New badger culling trials given go ahead across England

46 replies
Found 3rd Sep 2016
bbc.co.uk/new…418

Badger cull in numbers

Culls took place in 2013, 2014 and 2015

3,943

Badgers culled in Somerset, Gloucestershire and Dorset

50,000

Badgers estimated to be killed by vehicles on UK roads every year

Says it all really what a waste of time and money on pointless cruelty

theguardian.com/com…-tb

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46 Comments

Banned

Start with this one

http://i1.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article170027.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/ruth-badger-143068765.jpg

Leave the poor **** alone.

Waste of money if it doesn't reduce bovine TB.

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stuarthanley

Waste of money if it doesn't reduce bovine TB.



Apparently there are doubts whether they cause TB at all

Are the government ever wrong?

They are pretty vicious badgers, always throwing mash potatoes about!

Quit badgering the poor animals.

https://i.imgur.com/sv7aXX7.gif


Edited by: "spaceinvader" 4th Sep 2016

I despair.

I've never seen a badger in my life and I live overlooking farmers fields and a national park. we must not have them in oldham.

Loads of them around our way, the little ******'s eat my chickens. They will also do a lot of damage to your car if ever you're unfortunate enough to run one over, a friend of mine done about three grand of damage to the front of his brand new (3 days old) Subaru when one run out in front of him.

Banned

Dyslexic_Dog

Loads of them around our way, the little ******'s eat my chickens. They … Loads of them around our way, the little ******'s eat my chickens. They will also do a lot of damage to your car if ever you're unfortunate enough to run one over, a friend of mine done about three grand of damage to the front of his brand new (3 days old) Subaru when one run out in front of him.



​Never heard of a badger harming a chicken but if you introduced chickens into their territory, it is your responsibility to protect them. As for the damage to a Subaru, I'm reasonably confident that you and your friend were compensated by the realisation that you'd inflicted much suffering on one of these beautiful creatures.

haritori

They are pretty vicious badgers, always throwing mash potatoes about!



​i forgot about bodger and badger , that show was nuts

brendanhickey

I've never seen a badger in my life and I live overlooking farmers fields … I've never seen a badger in my life and I live overlooking farmers fields and a national park. we must not have them in oldham.


ah... you cant see them so they dont exist
...or maybe there is another reason

7 grand per badger cull!!!! wtf
Edited by: "brilly" 4th Sep 2016

brendanhickey

I've never seen a badger in my life and I live overlooking farmers fields … I've never seen a badger in my life and I live overlooking farmers fields and a national park. we must not have them in oldham.



​we have suspiciously large amount lying on our road sides where I live (sometime pairs) I thought maybe farmers illegally killing badgers or badger baiters ? too cynical perhaps. Have seen a live badger once while out with the dog one night. lovely things .

Denbi

​we have suspiciously large amount lying on our road sides where I live : … ​we have suspiciously large amount lying on our road sides where I live (sometime pairs) I thought maybe farmers illegally killing badgers or badger baiters ? too cynical perhaps. Have seen a live badger once while out with the dog one night. lovely things .



Yes, they are dumped on the side of the road, not killed by cars.

Banned

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MrScotchBonnet



Skunks?

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airfix

Skunks?


Honey badger

News just in.......Ratty and Toad are devastated

juddking

​Never heard of a badger harming a chicken but if you introduced chickens … ​Never heard of a badger harming a chicken but if you introduced chickens into their territory, it is your responsibility to protect them. As for the damage to a Subaru, I'm reasonably confident that you and your friend were compensated by the realisation that you'd inflicted much suffering on one of these beautiful creatures.



​Thats a very judgement view you have there. I didn't get any compensation or sense of enjoyment from my friend killing a badger especially as I wasn't even there, which you seem to have assumed I was. As for you never having heard of a badger harming a chicken doesn't mean that they don't, I have in fact witnessed them tearing the door of my chickens house to get at the chickens to eat them, i guess you don't live in the countryside or have much understanding of it and the natural environment in general. And just to clarify I'm not in favour of a badger cull, I state this as from your reply I get the impression you may think that I am

This is a link to RSPCA stop Badger cull petition.Your text here
And Gov petitions website Your text here

Edited by: "Denbi" 4th Sep 2016

Denbi

This is a link to RSPCA stop Badger cull petition.Your text hereAnd Gov … This is a link to RSPCA stop Badger cull petition.Your text hereAnd Gov petitions website Your text here


Signed both

Dyslexic_Dog

​Thats a very judgement view you have there. I didn't get any c … ​Thats a very judgement view you have there. I didn't get any compensation or sense of enjoyment from my friend killing a badger especially as I wasn't even there, which you seem to have assumed I was. As for you never having heard of a badger harming a chicken doesn't mean that they don't, I have in fact witnessed them tearing the door of my chickens house to get at the chickens to eat them, i guess you don't live in the countryside or have much understanding of it and the natural environment in general. And just to clarify I'm not in favour of a badger cull, I state this as from your reply I get the impression you may think that I am



Seems pretty fair to me. If you had a cat, then bought a hamster and then didn't keep it out of the cat's way and it was killed. That would be your fault.

Why's it different when you have chickens and put them in the way of a badger? It's your fault they are not secure. House them properly.

If your friends can't deal with the car damage, then your friends should stop running over badgers. Don't see the relevance of the car being brand new to the story either. Is that the badgers fault to?

How do you "trial" a cull? You either have a cull or you don't.

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Denbi

This is a link to RSPCA stop Badger cull petition.Your text hereAnd Gov … This is a link to RSPCA stop Badger cull petition.Your text hereAnd Gov petitions website Your text here


Thank you will do

Signed too.

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Come at me bro!

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Mark2111

Come at me bro!:(:(:(



Aren't they beautiful? It almost amazes we have such creatures living wild in the countryside here.

Signed - emailed the prat that is Stewart Jackson ( local MP ) last week who said it was right to go ahead with the cull. My real thoughts would ban me from the internet , let alone hukd

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darren9030

Signed - emailed the prat that is Stewart Jackson ( local MP ) last week … Signed - emailed the prat that is Stewart Jackson ( local MP ) last week who said it was right to go ahead with the cull. My real thoughts would ban me from the internet , let alone hukd


Same here (not done it yet)

ban me from the internet


don't think they can do that





yet

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Denbi

This is a link to RSPCA stop Badger cull petition.Your text hereAnd Gov … This is a link to RSPCA stop Badger cull petition.Your text hereAnd Gov petitions website Your text here



darren9030

Signed - emailed the prat that is Stewart Jackson ( local MP ) last week … Signed - emailed the prat that is Stewart Jackson ( local MP ) last week who said it was right to go ahead with the cull. My real thoughts would ban me from the internet , let alone hukd



You recently signed the petition “End the badger cull instead of expanding to new areas”:
petition.parliament.uk/pet…672

On 7 September, MPs debated badger culling and bovine TB.

You can watch the debate here: parliamentlive.tv/eve…464?in=16:29:30

You can read the debate here:
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This was a debate in Westminster Hall, the second debating chamber of the House of Commons. Dr Paul Monaghan MP successfully entered a ballot system for this debate. This is one way backbench MPs can get debates in Parliament. You can find out more about Westminster Hall debates on the Parliament website: parliament.uk/abo…es/

You can read impartial information from the House of Commons Library on badger culls in England on the Parliament website: researchbriefings.parliament.uk/Res…837

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Original Poster

. It is an unavoidable truth that if the UK Government hope to control … . It is an unavoidable truth that if the UK Government hope to control bTB in English herds and to protect the wider environment through culling, they should logically cull not just badgers and cattle but bats, cats, dogs, mice, moles, rats, hedgehogs, sheep, goats, llamas, slugs, worms and even flies, all of which are capable of sustaining the disease. That proposition is clearly ridiculous, but it serves to highlight precisely how ridiculous the current persecution of badgers is, and that is exactly why the Welsh and Irish Governments have abandoned badger culling


Why not some Miscers as well surely they can carry TB

In all my years I've not seen a live badger in person.

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benjammin316

In all my years I've not seen a live badger in person.


May explain some of the spread see my comment above

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The response to the petition

Government responded: The Government is pursuing a comprehensive … Government responded: The Government is pursuing a comprehensive bovine TB eradication strategy including tighter cattle controls, biosecurity, and badger control in areas where the disease is widespread. Bovine TB is the greatest animal health threat to the UK. Dealing with this dreadful disease is costing taxpayers over £100 million each year and last year alone more than 28,000 cattle had to be slaughtered in England, causing devastation and distress for farmers and rural communities, where often herds have often been built up over many generations. That is why it is essential that we eradicate bovine TB. We are taking strong action to deliver a long-term plan to eradicate the disease and protect the future of the UK’s dairy and beef industries, with a comprehensive strategy including tighter cattle testing and movement controls, improving biosecurity on farm and when trading, and badger control in areas where badgers are an important factor in spreading disease to cattle. This approach is backed up by the evidence and experience of other countries. This approach has successfully eradicated bovine TB in Australia and is working in Ireland and New Zealand. There is still a long way to go. While cattle controls can have a significant impact, the Government’s Chief Veterinary Officer and the British Veterinary Association agree that we won’t eradicate the disease without dealing with the spread of TB from infected wildlife too. There is broad scientific consensus that badgers are implicated in the spread of TB in cattle in parts of England. TB was first found in English badgers in 1971. In 1974 badgers were removed from a severely infected cattle farm with the result that there were no herd TB outbreaks there for five years. Between 1975 and 1978 the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food funded work that demonstrated conclusively that there is a link between TB in badgers and cattle. Subsequent work in Ireland has reaffirmed that finding. The Krebs Review observed that between 1975 and 1979 when gassing was used to remove badgers, cattle TB incidence in the South-West fell from 1.65% to 0.4%, a 75% reduction. Subsequently, in the late 1970s and early 1980s, more widespread badger removal was carried out in three areas. In Thornbury, Gloucestershire, cattle TB incidence fell from 5.6% in the ten years before badger removal to 0.45% in the fifteen years afterwards, a reduction of 90%. In Steeple Leaze, Dorset, there were no herd TB outbreaks for seven years after badgers were removed. In Hartland, Devon, cattle TB incidence dropped from 15% in 1984 to just 4% in 1985, a reduction of more than two thirds. Following concerns that those exercises lacked rigorous scientific ‘controls’ the government commissioned the Randomised Badger Culling Trial (RBCT). Despite the challenge of the Foot and Mouth Disease outbreak, the RBCT showed that in the four years after proactive badger removal there was a significant reduction in cattle TB incidence relative to control areas. The greatest relative reduction seen was 54% in the eighteen months after proactive badger removal operations, when the full benefits began to appear. The RBCT confirmed what the previous exercises had shown. Licensed badger control operations led by local farmers and landowners in parts of Gloucestershire, Somerset and Dorset have shown that it is safe, humane and effective in reducing the number of badgers needed to bring down disease levels in cattle. Based on the advice of the Chief Veterinary Officer, we are extending this approach over a wider area to bring greater disease control benefits to hard-pressed farmers in the South West. We have also funded licensed private badger vaccination projects to help create a buffer zone around the South-West where TB is most widespread. However TB vaccination does not provide complete protection and it has no impact on infected badgers so it cannot replace culling and a shortage of the vaccine means it’s not an option right now. To ensure we have a successful and resilient industry, we are determined to use all available measures necessary to eradicate this devastating disease as quickly as possible. We will continue to deliver on our 25-year strategy for a TB-free England.Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs


Like to see their plan to cull flies
If there is a shortage of the vaccine can we not just make more ffs ?
it is the same stuff used on humans

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Denbi

This is a link to RSPCA stop Badger cull petition.Your text hereAnd Gov … This is a link to RSPCA stop Badger cull petition.Your text hereAnd Gov petitions website Your text here


Somewhat confused here tbh
seems like this is up for a debate in the commons on the 27th of March again
plymouthherald.co.uk/cou…tml

peakfm.co.uk/new…ed/

We accidentally went down a closed road once and one was walking down the road we saw it pretty close in the headlights, they're pretty damn big (or maybe he was), bigger than I would have thought!
Also thing culling them is senseless, TB link not proven
Edited by: "Cr0m" 24th Feb

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Rom

We accidentally went down a closed road once and one was walking down the … We accidentally went down a closed road once and one was walking down the road we saw it pretty close in the headlights, they're pretty damn big (or maybe he was), **** than I would have thought. Also thing culling them is senseless, TB link not proven


I think it is a perception thing ?
foxes are perceived as fairly small but when you 'stumble' across one...
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