Posted 25th Nov 2021
Hi
Ongoing issues with my mother's neighbour regarding encrouchment.
Anyone know who will deal with this flue? The boundary line is like 5 - 10 cm from his wall, according to our surveyor so part of his foundation, gutter etc is on my mother's land.

I want to begin with the flue, which itself is on my mums side, let alone the blowing of carbon monoxide, anyone know who handles this, my mother is elderly.
Thanks

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Just to put you at ease, I think flues only expel CO when they're not working correctly.
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    Assume you've done the talking to them?

    Try council building regs - there are rules for flue positions.
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    Just to put you at ease, I think flues only expel CO when they're not working correctly.
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    They could have installed a vertical flue from the boiler.
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    dipsylalapo25/11/2021 12:49

    Just to put you at ease, I think flues only expel CO when they're not …Just to put you at ease, I think flues only expel CO when they're not working correctly.


    yeah, it's carbon dioxide that comes out of the flue.
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    I'd be more concerned with (any) condensate drain, which if dumped onto mother's path / paved area may result in icerink effect in winter. Probably of less concern if dumped onto lawn / border.
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    AndyRoyd25/11/2021 13:46

    I'd be more concerned with (any) condensate drain, which if dumped onto …I'd be more concerned with (any) condensate drain, which if dumped onto mother's path / paved area may result in icerink effect in winter. Probably of less concern if dumped onto lawn / border.


    doesn't the condensate need to drain to a soil pipe directly into the sewerage system, or at the very least a lime soakaway. The picture shows a plastic drain pipe but not where the outlet goes.
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    paulj4825/11/2021 14:00

    doesn't the condensate need to drain to a soil pipe directly into the …doesn't the condensate need to drain to a soil pipe directly into the sewerage system, or at the very least a lime soakaway. The picture shows a plastic drain pipe but not where the outlet goes.


    Depends when the boiler was installed, who installed it, and who has maintained it...
    All good food for thought for OP.
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    this won't fall under land boundary dispute. you will only be able to force the reposition of the flue pipe if it dangerous and is not sited correctly.

    you could get a gas engineer to report on whether the position is against gas safe regulations and then report this to the gas safe board and ask them to enforce its repositioning.
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    We had the same problem with a neighbours kitchen extractor, spoke to them saying particularly in the summer as windows are open, we get all your cooking smells in the house, said i could force the issue and reminded him of the number of times we've let builders use my access, when they've not really told us or been neighbourly, he had a new extractor fitted through the roof, all good, they are still not great neighbours though,

    Just to add, i did say to him i could easily with a few bits if wood, box in/block the vent to prevent it working without touching his wall or extractor, and he'd soon notice the difference in his kitchen and possibly destroy his extractor also
    Edited by: "sidhoooooo" 25th Nov
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    Beauregard25/11/2021 15:02

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    lol. an extractor fan only extracts smells from the cooking so i doubt the neighbour would die

    if it was a boiler flue then any such threats would be considered criminal.
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    I doubt very much there is anything wrong with the postioning of the vent.

    Best solution would be to ask if they could fit some sort of vent cap/plate that would stop the exhaust travelling towards your mothers building. I am sure something must exist but best speak to a gas engineer.
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    Beauregard25/11/2021 15:10

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    then the neighbour needs to learn to cook without burning the dinners
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    Surely the boiler would have to be faulty and your mum actually breathing in the fumes directly from the flue for there to be an issue with carbon monoxide. That's why flues vent into the open air.
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    sidhoooooo25/11/2021 14:09

    We had the same problem with a neighbours kitchen extractor, spoke to them …We had the same problem with a neighbours kitchen extractor, spoke to them saying particularly in the summer as windows are open, we get all your cooking smells in the house, said i could force the issue and reminded him of the number of times we've let builders use my access, when they've not really told us or been neighbourly, he had a new extractor fitted through the roof, all good, they are still not great neighbours though,Just to add, i did say to him i could easily with a few bits if wood, box in/block the vent to prevent it working without touching his wall or extractor, and he'd soon notice the difference in his kitchen and possibly destroy his extractor also


    I can see why they're not neighbourly to be honest.
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    mutley125/11/2021 14:08

    this won't fall under land boundary dispute. you will only be able to …this won't fall under land boundary dispute. you will only be able to force the reposition of the flue pipe if it dangerous and is not sited correctly.you could get a gas engineer to report on whether the position is against gas safe regulations and then report this to the gas safe board and ask them to enforce its repositioning.



    "this won't fall under land boundary dispute"

    Why not, other than aviation and mining rights the deal is you own the space "Between heaven and hell". It's like a tree branch overhanging your fence, if it's actually in the space you own tell them to trim it back to the boundary. You might want to park a caravan there to within 0.1mm of the boundary.
    Edited by: "joyf4536" 25th Nov
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    I'm fairly sure that is a Heatline boiler, pretty much the cheapest one you can possibly buy! That usually gives a good indication it was never fitted buy a gas safe installer, or if it was, it was never registered with building control.

    heatline.co.uk/wp-…pdf

    Page 16 of the manual (J) says 600mm minimum distance for a terminal facing a boundary. That's a pretty standard clearance for all boilers. You can't have "nuisance plumage" regardless of distance. It will be producing Carbon Monoxide btw, all boilers do (although I wouldn't worry about it unless you were sticking your face near the flue regularly).

    The easiest thing would be to try and get your them to fit a plume management kit then forget about it. If the neighbours weren't being neighbourly the first thing I'd do is block the condensate pipe...
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    joyf453625/11/2021 17:43

    "this won't fall under land boundary dispute"Why not, other than aviation …"this won't fall under land boundary dispute"Why not, other than aviation and mining rights the deal is you own the space "Between heaven and hell". It's like a tree branch overhanging your fence, if it's actually in the space you own tell them to trim it back to the boundary.


    i doubt any court will make a decision on a boiler flue invading a few cm into the OP's land. people have spent thousands on legal fees fighting for land infringement much more significant than this. boundary dispute is never easy and clear cut, hence the huge legal fees involved.

    i personally would not waste money to argue about a flue sticking over my land as part of a boundary disagreement.
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    mutley125/11/2021 17:47

    i doubt any court will make a decision on a boiler flue invading a few cm …i doubt any court will make a decision on a boiler flue invading a few cm into the OP's land. people have spent thousands on legal fees fighting for land infringement much more significant than this. boundary dispute is never easy and clear cut, hence the huge legal fees involved.i personally would not waste money to argue about a flue sticking over my land as part of a boundary disagreement.


    I promise you they would, if you can prove the boundary, had a similar dispute over a TV dish.
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    J_.25/11/2021 17:33

    I can see why they're not neighbourly to be honest.


    Well just to clarify they park cars on our drive, even when both houses have there are separate drives, they regularly block our cars in, tbh, we gave then access through our garden, when they had builders working recently, and i open gates for their builders when they needed access, they left our garden in a bit of state tbh, they are ok, but think they take advantage whenever they need something, not much of a please or thank you either
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    I guess this is what happens when you live on a very densely populated, small island, couped together like cattle. I just can't imagine being so perturbed by a small vent encroaching a few CM into the air above the land you own. From what I can gather, it doesn't remotely affect the property owner at all in any meaningful respect. There are better ways to spend your time (and money) than creating problems out of nothing and forcing confrontation where it's not needed. Remember you have to live next to your neighbours indefinitely, it's incredibly easy for somebody living next door to you to make your life miserable.

    Have you considered trying not to get so uppity about things that don't matter?
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    J_.25/11/2021 18:14

    I guess this is what happens when you live on a very densely populated, …I guess this is what happens when you live on a very densely populated, small island, couped together like cattle. I just can't imagine being so perturbed by a small vent encroaching a few CM into the air above the land you own. From what I can gather, it doesn't remotely affect the property owner at all in any meaningful respect. There are better ways to spend your time (and money) than creating problems out of nothing and forcing confrontation where it's not needed. Remember you have to live next to your neighbours indefinitely, it's incredibly easy for somebody living next door to you to make your life miserable.Have you considered trying not to get so uppity about things that don't matter?


    i saw a tv series called neighbours from hell, and there was one where they both spent absolute thousands over a fence that had gone about a metre into the neighbour's land. the neighbour was being petty as there was plenty of land since it was in a remote area, so not even in a densely populated area where 1m of land infringement is quite important.

    the decision went against the guy who brought the dispute and he couldn't take it, so he went over with a shovel and killed the neighbour. he ended up in jail for life so both lives were ruined over a metre of land that was of no consequence anyway.

    this is how neighbourly dispute can escalate and people lose the plot of what is important.
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    mutley125/11/2021 18:28

    i saw a tv series called neighbours from hell, and there was one where …i saw a tv series called neighbours from hell, and there was one where they both spent absolute thousands over a fence that had gone about a metre into the neighbour's land. the neighbour was being petty as there was plenty of land since it was in a remote area, so not even in a densely populated area where 1m of land infringement is quite important.the decision went against the guy who brought the dispute and he couldn't take it, so he went over with a shovel and killed the neighbour. he ended up in jail for life so both lives were ruined over a metre of land that was of no consequence anyway.this is how neighbourly dispute can escalate and people lose the plot of what is important.


    Yeah, that's pretty extreme but there are countless cases of people getting so worked up over neighbor disputes (parking spaces is the big one), that they end up assaulting somebody or destroying property with obvious motive, and subsequently end up in jail or with a criminal record.

    Most of the time the problems could have been resolved easily or simply ignored with minimal impact to any individual involved. But people get so angry over such insignificant things that, as you say, the situation can escalate very quickly into a nightmare scenario.

    I have had a similar experience myself where a neighbour accused me of stealing his bin. There was a miscommunication on my part where he text me to ask about it, and I thought the text was from a friend of the same name, so I replied rather mockingly that I'm not destitute enough to nick his bin, and why on earth would he think I stole it to begin with - lots of laughing emojis. Next thing I know he's hammering on my door, screaming so much that I don't even get a chance to explain that it was an innocent miscommunication, and I have no clue where his bin is. Ended up pushing him out of my doorway to shut the door on him. He stood out there shouting a while longer, then went back home. Next time I left the house he lobbed a full china cup of milk at my head, which incidentally missed, and flew behind me into a busy road where it smashed on a car, which he then had to explain and pay for.

    Thankfully he moved out not long after. Feel sorry for whoever lives next to him now
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    I'm no expert but I thought building regulations state that any building has to be 1 metre away from a neighbouring property? So the building itself is breaking the rules without even considering the flue.
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    DangerousBeans25/11/2021 19:41

    I'm no expert but I thought building regulations state that any building …I'm no expert but I thought building regulations state that any building has to be 1 metre away from a neighbouring property? So the building itself is breaking the rules without even considering the flue.


    How does that work in a terrace?
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    Contact both building refs and environmental health and see what they say?
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    A 2m fence might help block it out
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    hootz25/11/2021 20:57

    A 2m fence might help block it out


    Vent is supposed to be 2.1m or above
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    ask the wind to stop blowing
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    J_.25/11/2021 18:14

    I just can't imagine being so perturbed by a small vent encroaching a few …I just can't imagine being so perturbed by a small vent encroaching a few CM into the air above the land you own. From what I can gather, it doesn't remotely affect the property owner at all in any meaningful respect.


    It will if the house ever needs selling as it will put off potential purchasers who may want their own extension but cant because of the encroachment, you cant even use it as a party wall as the flue is in the way.
    Edited by: "paulj48" 26th Nov
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    Willy_Wonka25/11/2021 15:11

    I doubt very much there is anything wrong with the postioning of the vent. …I doubt very much there is anything wrong with the postioning of the vent. Best solution would be to ask if they could fit some sort of vent cap/plate that would stop the exhaust travelling towards your mothers building. I am sure something must exist but best speak to a gas engineer.


    I have had a look at this online & you should contact Building Control at your local coucil. I have read that venting directly onto your neighbours land is against the regulations.
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    joyf453625/11/2021 23:55

    A three metre fence then.


    a fence taller than 2m will need planning permission.
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    mutley126/11/2021 13:20

    a fence taller than 2m will need planning permission.


    Best just park something next to it then.
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    Willy_Wonka25/11/2021 15:11

    I doubt very much there is anything wrong with the postioning of the vent. …I doubt very much there is anything wrong with the postioning of the vent. Best solution would be to ask if they could fit some sort of vent cap/plate that would stop the exhaust travelling towards your mothers building. I am sure something must exist but best speak to a gas engineer.


    There is though. It's illegal.

    Any vent needs to be over a certain distance from neigbouring property.

    The neighbour's only defence will be if it's been there a certain period of time - I think 20+ years
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    El.Dealerino26/11/2021 13:30

    There is though. It's illegal.Any vent needs to be over a certain distance …There is though. It's illegal.Any vent needs to be over a certain distance from neigbouring property.The neighbour's only defence will be if it's been there a certain period of time - I think 20+ years


    See above
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    Condensing boiler flue? Heavily abbreviated summary from Gov / Env Health doc indicate building regs as:
    min 600mm between old skool flue & neighbour's permanent vertical fixture (building, wall, fence, etc),
    min 300mm to vertical boundary
    min 2.1m height if exiting to walkway/patio area.

    "Office of the Deputy Prime Minister" guidance for hip&cool condensing boiler flues states increased minimum of 2.5metres to neighbour's perm vert fixt to avoid possibility of statutory nuisance.

    Perform your own research assisted by contents of PDF containing pretty pix:
    southglos.gov.uk/Doc…pdf
    and
    pg 10 of webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukg…pdf
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    Don't know why people are even trying to help, OP posted the question, loads of people trying to help, and they haven't even had the decency to respond or say thanks.
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    julieallen28/11/2021 19:27

    Don't know why people are even trying to help, OP posted the question, …Don't know why people are even trying to help, OP posted the question, loads of people trying to help, and they haven't even had the decency to respond or say thanks.


    Yes I have said thanks by liking the comments that are useful, unlike yours.
    Edited by: "nevilleireland" 5th Dec
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    nevilleireland05/12/2021 07:19

    Yes I have said thanks by liking the comments that are useful, unlike …Yes I have said thanks by liking the comments that are useful, unlike yours.


    Blunt, but accurate.
    Respect for measured response.
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