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    Need a new PC - is this good value?

    Not really computer savvy - I can use them and sort out some stuff but I am no good on the hardware side.

    Basically we have a 10 year old machine which I have upgraded a bit but it is now struggling; I tried to play Bioshock on it after buying from Steam and have to have the graphics card on the minimum setting to get it to run remotely smoothly. I have been into a local shop and shown them the specs and they said that it is too out of date now to upgrade realistically for any firm of gaming or future proofing, and gave me some examples of pricing for built to order machines (no monitor, keyboard or mouse). The ones I am potentially looking at are as follows:

    Processor: AMD FX4130 Quad Core 3.8GHZ
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT
    Graphics: Gigabyte GV-R725OC (1GB)
    Memory: 4GB
    Hard Drive: 2000GB
    Disk Drive: LiteOn 24x DVDRW
    Power Supply: 500w
    Case: Evo Labs Micro ATX
    Operating System: Windows 7 or 8

    Price: £535.97

    Processor: Intel i5 Quad Core 3.1GHz
    Motherboard: ASRock H61M-DGS
    Graphics: Gigabyte GV-R725OC (1GB)
    Memory: 4GB
    Hard Drive: 2000GB
    Disk Drive: LiteOn 24x DVDRW
    Power Supply: 500w
    Case: Evo Labs Micro ATX
    Operating System: Windows 7 or 8

    Price - £625.70

    I am open to ideas but are these reasonable prices or should I be looking elsewhere? Are there any deals I should know about?

    26 Comments

    an absolute bargain considering your getting a 2000GB hard drive with them

    if you mean 2GB, then its a pretty shabby deal for both

    you could assemble a much better machine for the price purchasing the components individually

    kingtreelo

    an absolute bargain considering your getting a 2000GB hard drive with … an absolute bargain considering your getting a 2000GB hard drive with themif you mean 2GB, then its a pretty shabby deal for bothyou could assemble a much better machine for the price purchasing the components individually



    are you serious, 2000gb is 2tb, which is about £50-60

    the graphics card is rubbish, you would struggle to play decent games with it, you would ideally want 8gb ram.

    And theres no real mention of brands etc.

    But if you can build on your own, then try pc partpicker, and check it out some parts etc, look for the parts with lots of ratings.
    If you select an i5 processor, such as 4670k, you can then see what others have built around that part

    coullgfx

    are you serious, 2000gb is 2tb, which is about £50-60



    what was i thinking....doh!

    Sir I could sell you mine for £700 and it would wreck those machines x2 most likely
    My specs:
    Processor: Intel i5 3570K
    Motherboard: MSI Z77 G-43
    Graphics: XFX 7870 Tahiti LE
    Memory: 8GB Patriot Viper IEM Special Edition
    HDD: 1 TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 RPM
    Disk Drive: LiteOn 24x DVDRW
    Power Supply: Thermaltake 80+ Bronze 530W
    Case: NZXT Lexa S
    OS: Windows 7

    Or so hit me up with PM's or skype and I'l help you get sorted out.

    Edited by: "Huehuehue" 15th Jul 2014

    Original Poster

    I am not good enough to build my own if I am honest, which is why I was looking for someone to build one for me or buy one off the shelf. I won't be looking at high end gaming (until the purchases I have made of the Bioshock trilogy I went as far as Football Manager, C&C Generals and Star Wars KOTOR only), but I don't want something that is going to be completely out of date as soon as I get it either.

    There is a' high end' build that is on the list too but again I don't know if it is value for money:

    Processor: AMD FX-6350 Six Core 3.9GHz
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT
    Graphics: VTX3D 2GB Radeon R9 Dual Fan
    Memory: 8GB
    Hard Drive: 120GB SSD + 2000GB
    Disk Drive: LiteOn 24x DVDRW
    Power Supply: Cronus 750w
    Case: Aerocool Strike X Mid
    Operating System: Windows 7 or 8

    Price - £864.18

    Was really looking to spend around £600-£700 as I need monitor, keyboard and mouse as well, but if this is a good price then perhaps I am not being realistic?

    That high end isn't high end. A fx6300, 8gb of memory 270x 2gb with branded components could be built for 600 including windows 8. I spec'd and priced one for someone this weekend. True it was only a 1tb hard drive and no ssd but I could add one for 70 quid or so.

    Orinoco1

    I am not good enough to build my own if I am honest, which is why I was … I am not good enough to build my own if I am honest, which is why I was looking for someone to build one for me or buy one off the shelf. I won't be looking at high end gaming (until the purchases I have made of the Bioshock trilogy I went as far as Football Manager, C&C Generals and Star Wars KOTOR only), but I don't want something that is going to be completely out of date as soon as I get it either.There is a' high end' build that is on the list too but again I don't know if it is value for money:Processor: AMD FX-6350 Six Core 3.9GHzMotherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMTGraphics: VTX3D 2GB Radeon R9 Dual FanMemory: 8GBHard Drive: 120GB SSD + 2000GBDisk Drive: LiteOn 24x DVDRWPower Supply: Cronus 750wCase: Aerocool Strike X MidOperating System: Windows 7 or 8Price - £864.18Was really looking to spend around £600-£700 as I need monitor, keyboard and mouse as well, but if this is a good price then perhaps I am not being realistic?



    If you looked at my specs it still beats it marginally by 10 fps +, don't be hustled by some cheap extortionate trick used on old people.

    If I was spending £625 on a computer for gaming this is what I would buy, I limited myself to £625as that was the price of the top system you posted but if you have a bit more to spend you could either get a better CPU or a seperate SSD and HDD rather than the Hybrid. As long as you keep the CPU and GPU Model you could swap around the motherboard, case, GPU brand and memory brand without affecting the performance too much. This system will play any game you throw at it at 1920x1080 HQ.

    PCPartPicker part list: uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/g…mmG
    Price breakdown by merchant: uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/g…nt/

    CPU: Intel Core i3-4360 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor (£110.58 @ Scan.co.uk)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97M-HD3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£61.16 @ Scan.co.uk)
    Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£52.98 @ Ebuyer)
    Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (£56.93 @ CCL Computers)
    Video Card: Club 3D Radeon R9 280 3GB royalKing Video Card (£187.61 @ Amazon UK)
    Case: Cooler Master Elite 350 ATX Mid Tower Case w/500W Power Supply (£56.00 @ Amazon UK)
    Optical Drive: LG UH12NS30 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer (£40.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£47.50 @ Amazon UK)
    Total: £613.54
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

    You can get it for less by using other merchants but I excluded the ones I won't buy from regardless of price.

    You would have to have it built or build it yourself but is better than either of the options above for the money. Although the CPU I have chosen is not as fast as the Intel i5 Quad Core 3.1GHz it is well matched with the Graphics whereas the Intel system you posted above is unbalanced and will be much slower in games though if you were doing a lot of multitasking or encoding/decoding video with software that doesnt take advantage of GPU compute the core i5 system would be faster.

    have a look around web eg

    ebuyer.com/sto…-PC

    dabs, even currys/pc world have good deals such search around compare spec's good luck with your hunt

    Novatech have an FX-8 with SSD, 2TB disk, 8GB RAM, 2GB R9 GPU for a shade under £800 (incl Win 8.1).
    novatech.co.uk/pc/…tml
    Alternatively, swap the FX-8 for an Intel i5 and a 1 GB GTX 750 and you are under £650.
    novatech.co.uk/pc/…tml
    Building your own can usually save you a chunk of money but there is often a lot to be said for buying off the shelf with no build hitches!

    Orinoco1

    I am not good enough to build my own if I am honest, which is why I was … I am not good enough to build my own if I am honest, which is why I was looking for someone to build one for me or buy one off the shelf. I won't be looking at high end gaming (until the purchases I have made of the Bioshock trilogy I went as far as Football Manager, C&C Generals and Star Wars KOTOR only), but I don't want something that is going to be completely out of date as soon as I get it either.There is a' high end' build that is on the list too but again I don't know if it is value for money:Processor: AMD FX-6350 Six Core 3.9GHzMotherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMTGraphics: VTX3D 2GB Radeon R9 Dual FanMemory: 8GBHard Drive: 120GB SSD + 2000GBDisk Drive: LiteOn 24x DVDRWPower Supply: Cronus 750wCase: Aerocool Strike X MidOperating System: Windows 7 or 8Price - £864.18Was really looking to spend around £600-£700 as I need monitor, keyboard and mouse as well, but if this is a good price then perhaps I am not being realistic?



    I is really easy to build a PC, if you can use a screwdriver and follow instructions it's easier than putting together Ikea furniture. My 8 year old son has done it with my guidance.
    Edited by: "ZaphodBeeblebrox" 15th Jul 2014

    Try Overclockers UK they give you the option to build it for a small fee or you can do it yourself. They have a very helpful forum. Also some of there off the shelf machines are very well priced

    Neostar

    Try Overclockers UK they give you the option to build it for a small fee … Try Overclockers UK they give you the option to build it for a small fee or you can do it yourself. They have a very helpful forum. Also some of there off the shelf machines are very well priced



    Yea I like Overclockers but some here don't for some reason.

    ZaphodBeeblebrox

    If I was spending £625 on a computer for gaming this is what I would buy, … If I was spending £625 on a computer for gaming this is what I would buy, I limited myself to £625as that was the price of the top system you posted but if you have a bit more to spend you could either get a better CPU or a seperate SSD and HDD rather than the Hybrid. As long as you keep the CPU and GPU Model you could swap around the motherboard, case, GPU brand and memory brand without affecting the performance too much. This system will play any game you throw at it at 1920x1080 HQ. PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/gcYmmGPrice breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/gcYmmG/by_merchant/CPU: Intel Core i3-4360 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor (£110.58 @ Scan.co.uk) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97M-HD3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£61.16 @ Scan.co.uk) Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£52.98 @ Ebuyer) Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (£56.93 @ CCL Computers) Video Card: Club 3D Radeon R9 280 3GB royalKing Video Card (£187.61 @ Amazon UK) Case: Cooler Master Elite 350 ATX Mid Tower Case w/500W Power Supply (£56.00 @ Amazon UK) Optical Drive: LG UH12NS30 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer (£40.78 @ Scan.co.uk) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£47.50 @ Amazon UK) Total: £613.54Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableYou can get it for less by using other merchants but I excluded the ones I won't buy from regardless of price.You would have to have it built or build it yourself but is better than either of the options above for the money. Although the CPU I have chosen is not as fast as the Intel i5 Quad Core 3.1GHz it is well matched with the Graphics whereas the Intel system you posted above is unbalanced and will be much slower in games though if you were doing a lot of multitasking or encoding/decoding video with software that doesnt take advantage of GPU compute the core i5 system would be faster.



    Only problem I'd have with that system is that most modern games are multi threaded and a dual core cpu, even with hyperthreading will struggle. For any hope of future proofing I'd suggest quad core as a minimum.

    kingtreelo

    an absolute bargain considering your getting a 2000GB hard drive with … an absolute bargain considering your getting a 2000GB hard drive with themif you mean 2GB, then its a pretty shabby deal for bothyou could assemble a much better machine for the price purchasing the components individually



    Rofl #troll-fail

    The builds you've posted are pretty rubbish not even close to being at the level they describe. The motherboard they are using are shocking. Build one yourself you won't regret it and trust me in saying this it is not hard at all, just use forums YouTube and a bit of common sense and you'll be flying. PCPartPicker will ensure your build is compatible

    I did my first build 3 months ago and I'm so happy with it. It would wipe the floor with the top end pc you've posted and it cost £700 excluding monitor

    Ar460rn

    Novatech have an FX-8 with SSD, 2TB disk, 8GB RAM, 2GB R9 GPU for a shade … Novatech have an FX-8 with SSD, 2TB disk, 8GB RAM, 2GB R9 GPU for a shade under £800 (incl Win 8.1).http://www.novatech.co.uk/pc/range/novatechblacknta35.htmlAlternatively, swap the FX-8 for an Intel i5 and a 1 GB GTX 750 and you are under £650.http://www.novatech.co.uk/pc/range/novatechblacknti129.htmlBuilding your own can usually save you a chunk of money but there is often a lot to be said for buying off the shelf with no build hitches!


    Or go for this as a prebuilt

    Sorry meant to say £600 not £700

    ZaphodBeeblebrox

    If I was spending £625 on a computer for gaming this is what I would buy, … If I was spending £625 on a computer for gaming this is what I would buy, I limited myself to £625as that was the price of the top system you posted but if you have a bit more to spend you could either get a better CPU or a seperate SSD and HDD rather than the Hybrid. As long as you keep the CPU and GPU Model you could swap around the motherboard, case, GPU brand and memory brand without affecting the performance too much. This system will play any game you throw at it at 1920x1080 HQ. PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/gcYmmGPrice breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/gcYmmG/by_merchant/CPU: Intel Core i3-4360 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor (£110.58 @ Scan.co.uk) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97M-HD3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£61.16 @ Scan.co.uk) Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£52.98 @ Ebuyer) Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (£56.93 @ CCL Computers) Video Card: Club 3D Radeon R9 280 3GB royalKing Video Card (£187.61 @ Amazon UK) Case: Cooler Master Elite 350 ATX Mid Tower Case w/500W Power Supply (£56.00 @ Amazon UK) Optical Drive: LG UH12NS30 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer (£40.78 @ Scan.co.uk) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£47.50 @ Amazon UK) Total: £613.54Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableYou can get it for less by using other merchants but I excluded the ones I won't buy from regardless of price.You would have to have it built or build it yourself but is better than either of the options above for the money. Although the CPU I have chosen is not as fast as the Intel i5 Quad Core 3.1GHz it is well matched with the Graphics whereas the Intel system you posted above is unbalanced and will be much slower in games though if you were doing a lot of multitasking or encoding/decoding video with software that doesnt take advantage of GPU compute the core i5 system would be faster.



    Are these systems being built by someone on Gumtree? The specs are very poor for their prices.

    dxx

    Are these systems being built by someone on Gumtree? The specs are very … Are these systems being built by someone on Gumtree? The specs are very poor for their prices.



    Really, what would you build better for the money? It is all well and good criticising if it is constructive but offering no alternative is a useless post.

    Edited by: "ZaphodBeeblebrox" 16th Jul 2014

    dxx

    Are these systems being built by someone on Gumtree? The specs are very … Are these systems being built by someone on Gumtree? The specs are very poor for their prices.


    enigmatik33

    Only problem I'd have with that system is that most modern games are … Only problem I'd have with that system is that most modern games are multi threaded and a dual core cpu, even with hyperthreading will struggle. For any hope of future proofing I'd suggest quad core as a minimum.



    I agree future wise you may want more cores but when building a gaming PC to a price the GPU is much more important . With the GPU I listed there is almost no noticable difference between the Core i3 - 4360 and a Core i7 - 4770k in the vast majority of games running at 1080p HQ max settings. If you go to SLI or Crossfire then this changes a bit but on a budget Gming system 2 cores is plenty.

    Original Poster

    Can I just says 'thank you' to everyone for the advise on here but at the same time I don't want anyone to stop with recommendations. Looks like the best way will be to build my own and through looking on the internet it doesn't seem too hard. I think my biggest concern was the software installation but hopefully that won't be too bad and, as pointed out, it does save a load of money.
    Edited by: "Orinoco1" 16th Jul 2014

    ZaphodBeeblebrox

    I agree future wise you may want more cores but when building a gaming PC … I agree future wise you may want more cores but when building a gaming PC to a price the GPU is much more important . With the GPU I listed there is almost no noticable difference between the Core i3 - 4360 and a Core i7 - 4770k in the vast majority of games running at 1080p HQ max settings. If you go to SLI or Crossfire then this changes a bit but on a budget Gming system 2 cores is plenty.



    Interesting article and point taken, but the card used is a 7970 equivalent to a 280x not the 280 you have listed which is a 7950. Also with results like that it would then suggest the gpu being used is the limiting factor. In a comparison between 2 cpu on the same socket the best memory and gpu available should be used to show if changing the cpu affects the results and prevent any other factor being the bottle neck.

    ZaphodBeeblebrox

    Really, what would you build better for the money? It is all well and … Really, what would you build better for the money? It is all well and good criticising if it is constructive but offering no alternative is a useless post.



    My apologies - I clicked Reply on the wrong post.

    to balance out the many cries of "build your own" i suggest you check out the user "gowingnator" and his threads, 97% of builds go very easy, if you fall into the 3% that gets a faulty part things can be a bit stressful to say the least.

    dxx

    My apologies - I clicked Reply on the wrong post.



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