Nigel Farage says "just maybe I’m reaching the point of thinking that we should have a second referendum on EU membership".

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Edited by:"m5rcc"Found 11th Jan
Nigel Farage says "just maybe I’m reaching the point of thinking that we should have a second referendum on EU membership"

But will the Daily Fail brand him a traitor?

It's increasingly clear - in the sense that it was already very clear but is now increasingly so - that Farage will say simply anything at all to get himself up the news agenda.

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Interesting. I genuinely think we need a real discussion on what we want to be as a country. People need to be realistic about what they want this country to be, rather than using trite catchphrases.

We also need to be realistic about our place in the world. We're not going to compete with China or India on manufacturing but we can certainly be a services giant and a high end manufacturing specialist.

We also need to be honest that being part of the EU was good for the British economy overall. But the problem is that we won't get the discussion. The country has been divided and those who have done well are making sure they're insulated.

There is no more Great Britain. It's every man for themselves and sadly, those at the bottom of society who voted disproportionality for Brexit because the economy left them behind are going to be in trouble as the economy continues to get worse.

A second referendum gives them a chance to vote for a slightly better life for them and their kids.

.MUFC.1 h, 4 m ago

You were happy when the original referendum was offered when it was a …You were happy when the original referendum was offered when it was a simple leave or remain vote. I didn't see anyone campaigning or ranting about it then. You can't change the result because you didn't win.


Blind, ignorant or stupid? Which one is it?

Loads of people were telling you that you don't know what you are voting for if voting leave!!

The original referendum was a joke as any sane person would never agree to a blank contract when deciding on anything!

.MUFC.44 m ago

Have we not been over it all many times?, Please stop getting personal, No …Have we not been over it all many times?, Please stop getting personal, No need to bring my parenting skills into question.


You just liked another post where someone made it personal and criticised another parent? A single mother that seems to get a lot of unjustified abuse on here, but then women are easy targets for a type of men.
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What was the context?

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Bestard1 m ago

What was the context?


I don't watch The Wright Stuff but the I can only assume it was about Brexit - there's the video on the link above.

Bestard24 m ago

What was the context?


If you watch he believes that the number of leave voters will be higher so that everyone will stop moaning as it will be a clear majority.

I thinking he's living in a land of make believe where unicorns and fairies can vote.

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Segata-Sanshiro1 m ago

If you watch he believes that the number of leave voters will be higher so …If you watch he believes that the number of leave voters will be higher so that everyone will stop moaning as it will be a clear majority.I thinking he's living in a land of make believe where unicorns and fairies can vote.


It's all a bit curious, given that he said that if it were 52:48 Remain, then it would be 'unfinished business'.

Segata-Sanshiro5 m ago

If you watch he believes that the number of leave voters will be higher so …If you watch he believes that the number of leave voters will be higher so that everyone will stop moaning as it will be a clear majority.I thinking he's living in a land of make believe where unicorns and fairies can vote.


Didn't Theresa try to use a similar logic?
Edited by: "Bestard" 11th Jan

If (and that's a mighty big if) a second referendum comes along, there should be a caveat that if 'Brexit' were to win, the costs of exiting should be covered by those who voted leave.

Interesting. I genuinely think we need a real discussion on what we want to be as a country. People need to be realistic about what they want this country to be, rather than using trite catchphrases.

We also need to be realistic about our place in the world. We're not going to compete with China or India on manufacturing but we can certainly be a services giant and a high end manufacturing specialist.

We also need to be honest that being part of the EU was good for the British economy overall. But the problem is that we won't get the discussion. The country has been divided and those who have done well are making sure they're insulated.

There is no more Great Britain. It's every man for themselves and sadly, those at the bottom of society who voted disproportionality for Brexit because the economy left them behind are going to be in trouble as the economy continues to get worse.

A second referendum gives them a chance to vote for a slightly better life for them and their kids.

Bestard4 m ago

If (and that's a mighty big if) a second referendum comes along, there …If (and that's a mighty big if) a second referendum comes along, there should be a caveat that if 'Brexit' were to win, the costs of exiting should be covered by those who voted leave.


The cost of leaving will be passed on to the poor, which is kind of the same thing.

Wealthy people who voted to leave are a special breed.

I'm awaiting the usual lot to grab the pitchforks and torches and accuse their messiah of being a traitor to demoracy.

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Bestard9 m ago

If (and that's a mighty big if) a second referendum comes along, there …If (and that's a mighty big if) a second referendum comes along, there should be a caveat that if 'Brexit' were to win, the costs of exiting should be covered by those who voted leave.


Well that won't happen. A term that should be in is that there is a clear victory by at least ten points.

DT894 m ago

I'm awaiting the usual lot to grab the pitchforks and torches and accuse …I'm awaiting the usual lot to grab the pitchforks and torches and accuse their messiah of being a traitor to demoracy.


They'll blame Theresa for making a mess of their beautiful Brexit. Fact is the plan was always dumb. Her incompetence is making it only slightly funnier.

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HotEnglishAndWelshDeals7 m ago

They'll blame Theresa for making a mess of their beautiful Brexit. Fact is …They'll blame Theresa for making a mess of their beautiful Brexit. Fact is the plan was always dumb. Her incompetence is making it only slightly funnier.


Or maybe it's intentional?

m5rcc4 m ago

Or maybe it's intentional?


Well I can't look at Davis appointment and subsequent actions and not think he isn't intentionally being that incompetent.

But then I'd say the same about Hunt. Or Boris. Or literally any member of the cabinet.

DT8916 m ago

I'm awaiting the usual lot to grab the pitchforks and torches and accuse …I'm awaiting the usual lot to grab the pitchforks and torches and accuse their messiah of being a traitor to demoracy.


I was waiting for someone to make accusations before the event, well done.
Incidentally it's Democracy.

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HotEnglishAndWelshDeals2 m ago

Well I can't look at Davis appointment and subsequent actions and not …Well I can't look at Davis appointment and subsequent actions and not think he isn't intentionally being that incompetent.But then I'd say the same about Hunt. Or Boris. Or literally any member of the cabinet.


May's initial logic was that placing such people in such posts was a short-term pain as she had hoped they'd quit by getting frustrated. It hasn't happened.

m5rcc1 m ago

May's initial logic was that placing such people in such posts was a …May's initial logic was that placing such people in such posts was a short-term pain as she had hoped they'd quit by getting frustrated. It hasn't happened.


They're from the school of thought that you fail upwards and incompetence shouldn't be a roadblock to a paycheck.

They lack the self awareness to do the honourable thing.

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HotEnglishAndWelshDeals4 m ago

They lack the self awareness to do the honourable thing.


Which is what? Quit? Commit to the will of the people? If so, that's a complete fallacy. MPs are there to put the interests of the country forward, not the interests of the people.

Leave could win a dozen referendums and it still wouldn’t change much, Europhile head bangers on both sides of the house would still do their best to stop or soften it.

Should remain win this time round, what would that actually mean? The 2016 decision would be overturned? Or would it be a best of three job.

I just can’t see how it would work without causing even more damage. Should the 2016 decision be overturned in a re-run it would make us a bigger laughing stock than we are now and make a mockery of our so called democracy.

Honestly, I don’t think embattled May would risk it. She’s not strong enough and a remain win would ensure her departure and totally destroy her party.

m5rcc2 m ago

Which is what? Quit? Commit to the will of the people? If so, that's a …Which is what? Quit? Commit to the will of the people? If so, that's a complete fallacy. MPs are there to put the interests of the country forward, not the interests of the people.


What are you on about they are representatives of the peoples will, democracy. Although in reality they represent only their own self interest

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freakstyler1 m ago

She’s not strong enough and a remain win would ensure her departure a …She’s not strong enough and a remain win would ensure her departure and totally destroy her party.


She needn't worry. We are not leaving the EU: it will be name only.

m5rcc1 m ago

She needn't worry. We are not leaving the EU: it will be name only.


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Segata-Sanshiro2 m ago

What are you on about they are representatives of the peoples will, …What are you on about they are representatives of the peoples will, democracy. Although in reality they represent only their own self interest



Wrong - the will of the people is a totally meaningless statement, dreamt by Leavers thinking that should be done. MPs should represent put forward the interests of the country. I didn't say they do that currently.

shadey1215 m ago

I was waiting for someone to make accusations before the event, well …I was waiting for someone to make accusations before the event, well done.Incidentally it's Democracy.


Ooo look - here's one.

m5rcc1 m ago

Wrong - the will of the people is a totally meaningless statement, dreamt …Wrong - the will of the people is a totally meaningless statement, dreamt by Leavers thinking that should be done. MPs should represent put forward the interests of the country. I didn't say they do that currently.


What do you consider the country if it isn't the people?

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CoeK1 m ago

What do you consider the country if it isn't the people?



Its interests - i.e. the economy. Without an economy there are no people willing to live there. Prioritise that, then the rest will come.

m5rcc37 s ago

Its interests - i.e. the economy. Without an economy there are no people …Its interests - i.e. the economy. Without an economy there are no people willing to live there. Prioritise that, then the rest will come.


Why bother with a good economy?

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CoeK35 s ago

Why bother with a good economy?


Would you rather be in North Korea?

m5rcc1 m ago

Would you rather be in North Korea?


You shouldn't answer a question with a question, especially a random question. What is the purpose of a good economy?

m5rcc11 m ago

Which is what? Quit? Commit to the will of the people? If so, that's a …Which is what? Quit? Commit to the will of the people? If so, that's a complete fallacy. MPs are there to put the interests of the country forward, not the interests of the people.


Exactly. But brexit supporters seem not to be swayed by facts or figures. They feel it is the right thing and it's hard to change that feeling.

It's like telling a juggler that chopping off his arm might be bad for his economic future. You can show him the economic outlook for a one armed juggler but so long as he feels like he'll be better off, what can you do?

CoeK1 m ago

You shouldn't answer a question with a question, especially a random …You shouldn't answer a question with a question, especially a random question. What is the purpose of a good economy?


To provide opportunities for people to maximise their potential.

The UK's membership of the EU has helped fulfill that remit.

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CoeK4 m ago

You shouldn't answer a question with a question, especially a random …You shouldn't answer a question with a question, especially a random question. What is the purpose of a good economy?


Wow! We clearly need to go back to basics here. A good economy is required so that we can combine and increase the prosperity of its users through the measures of income, wealth, human development and employment. If all those factors are decreasing, then its users/consumers suffer.

Segata-Sanshiro57 m ago

If you watch he believes that the number of leave voters will be higher so …If you watch he believes that the number of leave voters will be higher so that everyone will stop moaning as it will be a clear majority.I thinking he's living in a land of make believe where unicorns and fairies can vote.


Didn't the unicorns and fairies of make believe land vote to remain?
Edited by: "Predikuesi" 11th Jan

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HotEnglishAndWelshDeals6 m ago

Exactly. But brexit supporters seem not to be swayed by facts or figures. …Exactly. But brexit supporters seem not to be swayed by facts or figures. They feel it is the right thing and it's hard to change that feeling.It's like telling a juggler that chopping off his arm might be bad for his economic future. You can show him the economic outlook for a one armed juggler but so long as he feels like he'll be better off, what can you do?


Sure - most Leavers beleived diseminated misinformation and when presented with such proven facts post the EU Ref, they are still refusing to change their mind.

Predikuesi3 m ago

Didn't the unicorns and fairies of make believe land vote to remain


Yes, they worked out that their economic outlook was best served as part of a larger trading bloc.

Congrats on being less fiscally knowledgeable than fictional creatures.
Edited by: "HotEnglishAndWelshDeals" 11th Jan

Hahahaha, the remoaners must be choking, having to agree with Mr Farage

After careful analysis of both sides of the argument, I came to the conclusion that I simply didn't care enough either way so didn't bother voting and cant see that changing if there is a second vote.

airfix3 m ago

Hahahaha, the remoaners must be choking, having to agree with Mr Farage


He's actually agreeing with remainers.

Does showing that amount of self awareness and intelligence get him banned from the Brexit treehouse?

Hahahaha, i am still laughing at the remainers, how brilliant.

Well played Farage, well played.

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airfix15 m ago

Hahahaha, i am still laughing at the remainers, how brilliant.Well played …Hahahaha, i am still laughing at the remainers, how brilliant.Well played Farage, well played.


Isn't he miserable and poor now? I hear his kids are getting bullied too.

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