More Tube Strikes for London Central Line

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Found 15th Feb
Arrgh, more strike action on the way for Londers

At 9 pm on Tuesday, 21 February. drivers are set to up sticks for 24 hours.
This time its due to a "Forced" transfer of drivers away from their home depots, which basically means they have to travel further for work and have no say.

"RMT leaders say it is being done without agreement – a claim robustly denied by London Underground (LU)."

It will obviously cause massive disruption and leave hundreds and thousands of passengers extremely annoyed as they will have to make other plans for their commute.

"The Waterloo & City line - known as The Drain - between mainline Waterloo and Bank stations and which uses the same pool of drivers could also be disrupted or forced to close."

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meh as long as they are behaving tomorrow i dont really care lol

Up the workers!

Ok this is becoming reminiscent of the 1970's car industry now.
If they have free Tube transport to the other depot, i cant see a problem?

The union would be better fighting to state that the extra travel time will be included in the working hours rather than trying to defeat it entirely. More encouragement for automated services i'm afraid - it will come, and sooner than they think if they keep striking.

Automated service? Who will evacuate the train in an emergency then??

shakeelgoulthorp

Automated service? Who will evacuate the train in an emergency then??


passengers

I agree with their strike then, TFL jobs are advertised based on depot location and there's not that many of them

davewave

passengers



Zap, zap and there goes another one on the live rail, send a search party out for the 12 people who made a wong turn and stumbled down a disused line etc

118luke

Ok this is becoming reminiscent of the 1970's car industry now.If they … Ok this is becoming reminiscent of the 1970's car industry now.If they have free Tube transport to the other depot, i cant see a problem?The union would be better fighting to state that the extra travel time will be included in the working hours rather than trying to defeat it entirely. More encouragement for automated services i'm afraid - it will come, and sooner than they think if they keep striking.



What about when they are the first or last train. No one should be transferred without a say especially if it was never part of the agreement when the job was taken.

Error440

Zap, zap and there goes another one on the live rail, send a search party … Zap, zap and there goes another one on the live rail, send a search party out for the 12 people who made a wong turn and stumbled down a disused line etc


impossible to implement driverless trains, never been done before?

In a Grade of Automation 4 (GoA4) system like the Copenhagen Metro, trains are capable of operating automatically at all times, including door closing, obstacle detection and emergency situations. On-board staff may be provided for other purposes, e.g. customer service, but are not required for safe operation.


Grade of Automation 4 Systems

These systems are capable of unattended train operation (UTO), although some operators may choose to staff trains anyway.

Europe[edit]
Denmark Copenhagen Metro - line 1, line 2 - Ansaldo STS / AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro.
Spain Barcelona Metro line 9 - Siemens Trainguard MT CBTC
Spain Barcelona Metro line 10- Siemens Trainguard MT CBTC
Italy Turin Metro Line M1 - VAL type system - opened in section 1 on 4 February 2006 for the 2006 Winter Olympics, completed in 2014. First fully automatic metro in Italy.
Italy Rome Metro Line C - Ansaldo STS / AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro - opened in 2015
Italy Milan Metro Line 5 - Ansaldo STS / AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro - opened in 2013
Italy Brescia Metro - Ansaldo STS / AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro - opened in 2015
United Kingdom London Gatwick Airport -Innovia APM 100 inter-terminal people mover built by Bombardier Transportation
United Kingdom London Stansted Airport Transit System inter-terminal people mover using Bombardier Innovia APM
France Paris Métro Line 14 - opened on 15 October 1998 - Siemens Trainguard MT CBTC
France Paris Métro Line 15 - To be completed in 2030
France Paris Métro Line 1 - Upgraded from manual operation with first GoA4 trains operating in mixed mode (driven trains and driverless trains) from 3 November 2011. Last manually driven train was removed by end of 2012 - Siemens CBTC
France Orlyval - opened on 2 October 1991 between Antony and Orly-Sud - VAL system.
France CDGVAL - VAL system.
France Rennes Metro - VAL system.
France Toulouse Metro - VAL system.
France Lille Metro - inaugurated on 25 April 1983, the first using the VAL system.
France Lyon Metro Line D Rubber-tyred trains controlled by a system known as MAGGALY (Métro Automatique à Grand Gabarit de l’Agglomération Lyonnaise). - Siemens Trainguard MT CBTC
Germany Nuremberg U-Bahn - U2, U21 and U3 lines.
Switzerland Lausanne Metro - line M2, by Alstom Urbalis
Hungary Budapest Metro - Line 4 [3]
North America[edit]

AirTrain JFK system

Vancouver Skytrain system
United States Airport Transit System at O'Hare International Airport in Chicago, Illinois - VAL system.
United States AirTrain at San Francisco International Airport in San Francisco, California
United States Detroit People Mover in Detroit, Michigan
United States JTA Skyway in Jacksonville, Florida
United States TPA Monorail and Shuttle at Tampa International Airport in Tampa, Florida
United States ExpressTram at Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Airport in Romulus, Michigan
United States AirTrain JFK in Jamaica, New York
United States AeroTrain at Washington Dulles International Airport in Sterling, Virginia
United States ATL Skytrain at Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport in Atlanta, Georgia
United States The Plane Train at Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport in Atlanta, Georgia
United States Metromover in Miami, Florida
United States Morgantown Personal Rapid Transit in Morgantown, West Virginia
United States Las Vegas Monorail in Las Vegas, Nevada
United States Denver International Airport Automated Guideway Transit System at Denver International Airport in Denver, Colorado
United States Satellite Transit System at Seattle–Tacoma International Airport in SeaTac, Washington
Canada SkyTrain in Vancouver, British Columbia — the longest driverless network in the world. [4]
Canada LINK Train at Toronto Pearson International Airport in Toronto, Ontario
South America[edit]
Brazil São Paulo Metro Line 4 - Yellow - Siemens Trainguard MT CBTC
Brazil São Paulo Metro Future Line 6 - Orange
Brazil São Paulo Metro Line 15 - Silver
Brazil São Paulo Metro Future Line 17 - Gold
Peru Lima Metro Line 2, by AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro
Peru Lima Metro Line 4, by AnsaldoBreda Driverless Metro
Asia[edit]

Rapid KL - Sungai Buloh-Kajang Line, one of the train that operate in fully automated, driverless train.
Hong Kong Hong Kong – Disneyland Resort Line. Most trains have an attendant on board.
Hong Kong Hong Kong – South Island Line (East) - UTO by Alstom Urbalis
India Delhi – Pink Line (Delhi Metro) Under construction, inauguration scheduled for early 2017; initially with an attendant on board.
India Delhi – Magenta Line (Delhi Metro) Under construction, inauguration scheduled for early 2017; initially with an attendant on board.
Malaysia Kuala Lumpur – Rapid KL – Sungai Buloh-Kajang Line – Cityflo 650 CBTC
Malaysia Kuala Lumpur – Rapid KL – Sungai Buloh-Serdang-Putrajaya Line – Cityflo 650 CBTC – Expected to open by 2021. Currently under construction.
Malaysia Kuala Lumpur – Rapid KL – Circle Line – Cityflo 650 CBTC – Expected to commence operations in the mid-2020s.
Malaysia Kuala Lumpur – Rapid KL – Kelana Jaya Line – SelTrac CBTC – Commenced operations in 1998.
Malaysia Kuala Lumpur – Rapid KL – Bandar Utama-Klang Line – SelTrac CBTC – Expected to commence operations by 2020.
Malaysia Kuala Lumpur – KLIA Aerotrain – Bombardier Innovia APM 100
Philippines Manila LRT Line 2
Singapore Singapore – Bukit Panjang LRT Line by Bombardier CITYFLO 550
Singapore Singapore – Sengkang LRT Line
Singapore Singapore – Punggol LRT Line
Singapore Singapore – Changi Airport Skytrain
Singapore Singapore – North East MRT Line by Alstom Urbalis 300
Singapore Singapore – Circle MRT Line by Alstom Urbalis 300
Singapore Singapore – Downtown MRT Line by Siemens Trainguard Sirius CBTC
United Arab Emirates Dubai Metro the longest driverless network in Asia
South Korea Busan-Gimhae Light Rail Transit
South Korea Busan Subway Line 4
South Korea Daegu - Daegu Metro Line 3
South Korea Incheon - Incheon Airport Maglev
South Korea Incheon - Incheon Subway Line 2
South Korea Seoul - Shinbundang Line
South Korea Uijeongbu - U Line
South Korea Yongin - Everline
Japan Tokyo - Yurikamome
Japan Tokyo - Nippori-Toneri Liner
Japan Yokohama - Kanazawa Seaside Line
Japan Nagoya - Linimo (Commuter Maglev, built for Expo 2005)
Japan Osaka - Nanko Port Town Line
Japan Kobe - Kobe New Transit (world's first GoA4 line)
Japan Hiroshima - Skyrail Midorizaka Line (People Mover monorail)
Taiwan Taipei Metro Brown Line (Wenshan Line and Neihu Line). Each trains have an attendant on board, has been started gradually reduce attendant until Sep. 2017, will only keep on long tunnel section.
China Shanghai Metro Line 10 by Alstom Urbalis. Operated with a driver in a cab.
China Beijing Metro Yanfang Line - planned [5]

These Union types have poor tactics, all they will do is pi$$ off and disrupt the commuters. Much better to run the underground as per normal but refuse to take any payment, that would send a stronger messages to the Management.

DKLS

These Union types have poor tactics, all they will do is pi$$ off and … These Union types have poor tactics, all they will do is pi$$ off and disrupt the commuters. Much better to run the underground as per normal but refuse to take any payment, that would send a stronger messages to the Management.


That would, of course, give Management the perfect opportunity to sack anyone who wasn't doing their job as they should. It's probably just as well that you're not a union negotiator or else all of your members (and you) would soon be out of work.

shakeelgoulthorp

Automated service? Who will evacuate the train in an emergency then??



You obviously haven't been many places then. They are in regular use, every single day right across the globe.

118luke

You obviously haven't been many places then. They are in regular use, … You obviously haven't been many places then. They are in regular use, every single day right across the globe.



Most Underground's around the world are not a maze of tunnels built over 100 years ago with unused tunnels and stations. You'd have to wiegh up the cost of trying to enforce some level of health and safety on pitch black tunnels, some of which being only a few inches wider then the trains traveling in them and the lack of air conditioning causing those tunnels to be sweatboxes and home to unique species.

Error440

What about when they are the first or last train. No one should be … What about when they are the first or last train. No one should be transferred without a say especially if it was never part of the agreement when the job was taken.



London Underground is edging towards 24/7 running.
See: Night Tube
(Probably hasn't yet been fully implemented because of strike threats). But i don't see a depot transfer as a valid reason for a strike, no more than a factory closing down and relocating elsewhere.
Again, if they are so concerned - a staff bus or even public bus could take them to the depot (much like bus companies do).
Im not against strikes for genuine causes (where the management is clearly abusing the workers or putting them at risk), but this is a bit petty. Both sides should be flexible.

Error440

Most Underground's around the world are not a maze of tunnels built over … Most Underground's around the world are not a maze of tunnels built over 100 years ago with unused tunnels and stations. You'd have to wiegh up the cost of trying to enforce some level of health and safety on pitch black tunnels, some of which being only a few inches wider then the trains traveling in them and the lack of air conditioning causing those tunnels to be sweatboxes and home to unique species.



It might be difficult but its far from impossible to do. There are some highly advanced automated systems that are very complex working to very precise co-ordinates in industry (i know, i work on them for a living).
It wouldnt be the easiest thing to automate, but it would be much easier to do than an automated car i assure you.

118luke

It might be difficult but its far from impossible to do. There are some … It might be difficult but its far from impossible to do. There are some highly advanced automated systems that are very complex working to very precise co-ordinates in industry (i know, i work on them for a living).It wouldnt be the easiest thing to automate, but it would be much easier to do than an automated car i assure you.



I'm nit referring to the automation but on the lack of staff to guide passengers off the trains to safety.

davewave

passengers



So will the passengers know how to block the line and isolate the DC rails then?
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