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    Newzbin defeated by MPA

    Just read this on the bbc website:

    news.bbc.co.uk/1/h…stm

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    Original Poster

    Hollywood film studios have won a court case against a website they accused of aiding piracy. Newzbin was a search site that helped users navigate around the vast number of Usenet discussion forums.
    The film studios took the site to court claiming it helped its paying members download movies far faster than would be possible otherwise.
    In its defence, Newzbin said it was just a search site that did not host any pirated material
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    The High Court in London said Newzbin ran a "sophisticated technical" operation and had generated a "substantial" business as a result.
    "I have found that the defendant well knows that it is making available to its premium members infringing copies of films," said Mr Justice Kitchin in his ruling.
    Movies and video clips uploaded to Usenet are typically split into many separate chunks. Newzbin was accused of indexing all the parts so downloaders could locate all the bits for a film and download them en masse.
    Premium members of Newzbin paid 30p a week subscription to be able to download from the site. The member-only site is thought to have had more than 700,000 users.
    "This is an important decision," said Ted Shapiro, the Motion Picture Association's general counsel for Europe. "It sends a clear message that websites focusing on providing viewers with pirated film and TV programmes infringe copyright and are liable for their actions even where those websites don't themselves host the content."
    The MPA investigates copyright infringement for many Hollywood studios including Disney, Paramount, Universal and 20th Century Fox.
    Newzbin said it was "very disappointed" with the judgement.
    "Sadly the MPA are stuck in a technology stone age," it said in a statement. "Rather than addressing their own broken business models and monopolistic commercial practices they seek to curtail innovation and freedom on the internet."
    It added: "Any of the material we index can be found on any one of a thousands of sites on the internet so pursuit of us is a futile waste of everyone's time and money."
    Newzbin said it was now assessing its legal options and was considering an appeal.
    The exact terms of the judgement against Newzbin are due to be released in early April. The film studios have been granted an injunction which stops downloads of their films via Newzbin. The site will also face a claim for damages in a future hearing.

    lol

    ironically its just made me join...

    it was the same when the owners of Pirate Bay were in the news - i started using that (due to mininova's demise)


    edit - weird site. will stick to pirate bay and demonoid...

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    Interesting outcome. Not a fan of newzbin myself, a mess of a site. I hope they don't go after nzbmatrix.

    Original Poster

    Gonna try nzbmatrix in the advice of some friends. Really suprised with the outcome especially when you compare it to oink and what not.

    master_chief;8252010

    Interesting outcome. Not a fan of newzbin myself, a mess of a site. I … Interesting outcome. Not a fan of newzbin myself, a mess of a site. I hope they don't go after nzbmatrix.


    +1 or merlins portal.

    They are the two I tend to stick to, for anything a bit harder to find binsearch.

    emhaslam;8251984

    lolironically its just made me join...it was the same when the owners of … lolironically its just made me join...it was the same when the owners of Pirate Bay were in the news - i started using that (due to mininova's demise)



    same-but looks way to complicated for a RS user!

    The site has opened signups now, so all the people who are always asking for invites should get in now...

    From their news: The next hearing in court is mid April. Until then we are required to implement a default policy of blocking movies and TV reports. These will need to be manually authorised by us before they are published. This is cumbersome and, we appreciate, deeply unwelcome. Rest easy that it is temporary and will only last until we can get into court or until we implement a less onerous automatic filter.

    As of now registrations have been enabled - You will no longer need an invite to signup for a new account.

    Can someone point me in the right direction to sign up to Newsgroups?

    From a guide I was sent on Slyck, I need a newsgroup server and a reader, then the index.

    Merlin and nbz seem to be the better indexes, but any preferences on good servers and readers? Lowest cost, highest yield of course, but open to all recommendations

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    DragonChris;8252481

    Can someone point me in the right direction to sign up to Newsgroups?From … Can someone point me in the right direction to sign up to Newsgroups?From a guide I was sent on Slyck, I need a newsgroup server and a reader, then the index.Merlin and nbz seem to be the better indexes, but any preferences on good servers and readers? Lowest cost, highest yield of course, but open to all recommendations



    astraweb.com/ cheapest reliable option I believe.

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    DragonChris;8252481

    Can someone point me in the right direction to sign up to Newsgroups?From … Can someone point me in the right direction to sign up to Newsgroups?From a guide I was sent on Slyck, I need a newsgroup server and a reader, then the index.Merlin and nbz seem to be the better indexes, but any preferences on good servers and readers? Lowest cost, highest yield of course, but open to all recommendations


    indexing site - nzbmatrix - £7 for lifetime membership i think

    astraweb server - £15 for 180GB

    grabit - reader

    csiman;8252816

    indexing site - nzbmatrix - £7 for lifetime membership i thinkastraweb … indexing site - nzbmatrix - £7 for lifetime membership i thinkastraweb server - £15 for 180GBgrabit - reader



    Good man thanks muchly.

    For astraweb, I assume this is for 180GB of downloads in total, then pay another £15 for the next 180 and so on?

    *semi edit in mid write* Yes, that looks about right, I doubt I'd be doing more than that in a period of months anyway lol.

    I suppose I should set up a Paypal account for this instead of going directly through the bank Might need some help with that one, as for the life of me I couldn't get my head around it before (even though I'm a techy person, blah).

    yay for the MPA, a good move, piracy is what is driving everything else to cost more, ie lastfm and spotify ie streaming music mechanisms are to start charging..................

    I pay for my music and films, always

    pirate bay, mininova and now newzbin, methinks this is just the beginning

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    Government re-introduces controversial site-blocking powers

    Courts will be able to force ISPs to block all UK access to websites … Courts will be able to force ISPs to block all UK access to websites that are suspected of being involved, or even likely to be involved, in copyright infringing behaviour under just-published Government plans.



    out-law.com/pag…890

    was gonna create a thread but may as well dump it in here.....same audience

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    the full judgement to this case can now be read here.........if interested

    bailii.org/ew/…tml

    newzbin say

    We are very disappointed with the judgment. Regrettably the court has … We are very disappointed with the judgment. Regrettably the court has accepted the distorted and flawed evidence that Hollywood presented. Contrary to the finding of the court our site has not deliberately sought to index infringing material, nor to assist those of our users who use it for that purpose. The site provides a generalised search facility for binary content found on Usenet and not just infringing material. Any of the material we index can be found on any one of thousands of sites on the Internet so pursuit of us is a futile waste of everyones time and money."

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    boabbyrab;8254508

    pirate bay, mininova and now newzbin, methinks this is just the beginning



    And it will never end.

    master_chief;8256138

    And it will never end.



    with internet policing going the way it is, it will end............................

    Its all about the money

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    master_chief;8256138

    And it will never end.


    +1

    without piracy, we wouldnt be seeing all these £2.99 dvds and films released within weeks on dvd after their cinema showings (used to be a year plus)! Direct correlation between the increase in piracy and the decrease in CD /DVD prices (I recall £13+ being the normal price!).

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    Alfonse;8259927

    with internet policing going the way it is, it will … with internet policing going the way it is, it will end............................Its all about the money



    just have a look at whats happpening in spain

    guardian.co.uk/wor…vds

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    Alfonse;8259927

    with internet policing going the way it is, it will … with internet policing going the way it is, it will end............................Its all about the money



    1 big court victory a year against a big website? At this rate, taking into account new ones taking the places of those closed down, the interweb will be clear of piracy by...

    Newzbin Uk based.
    Most other indexing sites will be fine has they are not based in the UK. Hardly big players so should not make a great deal of difference to the scene.

    csiman;8260023

    +1without piracy, we wouldnt be seeing all these £2.99 dvds and films … +1without piracy, we wouldnt be seeing all these £2.99 dvds and films released within weeks on dvd after their cinema showings (used to be a year plus)! Direct correlation between the increase in piracy and the decrease in CD /DVD prices (I recall £13+ being the normal price!).



    so that justify's your reason to steal films then?

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    Alfonse;8261925

    so that justify's your reason to steal films then?



    Absolutely!!

    I swear by Usenet now, after being an avid torrenter for years

    However, im having to use my XP and Vista boxes to download using GrabIt - Win7 doesnt seem to want to let GrabIt work at all - anyone else found this?

    master_chief;8261867

    1 big court victory a year against a big website? At this rate, taking … 1 big court victory a year against a big website? At this rate, taking into account new ones taking the places of those closed down, the interweb will be clear of piracy by...



    if we have a policy introduced which is akin to China's internet restrictions, I can quite believe it will end, as well as any free services on the internet, micro payments will leach into all sectors of life within 5 - 10 years, IMO

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    newbie1001;8261889

    Newzbin Uk based. Most other indexing sites will be fine has they are not … Newzbin Uk based. Most other indexing sites will be fine has they are not based in the UK. Hardly big players so should not make a great deal of difference to the scene.



    does not matter where they are based ...........the new digital bills coming in will give greater powers to shut these sites off

    Courts will be able to force ISPs to block all UK access to websites that … Courts will be able to force ISPs to block all UK access to websites that are suspected of being involved, or even likely to be involved, in copyright infringing behaviour under just-published Government plans.


    out-law.com/pag…890

    MarkyB;8261950

    I swear by Usenet now, after being an avid torrenter for yearsHowever, im … I swear by Usenet now, after being an avid torrenter for yearsHowever, im having to use my XP and Vista boxes to download using GrabIt - Win7 doesnt seem to want to let GrabIt work at all - anyone else found this?



    try running in compatibility mode? right click the grabit main .exe file, go to properties and set compatibility mode to windows xp.

    master_chief;8261937

    Absolutely!!



    where do you draw the line at stealing then.............can I steal your car, if it makes car prices cheaper?

    lolzer

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    Alfonse;8261957

    if we have a policy introduced which is akin to China's internet … if we have a policy introduced which is akin to China's internet restrictions, I can quite believe it will end, as well as any free services on the internet, micro payments will leach into all sectors of life within 5 - 10 years, IMO



    Pirate's always find a way thankfully.

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    Alfonse;8261970

    where do you draw the line at stealing then.............can I steal your … where do you draw the line at stealing then.............can I steal your car, if it makes car prices cheaper?lolzer



    Never heard that argument before. You know what the counter argument to that is so i won't waste time on it.

    master_chief;8261983

    Never heard that argument before. You know what the counter argument to … Never heard that argument before. You know what the counter argument to that is so i won't waste time on it.



    so please explain to me why its ok to steal anything?

    oldmanhouse;8261969

    try running in compatibility mode? right click the grabit main .exe … try running in compatibility mode? right click the grabit main .exe file, go to properties and set compatibility mode to windows xp.



    Thanks - i'll give it a go, but to be honest i'm liking the idea of having a PC dedicated to downloading stuff, another PC dedicated to streaming stuff and then my "main" pc ... just have to convince the other half that this isnt a waste of time :P

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    Alfonse;8262027

    so please explain to me why its ok to steal anything?



    once a criminal always a criminal...........these people know little else

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    Alfonse;8262027

    so please explain to me why its ok to steal anything?



    A better analogy would be... an industrious billionaire decides to make exact replicas of Ford Focuses and give them away for free. Would it be ok to take that free car? Ford aren't physically losing any stock yet losing potential sales. Those potential sales don't necessarily relate to actual losses to Ford as those who accept the free version may not have ever bought the original in the first place...

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    casparwhite;8262065

    once a criminal always a criminal...........these people know little else



    Defends illegal drug use (admits to it too) yet condemns pirates. You are a hoot :thumbsup:

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    master_chief;8262080

    Defends illegal drug use (admits to it too) yet condemns pirates. You are … Defends illegal drug use (admits to it too) yet condemns pirates. You are a hoot :thumbsup:



    where have i condemned pirates?

    where have i defended illegal drug use?

    you are confused

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    casparwhite;8262124

    where have i condemned pirates?where have i defended illegal drug use?you … where have i condemned pirates?where have i defended illegal drug use?you are confused



    You're in every drug related thread and it certainly isn't to condemn them.

    What on earth did your comment a few up mean then about criminals in relation to this topic on pirates??

    master_chief;8262070

    A better analogy would be... an industrious billionaire decides to make … A better analogy would be... an industrious billionaire decides to make exact replicas of Ford Focuses and give them away for free. Would it be ok to take that free car? Ford aren't physically losing any stock yet losing potential sales. Those potential sales don't necessarily relate to actual losses to Ford as those who accept the free version may not have ever bought the original in the first place...



    ok, this is easy...........

    Someone steals your collection of online photos and uses them to make money in whatever, you'd obviously be ok with this, as they only took 'copies' of your photos..................for their own gain, like you do when you steal films for your own gain..............

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    Alfonse;8262155

    ok, this is easy...........Someone steals your collection of online … ok, this is easy...........Someone steals your collection of online photos and uses them to make money in whatever, you'd obviously be ok with this, as they only took 'copies' of your photos..................for their own gain, like you do when you steal films for your own gain..............



    If they just took them for their own personal use/pleasure, say to hang them up on their wall then fine. If they're going to make money out of it then that's alittle different to this argument. I'm not making money from piracy.

    I don't agree with people selling copies of movies, games etc at markets. So I'm with you on your analogy there!
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