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it was rumoured for a long time 12TF RDNA 2 7NM+ holy cow that's more powerful than a RTX 2080 super. And that card alone is £620 on Amazon
Justsuperman24/02/2020 17:06

it was rumoured for a long time 12TF RDNA 2 7NM+ holy cow that's more …it was rumoured for a long time 12TF RDNA 2 7NM+ holy cow that's more powerful than a RTX 2080 super. And that card alone is £620 on Amazon


it needs to be as gpu come out every couple of years, consoles dont, the 3080 will be out in summer so it will already be old tech. only saving factor is consoles are optermised alot better..
Bargainhead24/02/2020 18:03

it needs to be as gpu come out every couple of years, consoles dont, the …it needs to be as gpu come out every couple of years, consoles dont, the 3080 will be out in summer so it will already be old tech. only saving factor is consoles are optermised alot better..


That and this will most likely be £500 for the entire unit the GPU is £620 alone so it's mega vaule for money
Great specs, should be an exciting gen.
And the cross buy scheme is great for gamers (better than that limited time £10 scheme from this gen), CD PR are on board...
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Justsuperman24/02/2020 18:18

That and this will most likely be £500 for the entire unit the GPU is £620 …That and this will most likely be £500 for the entire unit the GPU is £620 alone so it's mega vaule for money



measuring teraflops in terms of power is daft, both the RTX 2080 and the Vega 56 have 10 TF’s those two cards are worlds apart. There’s very little chance this will match the 2080 unless they price themselves out of existence. Without specs and clock speeds the 12TF is just a marketing number, I was expecting some more details when they said the specs were released
Dannyrobbo24/02/2020 18:46

measuring teraflops in terms of power is daft, both the RTX 2080 and the …measuring teraflops in terms of power is daft, both the RTX 2080 and the Vega 56 have 10 TF’s those two cards are worlds apart. There’s very little chance this will match the 2080 unless they price themselves out of existence. Without specs and clock speeds the 12TF is just a marketing number, I was expecting some more details when they said the specs were released


Do you realise this is 7nm+ EUV and brand new RDNA2 with huge per watt performance gains this will 100% beat a 2080 super. pc guys are so salty it's unreal I'm a pc guy myself own a 5700XT with RDNA 1. and it's a beast @ 9.75TF it's only 1% behind the 2070 super founders edition. AMD have made huge gains over RDNA 1.
Dannyrobbo24/02/2020 18:46

measuring teraflops in terms of power is daft, both the RTX 2080 and the …measuring teraflops in terms of power is daft, both the RTX 2080 and the Vega 56 have 10 TF’s those two cards are worlds apart. There’s very little chance this will match the 2080 unless they price themselves out of existence. Without specs and clock speeds the 12TF is just a marketing number, I was expecting some more details when they said the specs were released


Also it's 56 CU's and 12 RDNA 2 TF.. the price will be £500. Microsoft won't be paying anywhere near consumer level prices they are buying the parts in the millions
Justsuperman24/02/2020 18:52

Do you realise this is 7nm+ EUV and brand new RDNA2 with huge per watt …Do you realise this is 7nm+ EUV and brand new RDNA2 with huge per watt performance gains this will 100% beat a 2080 super. pc guys are so salty it's unreal I'm a pc guy myself own a 5700XT with RDNA 1. and it's a beast @ 9.75TF it's only 1% behind the 2070 super founders edition. AMD have made huge gains over RDNA 1.



you are talking purely theoretical since there’s no actual specs listed, amd always nail the teraflop number but it doesn’t mean anything. No clock speed, no compute units just marketing material. It’s a console dude there’s no secret sauce it’s got to be affordable there’s absolutely zero chance they are packing a top of the line PC video card for under £500. Why do you think they’ve floated a “12 TF” APU number without getting into the details? A teraflop is a measure of calculations not performance, a handy number for bitcoin mining but means very little in gaming.
Dannyrobbo24/02/2020 19:08

you are talking purely theoretical since there’s no actual specs listed, a …you are talking purely theoretical since there’s no actual specs listed, amd always nail the teraflop number but it doesn’t mean anything. No clock speed, no compute units just marketing material. It’s a console dude there’s no secret sauce it’s got to be affordable there’s absolutely zero chance they are packing a top of the line PC video card for under £500. Why do you think they’ve floated a “12 TF” APU number without getting into the details? A teraflop is a measure of calculations not performance, a handy number for bitcoin mining but means very little in gaming.


Dude the Xbox one X was 6TF GCN APU with the same performance as a RX 580 which was 6.17TF and that's a stand alone GPU there isn't much difference and that's a fact. digital Foundry confirmed it matches RX 580 performance so speaking of 12tf it does indicate enough to see what kind of performance we are gonna get gaming.. this is more advanced than a 5700XT and that pretty much matches a 2070 super. what makes you think a more advanced architecture like RDNA2 with raw 12TF isn't gonna beat a 2080 super on 14nm. Mark my words this will be a beast of a console look at the design it's a mini pc now with advanced cooling.
Justsuperman24/02/2020 19:15

Dude the Xbox one X was 6TF GCN APU with the same performance as a RX 580 …Dude the Xbox one X was 6TF GCN APU with the same performance as a RX 580 which was 6.17TF and that's a stand alone GPU there isn't much difference and that's a fact. digital Foundry confirmed it matches RX 580 performance so speaking of 12tf it does indicate enough to see what kind of performance we are gonna get gaming.. this is more advanced than a 5700XT and that pretty much matches a 2070 super. what makes you think a more advanced architecture like RDNA2 with raw 12TF isn't gonna beat a 2080 super on 14nm. Mark my words this will be a beast of a console look at the design it's a mini pc now with advanced cooling.



because 12TF means nothing in terms of performance, AMD cards always have better values in TF then just don’t perform on par with their Nvidia counterparts. The 580 is more than 6tf but barely outperforms 4tf The nvidia 1060. I hope you are right and they can get all this included for under £500 but I really really doubt it.

again the two cards listed 5700xt and the 2070, the AMD is 9.75 TF and the 2070 7.5. It means absolutely nothing but a number for the marketing team
Edited by: "Dannyrobbo" 24th Feb
Dannyrobbo24/02/2020 19:42

because 12TF means nothing in terms of performance, AMD cards always have …because 12TF means nothing in terms of performance, AMD cards always have better values in TF then just don’t perform on par with their Nvidia counterparts. The 580 is more than 6tf but barely outperforms 4tf The nvidia 1060. I hope you are right and they can get all this included for under £500 but I really really doubt it.


Not anymore. This is what I'm trying to get at... You're taking about an old architecture CGN Polaris not Navi 7nm EUV RDNA2. also RDNA 1 5700XT is 9.75TF 2070 super is 9.1TF so not world's apart anymore also RDNA 2 will close the gap and may even beat it. Navi is a different beast to old GCN. Even if it hits 2080 super performance levels that's an absolute steal for Everything included console which is APU PSU cooling SSD controller ect..
Justsuperman24/02/2020 19:47

Not anymore. This is what I'm trying to get at... You're taking about an …Not anymore. This is what I'm trying to get at... You're taking about an old architecture CGN Polaris not Navi 7nm EUV RDNA2. also RDNA 1 5700XT is 9.75TF 2070 super is 9.1TF so not world's apart anymore also RDNA 2 will close the gap and may even beat it. Navi is a different beast to old GCN. Even if it hits 2080 super performance levels that's an absolute steal for Everything included console which is APU PSU cooling SSD controller ect..



I agree with you I hope it matches 2080 because the higher bar makes gaming better for everybody but I just doubt the marketing otherwise they’d have actually listed the specs not just a high (useless) number to throw around that will make people believe this thing is more powerful that it is.
Dannyrobbo24/02/2020 19:51

I agree with you I hope it matches 2080 because the higher bar makes …I agree with you I hope it matches 2080 because the higher bar makes gaming better for everybody but I just doubt the marketing otherwise they’d have actually listed the specs not just a high (useless) number to throw around that will make people believe this thing is more powerful that it is.


Guess we will see for sure I read somewhere that it's 56cu's @ 1.6-1.7ghz which is very good for Apu this thing will need good cooling atleast the CPU is desktop class now not horrible mobile rubbish in PS4 and Xbox 1. ZEN2 is a great CPU.. also we also have to factor in the optimization for console will be superior than pc don't get me wrong I'm staying pc and not buying Xbox series X as I can play all Xbox games on pc and my pc is a decent rig
Justsuperman24/02/2020 19:56

Guess we will see for sure I read somewhere that it's 56cu's @ 1.6-1.7ghz …Guess we will see for sure I read somewhere that it's 56cu's @ 1.6-1.7ghz which is very good for Apu this thing will need good cooling atleast the CPU is desktop class now not horrible mobile rubbish in PS4 and Xbox 1. ZEN2 is a great CPU.. also we also have to factor in the optimization for console will be superior than pc don't get me wrong I'm staying pc and not buying Xbox series X as I can play all Xbox games on pc and my pc is a decent rig



i just have a dislike that we are down to comparing a totally useless number. Get the standard 1070 (7.5TF) benchmarked against the 5700xt (9.75TF) over 2 TF’s and It comes out worse in most tests. We can cut it some slack because it’s cheaper but it just highlights how that number is just a marketing term, I’m glad AMD are challenging more to both Intel and Nvidia it’s about time!
Dannyrobbo24/02/2020 20:05

i just have a dislike that we are down to comparing a totally useless …i just have a dislike that we are down to comparing a totally useless number. Get the standard 1070 (7.5TF) benchmarked against the 5700xt (9.75TF) over 2 TF’s and It comes out worse in most tests. We can cut it some slack because it’s cheaper but it just highlights how that number is just a marketing term, I’m glad AMD are challenging more to both Intel and Nvidia it’s about time!


Where have you seen that? because that's false 5700XT is hugely more powerful than a 1070?
Justsuperman24/02/2020 20:07

Where have you seen that? because that's false 5700XT is hugely more …Where have you seen that? because that's false 5700XT is hugely more powerful than a 1070? [Video]



sorry that was a typo 2070

Link 1Link 2Link 3 There isn’t a great deal in it but a greater than 2TF “advantage” and their die size being 7nm compared to nvidia’s 12nm it’s clearly very inefficient.
Edited by: "Dannyrobbo" 24th Feb
Dannyrobbo24/02/2020 20:18

sorry that was a typo 2070Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 There isn’t a great deal in …sorry that was a typo 2070Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 There isn’t a great deal in it but a greater than 2TF “advantage” and their die size being 7nm compared to nvidia’s 12nm it’s clearly very inefficient.


Thought so yes and true but 5700XT is always £50-£75 cheaper for what 1-2% gains? not worth it
Justsuperman24/02/2020 22:59

Thought so yes and true but 5700XT is always £50-£75 cheaper for what 1-2% …Thought so yes and true but 5700XT is always £50-£75 cheaper for what 1-2% gains? not worth it



The point being 12 teraflops isn’t a spec when with AMD cards this number is always inflated and it doesn’t translate to performance. An AMD card on 7nm with a 2 TF head start can only just trade blows with the Nvidia on 12nm, what do you think that performance gap is going to be when nvidia shift to a smaller die?
Dannyrobbo25/02/2020 11:21

The point being 12 teraflops isn’t a spec when with AMD cards this number i …The point being 12 teraflops isn’t a spec when with AMD cards this number is always inflated and it doesn’t translate to performance. An AMD card on 7nm with a 2 TF head start can only just trade blows with the Nvidia on 12nm, what do you think that performance gap is going to be when nvidia shift to a smaller die?


The 2070 Super's 9.068 TF vs 5700 XT's 9.75 TF is pretty much on par.

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Considering RDNA 2 is rumored to be 50% more efficient and 2.25 TF more I think we will see closer to 2080 Ti performance.
Dannyrobbo25/02/2020 11:21

The point being 12 teraflops isn’t a spec when with AMD cards this number i …The point being 12 teraflops isn’t a spec when with AMD cards this number is always inflated and it doesn’t translate to performance. An AMD card on 7nm with a 2 TF head start can only just trade blows with the Nvidia on 12nm, what do you think that performance gap is going to be when nvidia shift to a smaller die?


As gormond said mate. there isn't a 2TF difference btw.
Gormond25/02/2020 11:39

The 2070 Super's 9.068 TF vs 5700 XT's 9.75 TF is pretty much on …The 2070 Super's 9.068 TF vs 5700 XT's 9.75 TF is pretty much on par.[Image] Considering RDNA 2 is rumored to be 50% more efficient and 2.25 TF more I think we will see closer to 2080 Ti performance.


THIS. I don't think the dude gets it tbh.
Gormond25/02/2020 11:39

The 2070 Super's 9.068 TF vs 5700 XT's 9.75 TF is pretty much on …The 2070 Super's 9.068 TF vs 5700 XT's 9.75 TF is pretty much on par.[Image] Considering RDNA 2 is rumored to be 50% more efficient and 2.25 TF more I think we will see closer to 2080 Ti performance.


Justsuperman25/02/2020 12:12

As gormond said mate. there isn't a 2TF difference btw.



I’m not talking about the super I’m talking about the rtx2070 @ 7.5 teraflops

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Dannyrobbo25/02/2020 12:26

I’m not talking about the super I’m talking about the rtx2070 @ 7.5 ter …I’m not talking about the super I’m talking about the rtx2070 @ 7.5 teraflops[Image]


On average the 5700 XT is much better, the 5700 (7.9 TF) is more of a comparison to the normal 2070

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Dannyrobbo25/02/2020 12:26

I’m not talking about the super I’m talking about the rtx2070 @ 7.5 ter …I’m not talking about the super I’m talking about the rtx2070 @ 7.5 teraflops[Image]


Also the 5700XT was priced aside a 2060 so for a 5700XT to be slightly slower than the £100 more expensive 2070 super the 5700XT was way more performance per £. AMD aren't as greedy has the green they have gotten to greedy and don't offer good value for the £.
Gormond25/02/2020 12:31

On average the 5700 XT is much better, the 5700 (7.9 TF) is more of a …On average the 5700 XT is much better, the 5700 (7.9 TF) is more of a comparison to the normal 2070[Image]



There are countless comparisons that say otherwise the XT barely squares up to the standard 2070, I linked 3 above. The AMD card came out 9 months after, is on a smaller die and doesn’t come out much better, it’s just cheaper.

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Edited by: "Dannyrobbo" 25th Feb
Dannyrobbo25/02/2020 15:36

There are countless comparisons that say otherwise the XT barely squares …There are countless comparisons that say otherwise the XT barely squares up to the standard 2070, I linked 3 above. The AMD card came out 9 months after, is on a smaller die and doesn’t come out much better, it’s just cheaper.[Image]


I would never use sites like UserBenchmark that are known to be widely inaccurate, I prefer to stick to sites such as TechSpot that are known by the PC community to be reliable.

That graph is also kinda misleading, you would never test these cards at 1080p, they are heavily CPU bound at that resolution.

For example on average they show the 2070 Super being only ~ 6% faster than a 2070 when it's atleast double that at 1440p.
Gormond25/02/2020 16:20

I would never use sites like UserBenchmark that are known to be widely …I would never use sites like UserBenchmark that are known to be widely inaccurate, I prefer to stick to sites such as TechSpot that are known by the PC community to be reliable.That graph is also kinda misleading, you would never test these cards at 1080p, they are heavily CPU bound at that resolution. For example on average they show the 2070 Super being only ~ 6% faster than a 2070 when it's atleast double that at 1440p.



have a read over this I was pretty surprised when I done my last build Link

also as there’s the same at 1440 it’s no better.39982615-mbWIP.jpg
Dannyrobbo25/02/2020 16:34

have a read over this I was pretty surprised when I done my last build …have a read over this I was pretty surprised when I done my last build Link also as there’s the same at 1440 it’s no better.[Image]


What I mean by misleading is the provided numbers in the graph, She is getting the 2070 to be very close to a 2070 Super, I suspect it's due to it being a more expensive overclocked model (1860 Mhz vs 1620 Mhz) against a reference 5700 XT and 2070 Super.

For example Techspot Shadow of the Tomb Raider shows very different results when using reference cards:

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As you see at reference speeds the 5700 XT sits between the 2070 and 2070 Super.
Edited by: "Gormond" 25th Feb
Gormond25/02/2020 16:54

What I mean by misleading is the provided numbers in the graph, She is …What I mean by misleading is the provided numbers in the graph, She is getting the 2070 to be very close to a 2070 Super, I suspect it's due to it being a more expensive overclocked model (1860 Mhz vs 1620 Mhz) against a reference 5700 XT and 2070 Super.For example Techspot Shadow of the Tomb Raider shows very different results when using reference cards:[Image] As you see at reference speeds the 5700 XT sits between the 2070 and 2070 Super.



that’s my whole point though it’s even apparent from your graph (2 frame minimum difference) , the standard 2070 at 7.5 TF is comparable to an AMD card that’s came out 9 months later and clocks 9.75 TF and it’s on 7nm vs 12. There can be no denying it’s inefficient and it’s true of all AMD’s offerings, hopefully there’s some improvements with the RDNA 2 but when Nvidia push out the die shrink line the difference surely is going to be huge once again.

Teraflops are a marketing number simple as and I think AMD hook their measurements up to the same place VW do for their emissions tests.
Edited by: "Dannyrobbo" 25th Feb
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