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    Mental Health Act ?!

    I need some help regarding section 3 of the MHA for a family member, can folks kindly elaborate as to what this entails, or if anyone has experience of this Act.

    Thanks in advance for any help, will be afk.

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    hyperguide.co.uk/mha…htm

    But then, you had already googled for an answer, hadn't you?;-)

    from what it says you need 2 medical recommendations with the application to detain some one in hospital for mental disorder treatment and care, with an initial length of 6 months and reviewed a year at a time there after.

    i think you need a doctor to start the ball rolling, they usually take the patient to be asessed for a week under supervision then a team of psycologists, doctors & care workers will decide where to go from there. i was lucky, they let me out after a week and the place was very nice with plenty to do. good luck & hope all works out for the best!

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    cis_groupie;5928907

    http://www.hyperguide.co.uk/mha/s3.htmBut then, you had already googled … http://www.hyperguide.co.uk/mha/s3.htmBut then, you had already googled for an answer, hadn't you?;-)



    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::whistling::

    The Royal College of Psychiatry [url]www.rcpsych.ac.uk[/url] and Mind might also have simple guides [url]www.mind.org.uk[/url]

    cis_groupie;5928907

    http://www.hyperguide.co.uk/mha/s3.htmBut then, you had already googled … http://www.hyperguide.co.uk/mha/s3.htmBut then, you had already googled for an answer, hadn't you?;-)



    The link you refer to is over 10 years old, and the MHA has been amended since then....

    don hedron;5928934

    i think you need a doctor to start the ball rolling, they usually take … i think you need a doctor to start the ball rolling, they usually take the patient to be asessed for a week under supervision then a team of psycologists, doctors & care workers will decide where to go from there. i was lucky, they let me out after a week and the place was very nice with plenty to do. good luck & hope all works out for the best!



    No offence but this is wildly inaccurate. Patients are not assessed for a week on a Section 3, it is a 6 month order for treatment of a mental illness. I accept that it is possible for someone to be discharged after a week, but the assessment thing would come under Section 2.

    It might be useful for the OP to request specifics about the information he/she is after...

    jonincov;5929177

    The link you refer to is over 10 years old, and the MHA has been amended … The link you refer to is over 10 years old, and the MHA has been amended since then....


    Point taken - I didn't check the date, but this was the first site of many found when I queried Google:

    Results 1 - 10 of about 3,230,000 for section 3 mental health act

    My point was that with over 3 million hits it can't be that hard to find the required information (although admittedly not all of the sites are up to date:whistling:). Hands up those people replying on here that are doing so from memory? And now hands up those that googled their answer?

    What it entails? For me (when I was below 18) I was just in some adolescant hospital with people suffering
    from all kinds of psychiatric conditions from anorexia to schizophrenia etc. It looks worse than it is to start with.
    Act 3 will be in patient too, thus you'll have to live there. You'll be assessed about whether or not you need to stay
    there longer after a minimum of 3months in hospital (as far as I remember), usual inpatient stay is 6months, for some people longer.

    I should also add I suppose that it can be rather sudden, in that I mean one day you're living at home & the next
    you're in hospital literally out of the blue. If they reckon you need to be in hospital they will section you on the spot
    & literally take you to hospital in an ambluance hehe.

    When I say hospital I don't mean hospital in the direct meaning of the word, I mean a specially designed unit for
    dealing with people suffering from certain mental illnesses which will provide day to day psychiatric aid along with
    education, occupational therapy & loads of supervision etc.

    Source: Happened to me when I was 14, 9months in hospital.

    Not sure whether or not that helped hehe. ;-)

    Last thing you want to look at is the Act (unless you are well practiced at reading legal documents). You will find it easier (well only a little bit) to look at the Mental Health Act Code of Practice
    dh.gov.uk/en/…Web

    There is also some basic info from here
    nhs.uk/car…spx

    Mental health
    If you are caring for someone who has mental health problems, you should familiarise yourself with the legal and ethical issues round the treatment of their condition.

    The Mental Health Acts of 1983 and 2007 set out various legal rights that apply to people with severe mental health problems. They also contain the powers which, in extreme cases, allow some people with mental health problems to be compulsorily detained in a psychiatric hospital.

    Voluntary admission to hospital
    In the majority of cases, patients will be admitted to psychiatric hospital on a voluntary basis. They have exactly the same rights as anyone going into hospital for any treatment, and they can leave whenever they want.

    Compulsory admission to hospital
    In other cases, people can be detained in a psychiatric hospital for certain periods of time. For example, the Mental Health Act 1983 authorises patients to be detained for assessment or treatment. The purpose of this law is to ensure that people with serious mental disorders which put their health and safety at risk (or the health and safety of other people) receive appropriate assessment and treatment.

    When a person is compulsorily detained in hospital it's sometimes referred to as being 'sectioned'. The decision to detain an individual is made under a particular section of the Mental Health Act 1983. Section two, for example, allows a person to be detained for a maximum period of 28 days in order to be assessed. Section three allows a person to be detained so that they can receive treatment. The maximum period of detention in this case is six months, but more time may be authorised.

    Other sections of the Mental Health Act deal with the powers to compulsorily detain people who have severe mental disorders and have committed a criminal offence.

    Compulsory detention if there's appropriate medical treatment
    The law states that when someone is detained in hospital for a long period of time, it must be demonstrated that medical treatment appropriate to the patient's mental disorder is available.

    Supervised community treatment
    This has been introduced for patients who have been compulsorily detained in hospital. It allows some of them to be discharged earlier than would otherwise be possible, subject to them being supervised within the community.

    Safeguards
    The law makes it clear that there are maximum periods of detention, depending on the reason behind the patient’s detention. The law also sets out how patients can be discharged, and who can make that decision. In some cases, you may be the 'nearest relative' (see Who’s who, below), and you'll have powers to apply for the person you're looking after to be discharged from psychiatric hospital. The person you're looking after will also be able to apply for discharge after certain periods of detention in hospital.

    Mental health tribunals
    These are independent bodies that make decisions when a patient, or someone on their behalf, has applied for their discharge from hospital. When making their decision, the tribunal is required to balance the freedom of the individual with the protection of the public and the best interests of the patient.

    The tribunal can decide to discharge a patient immediately or, for example, recommend a leave of absence from hospital or a supervised discharge. Hearings are usually conducted in private at the hospital where the patient is detained.

    In some cases, a further appeal can be made to an administrative appeals chamber.

    Consent to treatment
    A patient can only be forced to have medical treatment if they're compulsorily detained in hospital under the Mental Health Act. Under those circumstances, there may be a maximum period of three months during which they can be forced to have medication. There are also special legal safeguards concerning surgery on the brain (psychosurgery) or electro-convulsive therapy (ECT).

    The Mental Health Act Commission offers another safeguard for patients who lack the capacity, or refuse, to consent to treatment, through the 'second opinion appointed doctor service'.


    If someone is detained they may be given one of these leaflets which you might find helpful
    dh.gov.uk/en/…275

    cis_groupie;5929404

    Point taken - I didn't check the date, but this was the first site of … Point taken - I didn't check the date, but this was the first site of many found when I queried Google:Results 1 - 10 of about 3,230,000 for section 3 mental health actMy point was that with over 3 million hits it can't be that hard to find the required information (although admittedly not all of the sites are up to date:whistling:). Hands up those people replying on here that are doing so from memory? And now hands up those that googled their answer?



    Hands up for me doing it from memory!! I work in psychiatry though so its pretty easy for me. I definitely get your point though, it also echoes mine about what information precisely is required from the OP. Might avoid a lot of unrelated stuff being posted! :thumbsup:

    MorningStar;5929448

    What it entails? For me (when I was below 18) I was just in some … What it entails? For me (when I was below 18) I was just in some adolescant hospital with people sufferingfrom all kinds of psychiatric conditions from anorexia to schizophrenia etc. It looks worse than it is to start with.Act 3 will be in patient too, thus you'll have to live there. You'll be assessed about whether or not you need to stay there longer after a minimum of 3months in hospital (as far as I remember), usual inpatient stay is 6months, for some people longer.I should also add I suppose that it can be rather sudden, in that I mean one day you're living at home & the nextyou're in hospital literally out of the blue. If they reckon you need to be in hospital they will section you on the spot& literally take you to hospital in an ambluance hehe.When I say hospital I don't mean hospital in the direct meaning of the word, I mean a specially designed unit fordealing with people suffering from certain mental illnesses which will provide day to day psychiatric aid along witheducation, occupational therapy & loads of supervision etc.Source: Happened to me when I was 14, 9months in hospital.Not sure whether or not that helped hehe. ;-)




    It is a little bit different in adults, as you may well not receive education, OT and such which the law requires is provided to those under 18. I definitely agree that it can be pretty sudden and very bewildering, hope you've moved on since this :thumbsup:

    Application by an Approved Mental Health Act Practitioner (old Approved Social Worker)

    Two medical reccomendations from doctors who must specify at which hosptals the appropriate treatment is available and will be given.

    Section 3 is for treatment only, NOT assessment (section 2) and is for an initial period of up to 6 months. This can be renewed if necessary for a further 6 months, and then again if necessary for successive periods of 12 months.

    Medical Treatment includes nursing, psychological, rehabilitation, habilitation, etc.

    Alcohol and drug abuse alone do NOT qualify as mental disorders.

    The patient must have a Tribunal( appeal) in the first 6 months, the second 6 months, and then at least every 3 years therafter.

    What else you need to know depends upon the circumstances. Others might describe their own experiences and they may be valid of course, but the MHA is a minefield of legislation. Reading the code of practice is not relevant unless you want to know how the authorities and carers should behave. Even then, it is not straightforward.

    One of the best things to remember is that the MHA is only intended to detain someone against their will for a health reason. It is not intended to take away any of their other rights as an individual. In fact the new principles of the ammedement in 2007 make this even plainer.:thumbsup:

    Original Poster

    Thanks for all your replies, i hope all goes well all repped.

    MorningStar;5929448

    What it entails? For me (when I was below 18) I was just in some … What it entails? For me (when I was below 18) I was just in some adolescant hospital with people sufferingfrom all kinds of psychiatric conditions from anorexia to schizophrenia etc. It looks worse than it is to start with.Act 3 will be in patient too, thus you'll have to live there. You'll be assessed about whether or not you need to stay there longer after a minimum of 3months in hospital (as far as I remember), usual inpatient stay is 6months, for some people longer.I should also add I suppose that it can be rather sudden, in that I mean one day you're living at home & the nextyou're in hospital literally out of the blue. If they reckon you need to be in hospital they will section you on the spot& literally take you to hospital in an ambluance hehe.When I say hospital I don't mean hospital in the direct meaning of the word, I mean a specially designed unit fordealing with people suffering from certain mental illnesses which will provide day to day psychiatric aid along witheducation, occupational therapy & loads of supervision etc.Source: Happened to me when I was 14, 9months in hospital.Not sure whether or not that helped hehe. ;-)



    you went through a lot sweetie, at that age x x

    bargain surfer;5933243

    Thanks for all your replies, i hope all goes well all repped.



    The info you need is more to do with what angle you're coming from hon x x
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