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    I was wondering what everybody else take on the mmr is, im a little unsure purely because i don't think i know all the facts and have only gone by what i have heard other mothers saying.
    Its all a little confusing, however i do think my daughter will have it just in the separate doses, not all in 1 shot.

    I know this is probably not the best place to be asking about it, but id rather hear what you guys say rather than my GP who will of course be all for it.

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    My son has autism, and the wife swears it was the MMR jab. But that just may be her being swayed by the press reports. If we had our time again, we would have the seperate jabs.

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    tighten ya seat belt for this ride, last time i made a thread to discuss this it didnt go down to well, good luck xx

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    Hutchie;6640834

    My son has autism, and the wife swears it was the MMR jab. But that just … My son has autism, and the wife swears it was the MMR jab. But that just may be her being swayed by the press reports. If we had our time again, we would have the seperate jabs.



    I guess for the sake of a few extra quid its worth the peace of mind, thanks for replying to my post :thumbsup:

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    sassie;6640853

    tighten ya seat belt for this ride, last time i made a thread to discuss … tighten ya seat belt for this ride, last time i made a thread to discuss this it didnt go down to well, good luck xx



    no,really? Oh gawd i hope i don't get lynched!

    thought it was completely exposed as a fake threat. both my kids will have MMR

    Separate jabs are available as an alternative to the MMR but this will not be on the NHS.
    They work out about £70 per jab (boosters will also be needed so 6 jabs in total)

    Also they are increasingly hard to source as the government seems to want to remove this option so that the MMR is the only choice - Utterly ridiculous situation.

    We had our first born done with the single doses near Worcester about 7 years ago. We then had the MMR done for our next two and they're fine. I seem to remember that the Dr. who started all this controversy was actually about to launch a rival MMR product and it seemed as though he was generating negative publicity to promote himself. However, a nurse friend of ours says that the storage method of the MMR was to do with mercury and that was the actual problem, not the MMR itself.
    It's one hell of a decision to make, and I feel for you, but we chose the MMR for our last two and all is well.
    Good luck whichever way you go.

    There's no scientific correlation between the MMR vaccine and autism.

    All my kiddies had the vaccine xxxx

    The only study done to show any form of correlation was found to have its results forged and paid for by a drug company... xx

    There is no medical proof that MMR causes autism. The problem is that the jab and autism symptoms appear at roughly the same age (hence people assume the jab caused autism when in reality autism is totally separate from the jab).

    The question you need to ask is:-

    what are the known side effects of the MMR jab?
    what are the known side effects of the separate jabs?
    Do I want to spend money and risk the possible additional side effects?

    Personally I went for the MMR jab. one reason is that I understand how surveys work and unless you know the exact question that is being asked you really cannot trust the reporting of the results.

    Hutchie;6640834

    My son has autism, and the wife swears it was the MMR jab. But that just … My son has autism, and the wife swears it was the MMR jab. But that just may be her being swayed by the press reports. If we had our time again, we would have the seperate jabs.


    same here... i have 2 boys with autism & really noticed with the 2nd that he regressed after having the mmr & know a lot of other parents with kids with autism that feel the same.
    go for the separate jabs ellasmummy if it will give you a little peace of mind it will be money well spent :thumbsup:

    I am in no way stating there IS a connection between MMR and Autism, all I am stating is that, believe me, if you have a child with Autism, then it is something that you consider to be a possibilty. It may not have a proven link, but then again it doesnt have a disproven link either! The mercury in the jab was supposedy the issue. All i AM saying is IF i could have that choice again, no matter the cost I would go for seperate jabs. MY OPINION ONLY.

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    Thanks for all the replies, i think i will go with the separate jabs tbh, i was going to anyway but wow it is a lot of money isn't it, but if it gives me peace of mind etc, i think its worth it

    Sister-in-law is a GP and she swears there is no link between MMR and autism or anything else. Shehas had both her kids done and our little boy has had his. However, when I was a child and had mine my mum swears it caused me to have fits (nearly 30 years ago though). My sister-in-law gave a very logical explaination to this; the MMR gave me a high temp, it was the high temp that caused the fit.

    both my sons have had it and they are fine

    Seems to me that parents of boys with autism, are connecting it to the MMR. Are boys more prone? Also how long after the jab did you notice changes? Mine has had the jab, i don't think it would still be allowed to be on the market if the connection with autism, was that definite.

    Lulu'sMammy;6641091

    Seems to me that parents of boys with autism, are connecting it to the … Seems to me that parents of boys with autism, are connecting it to the MMR. Are boys more prone? Also how long after the jab did you notice changes? Mine has had the jab, i don't think it would still be allowed to be on the market if the connection with autism, was that definite.



    Boys are more prone to autism full stop. Can't recall the fiure off the top of my head, but was writing a paper on Aspergers for a course I am doing and it was either 5:1, 4:1 or 3:1 boys to girls with autism.

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    Lulu'sMammy;6641091

    Seems to me that parents of boys with autism, are connecting it to the … Seems to me that parents of boys with autism, are connecting it to the MMR. Are boys more prone? Also how long after the jab did you notice changes? Mine has had the jab, i don't think it would still be allowed to be on the market if the connection with autism, was that definite.



    yes it is more prone in boys (autism that is) just because their is no proven link doesnt mean there isnt one, i gave me feelings about this on another thread and dont wish to post them again, cant be doing with the hassle, op there are a few threads been done on here, but your best bet is to google and read up there

    our little girl had the MMR - I thought that in the end it was proven that the research linking the MMR to autism was badly conducted and never proven to be true by many studies since.

    I suppose it's hard to prove either way. The only surefire way to test would be to give some kids the MMR and some a placebo, then see how many from each population get autism. Not exactly an ethical trial I wouldn't have thought. Therefore, no one can ever be 100% certain either way.

    worto03;6641141

    our little girl had the MMR - I thought that in the end it was proven … our little girl had the MMR - I thought that in the end it was proven that the research linking the MMR to autism was badly conducted and never proven to be true by many studies since.



    It wasnt just badly conducted it was an outright scam,The doctor who did the bogus teast was developing his own drug to sell,

    Lulu'sMammy;6641091

    Seems to me that parents of boys with autism, are connecting it to the … Seems to me that parents of boys with autism, are connecting it to the MMR. Are boys more prone? Also how long after the jab did you notice changes? Mine has had the jab, i don't think it would still be allowed to be on the market if the connection with autism, was that definite.


    my youngest was walking at 9 months & was talking before the jab & stopped talking after :-( he now has severe delayed speech& attends a specialist school. IMO i believe it to be a reaction to something in the genes that brings on autism after the mmr. I know there are many who say "well my kids had the mmr & they are fine" should count themselves extremely fortunate as many parents with kids with autism believe differently.

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    absolutely NO proven link between the jab and autism

    pure scaremongering and ill-advised parents

    the only folk who bang on about it are those looking for something to blame for their kids being affected - its not a nice thing to live with however these things do happen, no one knows why for sure, but it aint the jab

    my 2 boys had the mmr and they are both fine. so are my 2 nephews.

    Are there kids out there with Autism who have not had the MMR ?

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    flowers172;6641441

    Are there kids out there with Autism who have not had the MMR ?



    yes.................

    just as there are kids out there who have AIDS but have never had gay sex................

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    sassie;6641128

    just because their is no proven link doesnt mean there isnt one,



    Which is the most illogical way to live one's life that there is.

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    cheerleader;6641342

    my youngest was walking at 9 months & was talking before the jab & … my youngest was walking at 9 months & was talking before the jab & stopped talking after :-( he now has severe delayed speech& attends a specialist school. IMO i believe it to be a reaction to something in the genes that brings on autism after the mmr. I know there are many who say "well my kids had the mmr & they are fine" should count themselves extremely fortunate as many parents with kids with autism believe differently.



    And what do scientists say?

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    you have 2 choices

    1. Go with the masses whose kids have been given the jabs with no effects whatsoever, and given that there is no link between the 2, I'd be inclined to follow this road

    2. Believe the serial nay-sayers & doubters who will jump on any hysterical bandwagon to put you off anything.

    You eat beef right? You know it can kill you? you dont care so much about that

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    FilthAndFurry;6641496

    And what do scientists say?



    who cares about science! believe the hippys!

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    dimebars;6641393

    absolutely NO proven link between the jab and autismpure scaremongering … absolutely NO proven link between the jab and autismpure scaremongering and ill-advised parentsthe only folk who bang on about it are those looking for something to blame for their kids being affected - its not a nice thing to live with however these things do happen, no one knows why for sure, but it aint the jab



    Thanks Dr Dimebars

    My kids have had the combined jag, I never once thought about getting it done in seperate doses.

    FilthAndFurry;6641496

    And what do scientists say?


    Probably something along these lines.........
    What is 'regressive autism'?
    It has been suggested that there is a new condition called Regressive Autism - where children lose skills like speech and actions, and that this occurred after MMR.

    This has been studied and it has been proved that the proportion of autistic children with regression is the same whether they have had MMR or not, and that there has been no increase in the proportion with regression after MMR was introduced.

    This means that MMR has not caused their regression.

    Despite what the stories say, there has not been a single study that has shown a risk of the MMR vaccine causing autism. But, there have been many studies that cannot find a link.

    Either route you follow (combined or seperate), children need to be immunised.

    Because of the scaremongering surrounding MMR people have simply not being getting their kids immunised. This has led to a massive hike in Measles over the past few years. It is a dangerous thing especially in young children, a youngster from near my area died last year because of measles, and mumps is also on the rise! I had not heard of anybody having mumps since I was at primary school, (I am now 26) and I now know 3 people who have had it in the past couple of months!!

    dimebars;6641393

    absolutely NO proven link between the jab and autismpure scaremongering … absolutely NO proven link between the jab and autismpure scaremongering and ill-advised parentsthe only folk who bang on about it are those looking for something to blame for their kids being affected - its not a nice thing to live with however these things do happen, no one knows why for sure, but it aint the jab


    says someone who HASN'T had to see the deterioration in their child after having the mmr :whistling:

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    cheerleader;6641821

    says someone who HASN'T had to see the deterioration in their child after … says someone who HASN'T had to see the deterioration in their child after having the mmr :whistling:



    But has possibly read the research done on the issue.

    FilthAndFurry;6641828

    But has possibly read the research done on the issue.


    Given the media reporting its not surprising parents believe this. Maybe you should be pointing your finger at the journalists who love a scare story but then give little prominence to studies that prove otherwise. ...

    cheerleader;6641821

    says someone who HASN'T had to see the deterioration in their child after … says someone who HASN'T had to see the deterioration in their child after having the mmr :whistling:



    But that was after having the MMR not BECAUSE of having the MMR.

    While it is possible that the two are related and you believe that they are related that is not proof that they are related. How do you know it wasn't triggered by a food allergy, knock on head.......

    flowers172;6641441

    my 2 boys had the mmr and they are both fine. so are my 2 nephews.Are … my 2 boys had the mmr and they are both fine. so are my 2 nephews.Are there kids out there with Autism who have not had the MMR ?




    Yes, my son. He was due his MMR, but I delayed it because I was so torn about what to do, but it was at the same time that I noticed slight differences with him in certain areas, and he was later diagnosed with autism. If I'd have given him the MMR, I would have undoubtedly blamed that (and myself for giving it to him) but having not given it to him and him still being diagnosed with autism, it could well be down to the timings of the jab being due and symptoms of autism appearing.

    However, after hearing people talking about how their child regressed after being given the MMR, then it does make me wonder whether there's something in the MMR that autistic children react with, but it's perfectly harmless to children that don't have autism.

    But as there is no definitive proof either way, I'd say as a parent, you always have to do what you think is best for your child

    eek;6642262

    But that was after having the MMR not BECAUSE of having the MMR.While it … But that was after having the MMR not BECAUSE of having the MMR.While it is possible that the two are related and you believe that they are related that is not proof that they are related. How do you know it wasn't triggered by a food allergy, knock on head.......


    because it was very soon after having the mmr & he hadn't eaten anything different & hadn't had a knock on the head :?

    cheerleader;6642337

    because it was very soon after having the mmr & he hadn't eaten anything … because it was very soon after having the mmr & he hadn't eaten anything different & hadn't had a knock on the head :?

    this is the Post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy. Just because one event happened after another doesn't mean that it caused it.
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