More private then Whatsapp - Telegram messenger

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Found 5th Feb
Pure instant messaging — simple, fast, secure, and synced across all your devices. Over 100 million active users in two and a half years.

FAST: Telegram is the fastest messaging app on the market, connecting people via a unique, distributed network of data centers around the globe.

SYNCED: You can access your messages from all your devices at once. Start typing on your phone and finish the message from your tablet or laptop. Never lose your data again.

UNLIMITED: You can send media and files, without any limits on their type and size. Your entire chat history will require no disk space on your device, and will be securely stored in the Telegram cloud for as long as you need it.

SECURE: We made it our mission to provide the best security combined with ease of use. Everything on Telegram, including chats, groups, media, etc. is encrypted using a combination of 256-bit symmetric AES encryption, 2048-bit RSA encryption, and Diffie–Hellman secure key exchange.

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RELIABLE: Built to deliver your messages in the minimum bytes possible, Telegram is the most reliable messaging system ever made. It works even on the weakest mobile connections.

FUN: Telegram has powerful photo and video editing tools and an open sticker/GIF platform to cater to all your expressive needs.

SIMPLE: While providing an unprecedented array of features, we are taking great care to keep the interface clean. With its minimalist design, Telegram is lean and easy to use.

100% FREE & NO ADS: Telegram is free and will always be free. We are not going to sell ads or introduce subscription fees.

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Edward Snowden recommends Signal.
lockwoodisbored6 m ago

Edward Snowden recommends Signal.



100% for signal. I believe WhatsApp is built on Signal but Whatsapp is closed whereas Signal is open source.
There's a lot of talk allot Telegram's method of encryption being flawed:

medium.freecodecamp.org/why…1f0

Also problems with any scammer who inputs you phone number being able to add you.

I'm not a fan of any chat service that needs your phone number tbh. Seems very unnecessary.
MSK.7 m ago

There's a lot of talk allot Telegram's method of encryption being …There's a lot of talk allot Telegram's method of encryption being flawed:https://medium.freecodecamp.org/why-i-asked-my-friends-to-stop-using-whatsapp-and-telegram-e93346b3c1f0Also problems with any scammer who inputs you phone number being able to add you.I'm not a fan of any chat service that needs your phone number tbh. Seems very unnecessary.


get another payg sim?
splender58 s ago

get another payg sim?


Pure hassle. Have you ever tried that?
MSK.19 m ago

Pure hassle. Have you ever tried that?



yes, it works quite well with multiple smart devices, to get security and privacy is always a hassle, but I do agree no SIM is the best and convenient,
Edited by: "splender" 5th Feb
splender6 m ago

yes, it works quite well with multiple smart devices, to get security and …yes, it works quite well with multiple smart devices, to get security and privacy is always a hassle, but I do agree no SIM is the best and convenient,


With one phone it's more swapping than I have the energy for. I'd rather just not use the app(s). Thanks for the suggestion anyway.
splender34 m ago

get another payg sim?


How many Sims are you juggling at the moment, Splender?


splender15 m ago

yes, it works quite well with multiple smart devices, to get security and …yes, it works quite well with multiple smart devices, to get security and privacy is always a hassle, but I do agree no SIM is the best and convenient,

Saturn22 m ago

How many Sims are you juggling at the moment, Splender?



quite a few sims, different devices for different uses, Android is real bad to get data loss, with Apps having millions of permissions, cannot be bothered to swap or even be workable using a single sim for a laptop, a 2-in-1 tablet/laptop, tablet, smartphone. One sim in each device, no juggling.
Edited by: "splender" 5th Feb
Installed but not one of my 250+ contacts are using it so uninstalled
splender5 m ago

quite a few sims, different devices for different uses, Android is real …quite a few sims, different devices for different uses, Android is real bad to get data loss, with Apps having millions of permissions, cannot be bothered to swap or even be workable using a single sim for a laptop, a 2-in-1 tablet/laptop, tablet, smartphone. One sim in each device, no juggling.


Nice one.
MSK.4 h, 5 m ago

There's a lot of talk allot Telegram's method of encryption being …There's a lot of talk allot Telegram's method of encryption being flawed:https://medium.freecodecamp.org/why-i-asked-my-friends-to-stop-using-whatsapp-and-telegram-e93346b3c1f0Also problems with any scammer who inputs you phone number being able to add you.I'm not a fan of any chat service that needs your phone number tbh. Seems very unnecessary.


I believe KIK messenger doesn't require a number and is a pretty decent rival to whatsapp but as with all other chat apps... Your contacts won't have it on their mobile.
Joey.Bloggsy8 m ago

I believe KIK messenger doesn't require a number and is a pretty decent …I believe KIK messenger doesn't require a number and is a pretty decent rival to whatsapp but as with all other chat apps... Your contacts won't have it on their mobile.


I used Kik on occasion, but I find it extremely buggy and I resent how much space it takes up. I don't think it has true end to end encryption either?

I don't use chat services very much at all these days, to be honest.
An interesting development which was posted by Bloomberg news.

bloomberg.com/vie…ram

Pavel Durov, the founder of Telegram, published the FSB letter on Vkontakte, the popular Russian Facebook clone that he also founded but no longer controls. In the document, helpfully translated into broken English because the company behind Telegram is registered in the U.K., the intelligence service tells the messenger that it is obliged under a Russian law passed last year to hand over keys allowing the government to decrypt any communications transmitted over it -- and is already in violation of the law for not having done so. This is the same law that threatens Facebook and Twitter with closure in Russia next year until they start storing Russians' personal data inside the country; Twitter has promised to localize its operation by mid-2018, Facebook hasn't told the Russian authorities anything yet.

The FSB is taking the legal route, which is likely to lead to a court case against the quasi-Russian entity, as a warning for the likes of Facebook and Twitter. It must let them know they can't get away with flaunting the draconian information security law. Telegram, with its claims of extra security and neutrality, is the ideal target for such a demonstration.




davewave49 m ago

An interesting development which was posted by Bloomberg …An interesting development which was posted by Bloomberg news.https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-09-28/russia-wants-to-make-an-example-of-telegramPavel Durov, the founder of Telegram, published the FSB letter on Vkontakte, the popular Russian Facebook clone that he also founded but no longer controls. In the document, helpfully translated into broken English because the company behind Telegram is registered in the U.K., the intelligence service tells the messenger that it is obliged under a Russian law passed last year to hand over keys allowing the government to decrypt any communications transmitted over it -- and is already in violation of the law for not having done so. This is the same law that threatens Facebook and Twitter with closure in Russia next year until they start storing Russians' personal data inside the country; Twitter has promised to localize its operation by mid-2018, Facebook hasn't told the Russian authorities anything yet. The FSB is taking the legal route, which is likely to lead to a court case against the quasi-Russian entity, as a warning for the likes of Facebook and Twitter. It must let them know they can't get away with flaunting the draconian information security law. Telegram, with its claims of extra security and neutrality, is the ideal target for such a demonstration.


Is it any different here?
MSK.26 m ago

Is it any different here?


Let's see. One is a Draconian regime with intrusive mass surveillance and communications interception, the other is Russia.
1. More private
2. Then Whatsapp
3. ????
4. Private
davewave1 h, 55 m ago

An interesting development which was posted by Bloomberg …An interesting development which was posted by Bloomberg news.https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-09-28/russia-wants-to-make-an-example-of-telegramPavel Durov, the founder of Telegram, published the FSB letter on Vkontakte, the popular Russian Facebook clone that he also founded but no longer controls. In the document, helpfully translated into broken English because the company behind Telegram is registered in the U.K., the intelligence service tells the messenger that it is obliged under a Russian law passed last year to hand over keys allowing the government to decrypt any communications transmitted over it -- and is already in violation of the law for not having done so. This is the same law that threatens Facebook and Twitter with closure in Russia next year until they start storing Russians' personal data inside the country; Twitter has promised to localize its operation by mid-2018, Facebook hasn't told the Russian authorities anything yet. The FSB is taking the legal route, which is likely to lead to a court case against the quasi-Russian entity, as a warning for the likes of Facebook and Twitter. It must let them know they can't get away with flaunting the draconian information security law. Telegram, with its claims of extra security and neutrality, is the ideal target for such a demonstration.



They're ALL flippin spying on everything we do, the whole flippin lot of them, and it's ruining the net.

We can't get sites that were not so long ago very, very easy to access, and I'm talking about good research sites for the benefit of university students.
One of my daughters found it nigh impossible to locate sites she'd been using all through university, fortunately she's fluent in German and was able to access some of the stuff that was once easily accessible here.

Don't mind them keeping an eye on would be terrorist types, or even clamping down on porn and gambling sites, but educational and informational sites - what the heck are they playing at?
Edited by: "tryn2help" 5th Feb
chocci5 h, 47 m ago

Installed but not one of my 250+ contacts are using it so uninstalled



I had exactly the same problem.

A lot of the younger generation use it, but most of my contacts are ages with myself.


I use something called Kakao Talk.
My South Korean friends introduced me to it, as, in their opinion, it's far better than WhatsApp or Telegram, and more convenient than Skype.
There's nine hours between us, so we can only call (it's totally free, Yay!) each other first thing in the morning or last thing at night.
Only downside to Kakao is same problem with Telegram - hardly any contacts on it.
Foolproof.
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tryn2help12 m ago

They're ALL flippin spying on everything we do, the whole flippin lot of …They're ALL flippin spying on everything we do, the whole flippin lot of them, and it's ruining the net. We can't get sites that were not so long ago very, very easy to access, and I'm talking about good research sites for the benefit of university students. One of my daughters found it nigh impossible to locate sites she'd been using all through university, fortunately she's fluent in German and was able to access some of the stuff that was once easily accessible here.Don't mind them keeping an eye on would be terrorist types, or even clamping down on porn and gambling sites, but educational and informational sites - what the heck are they playing at?


how do you mean, what sort of innocent sites are blocked?
davewave12 m ago

how do you mean, what sort of innocent sites are blocked?



Not so much blocked, but much, much harder to find.

I don't understand the whole thing myself, but it seems whenever you search for something you get selected sites, and no matter how much you reword the search it keeps putting you to these useless sites.
One of my daughters worked on a uni project throughout her time at uni - there were certain stats available from previous similar projects, which they were always able to access via google - then all of a sudden none of them could find those sites, wth?

I've found similar problems when trying to access certain sites usually relating to matters of faith, and it's the same problem - I know the sites are there, but I'm not being offered them, even when I've got the title it's often buried under a mountain of pages.
davewave31 m ago

how do you mean, what sort of innocent sites are blocked?


Lots. See here for an explanation, or here for examples.
grex91013 h, 3 m ago

1. More private2. Then Whatsapp3. ????4. Private



5. Wut?
fanpages10 h, 17 m ago

5. Wut?



Read the OP - "More private then Whatsapp".

Then wut.
grex91011 h, 51 m ago

Read the OP - "More private then Whatsapp".Then wut.




Ah... oh, yes, I read the thread description, I just couldn't tell if you were asking a question or not.

Not all private communication will be criminal or illegal, of course.
fanpages41 m ago

Ah... oh, yes, I read the thread description, I just couldn't tell if you …Ah... oh, yes, I read the thread description, I just couldn't tell if you were asking a question or not.Not all private communication will be criminal or illegal, of course.


FP - you're usually more on the ball than this. Read the thread title!
grex91013 h, 42 m ago

FP - you're usually more on the ball than this. Read the thread title!


I'm not off-the-ball, thanks.

I was with you up to your point #2 (including "then"; not "than"), I was just struggling with your line of question marks.

It obviously made sense in your head but didn't translate into text like you believed it did.
fanpages2 h, 2 m ago

I'm not off-the-ball, thanks.I was with you up to your point #2 (including …I'm not off-the-ball, thanks.I was with you up to your point #2 (including "then"; not "than"), I was just struggling with your line of question marks.It obviously made sense in your head but didn't translate into text like you believed it did.


It made no sense and wasn't really meant to.
fanpages2 h, 16 m ago

I'm not off-the-ball, thanks.I was with you up to your point #2 (including …I'm not off-the-ball, thanks.I was with you up to your point #2 (including "then"; not "than"), I was just struggling with your line of question marks.It obviously made sense in your head but didn't translate into text like you believed it did.


I think you meant to say 'but it didn't translate into text in the way you believed it did.'
davewave14 m ago

I think you meant to say 'but it didn't translate into text in the way you …I think you meant to say 'but it didn't translate into text in the way you believed it did.'



No, I didn't. The second use of the same pronoun was superfluous in that sentence.
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