "FilthAndFurry" 9th Jun 2011

    master_chief

    I agree there is room in the curriculum for some sort of social studies … I agree there is room in the curriculum for some sort of social studies kind of lesson. This could easily encompass the concept of religion without being a full blown subject. I also don't think any aspect of religion should be taught until they are older, 6 is just too young.Teaching religion should be the sole preseve of the parents and their church.



    Why?
    So should we let health by taught by parents and hospitals then? Why should school tell my kids what to eat, how to brush teeth etc?

    FilthAndFurry

    Now the Muslims hate gays and some think that they slaughter of innocents … Now the Muslims hate gays and some think that they slaughter of innocents is perfectly fine.....m'kay



    how is that relevent to this discussion? they are hardly going to teach that in a school are they? Deffinately not something i want my children learning about. But the basic beliefs of a religion is different.

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    FilthAndFurry

    So you believe that the 'huge explosion' story is less realistic than the … So you believe that the 'huge explosion' story is less realistic than the 'god' story.Why couldn't god create the universe in 6 days anyway? He's god.



    it's just classic religious interpretation. The bible is fact until it gets a bit hazy so then they interpret it

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    badgerrules

    how is that relevent to this discussion? they are hardly going to teach … how is that relevent to this discussion? they are hardly going to teach that in a school are they? Deffinately not something i want my children learning about. But the basic beliefs of a religion is different.



    I have no problem with kids being taught about religion. Religion is one of the biggest issues of our time. In infects every facet of life.

    I believe the more education a person has, the less power religions have. So I actually disagree with the OP. I also disagree with the notion that we shouldn't be judgmental.

    Some of the beliefs of the major religions are clearly insane. There's no problem calling them on it.

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    AberdeenDad

    Why?So should we let health by taught by parents and hospitals then? Why … Why?So should we let health by taught by parents and hospitals then? Why should school tell my kids what to eat, how to brush teeth etc?



    Like I said you can teach it as a concept, but the ideology and belief system comes from the parents. Ideally a parent shouldn't push their beliefs on a child either.
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