Noise levels

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Found 3rd Jan 2009
Hi,
Advice needed please....
To summarise. ..

I rent a flat above a launderette, reduced rent based on the understanding that there would be some noise.... ( approx 10 % , I still pay £100 per week)

The noise has risen to a level so that even when the TV is on loud , it is still annoying.
The noise starts at 7:50 a.m. and stops at 10 p.m.
I have spoken to the landlord , who also owns the launderette, and he says there is not a lot he can do.

The flat is also a new build,as is the launderette.

It is impossible to sleep, read or even watch tv during the times the launderette is open.
And the noise is there even if no-one uses the launderette ,7 days a week.

I have threatened to get in touch with Environmental Health ,I really don't want to move and really don't think that anyone else would live with the noise.

Surely if he has a commercial and a residential premise , then he has a duty to ensure the flat is habitable.....

All advice , ( apart from just moving out,I know that's an option ) gratefully received....

Thanks

34 Comments

You could get some ear plugs for when you want to sleep?

Why woould you be sleeping in the day ? Are you on night shifts ?

If it is a new build they should have been built to the latest regulations and the local council would have ensured a sound test was carried out. If it is a bad as you say i would think there is something a miss, perhaps the flat should not be a flat atall, bear with me

Def contact your local Environmental Health team. They should come and do a full assessment for you, and if the noise is found to be outside "reasonable" levels (not sure what that is) it's up to the landlord to rectify the issue at his expense, I believe. Don't quote me though, things might have changed! :-S

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choc1969;7413488

Why woould you be sleeping in the day ? Are you on night shifts ?



erm no, but having to be up by 7:50 , every day, even on New years day wouldn't be so bad if it was possible to sleep during the rest of the day

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linuxlinks;7413479

You could get some ear plugs for when you want to sleep?



Thanks ,tried that, didn't work too well

Banned

move or put up with it
didnt you expect it to be noisy derrrrrrrrrrrrr

cv54;7413531

erm no, but having to be up by 7:50 , every day, even on New years day … erm no, but having to be up by 7:50 , every day, even on New years day wouldn't be so bad if it was possible to sleep during the rest of the day



get out of the house and enjoy yourself ;-)

Banned

cv54;7413536

Thanks ,tried that, didn't work too well



You need a pair of these, bit pricey but the landlord should agree to pay for them as will be cheaper than retro fitting the flat out with noise dampening materials.

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£299
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Phone your local council and ask for Building control & enquire if the building was sound tested as a possible start

You should also check that below are only opening the correct amount of hours set out by the council stipulations would have been made

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herewego1234;7413562

move or put up with itdidnt you expect it to be noisy derrrrrrrrrrrrr



Thanks, yes i di and the level of noise when i moved in WAS acceptable and i could live with it, it has since got louder, and become unacceptable, sorry I thought I'd made that clear .....:thumbsup:

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renown;7413586

Phone your local council and ask for Building control & enquire if the … Phone your local council and ask for Building control & enquire if the building was sound tested as a possible start



Thank you, I knew I'd get sensible answers from some people on here....... :thumbsup:

cv54;7413607

Thank you, I knew I'd get sensible answers from some people on … Thank you, I knew I'd get sensible answers from some people on here....... :thumbsup:



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ring mr. papadopoulos :thumbsup:

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Trogglescow;7413502

Def contact your local Environmental Health team. They should come and … Def contact your local Environmental Health team. They should come and do a full assessment for you, and if the noise is found to be outside "reasonable" levels (not sure what that is) it's up to the landlord to rectify the issue at his expense, I believe. Don't quote me though, things might have changed! :-S



yep, that's the same line i was thinking of taking, the noise is almost definitely outside reasonable levels , Would you know what a reasonable level would be though, in relation to everyday noise ,rather than in Db 's ????

Banned

cv54;7413638

yep, that's the same line i was thinking of taking, the noise is almost … yep, that's the same line i was thinking of taking, the noise is almost definitely outside reasonable levels , Would you know what a reasonable level would be though, in relation to everyday noise ,rather than in Db 's ????



Have you been down to see what's changed? extra machines/new machines that were probably cheaper to buy but not as environmentally friendly noise wise.

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lumoruk;7413732

Have you been down to see what's changed? extra machines/new machines … Have you been down to see what's changed? extra machines/new machines that were probably cheaper to buy but not as environmentally friendly noise wise.



Yea,from what i can gather there's two problems ..
1) The extractor fan for the driers has started to wear, resulting in a funny grinding ( ish ) noise ...
2) there is supposed to be a switch on the main pump, that's only supposed to activate when the washing machines are in use ( i have also spoken to the electrician and he says the pump is FAR too big for the job) , that also does not work.

I can deal with noisy periods throughout the day ,but not for 14 hours a day

transit;7413628

ring mr. papadopoulos :thumbsup:



lol :thumbsup:

i tend to side the the landlord - to a point. You acknowledged that noise would be an issue and accepted a reduced rate to live there because of the noise. That was your agreement - unless you thoughtfully made the landlord define the noise levels and times in which noise would be acceptable.

What would be interesting is to discover if your flat really is meant to be a flat.

You need to be careful, if you push your landlord too far, he can increase your rent with a 2 or 3 month notice just to push you out anyway... so moving probably is the best option. You might win a battle with EH on your side, but you wouldn't win the war. Even if the noise is outside reasonable levels, the landlord would prefer to have a job over the secondary and possibly un important income from a tenant... so he might just turn around and say "well you need to get out since i cant fix the noise"

It won't hurt to ask the council. There are definitely building regulations regarding sound proofing in ordinary flats, let alone those above noisy businesses. See how you get on, but don't be too nasty or argumentative about it, not just yet anyway! Niceness may win you a good compromise in the hours of noise, or even more reduced rent.

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ascen;7413975

i tend to side the the landlord - to a point. You acknowledged that noise … i tend to side the the landlord - to a point. You acknowledged that noise would be an issue and accepted a reduced rate to live there because of the noise. That was your agreement - unless you thoughtfully made the landlord define the noise levels and times in which noise would be acceptable.What would be interesting is to discover if your flat really is meant to be a flat.You need to be careful, if you push your landlord too far, he can increase your rent with a 2 or 3 month notice just to push you out anyway... so moving probably is the best option. You might win a battle with EH on your side, but you wouldn't win the war. Even if the noise is outside reasonable levels, the landlord would prefer to have a job over the secondary and possibly un important income from a tenant... so he might just turn around and say "well you need to get out since i cant fix the noise"



here here

Banned

i sleep well because i didnt take a flat above a laundrette
cos i got common sense

Original Poster

Penny Saver;7414007

It won't hurt to ask the council. There are definitely building … It won't hurt to ask the council. There are definitely building regulations regarding sound proofing in ordinary flats, let alone those above noisy businesses. See how you get on, but don't be too nasty or argumentative about it, not just yet anyway! Niceness may win you a good compromise in the hours of noise, or even more reduced rent.



Ah, see nasty and argumentative is not an option.... my friends think I've been far too patient with him , and have tried to compromise with him. I don't want to fall out with him,I just really feel the noise levels are unacceptable.

Otherwise he'd have to rent it to a deaf person

stupid question, do you have carpet in your flat? can you buy soundproofing to go underneath?

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herewego1234;7414047

i sleep well because i didnt take a flat above a laundrette cos i got … i sleep well because i didnt take a flat above a laundrette cos i got common sense



Again, thanks for all your help so far,and for taking the time to read the details before posting,it's much appreciated ......... :whistling:

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splatsplatsplat;7414073

stupid question, do you have carpet in your flat? can you buy … stupid question, do you have carpet in your flat? can you buy soundproofing to go underneath?



yep, and there's supposed to be soundproofing as well, don't think it helps that he cut holes in the soundproofing to put pipes through

to be fair he is a typical local laid back type, that'll cut corners wherever possible .....

I don't know what "reasonable" levels would be in terms of noise not Dbs. Even houses built next to railway lines have to be a certain distance away or with specific double glazing to counter the noise. Perhaps if it sounds like a train constantly rumbling past it would be too loud? Sorry I can't be more help!

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ascen;7413975

i tend to side the the landlord - to a point. You acknowledged that noise … i tend to side the the landlord - to a point. You acknowledged that noise would be an issue and accepted a reduced rate to live there because of the noise. That was your agreement - unless you thoughtfully made the landlord define the noise levels and times in which noise would be acceptable.What would be interesting is to discover if your flat really is meant to be a flat.You need to be careful, if you push your landlord too far, he can increase your rent with a 2 or 3 month notice just to push you out anyway... so moving probably is the best option. You might win a battle with EH on your side, but you wouldn't win the war. Even if the noise is outside reasonable levels, the landlord would prefer to have a job over the secondary and possibly un important income from a tenant... so he might just turn around and say "well you need to get out since i cant fix the noise"



Think it must be meant to be a flat , i pay council tax etc..... direct to the council ....
And with regards to moving,if all else fails then that is what i will do ... but i would like to sort this out and continue to live here , and yes i do believe that is possible

Sorry mate, but like others have intimated - you makes your bed...............

If you really don't want to move, you could buy up the launderette and turn it into a massage parlour

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Trogglescow;7414147

I don't know what "reasonable" levels would be in terms of noise not Dbs. … I don't know what "reasonable" levels would be in terms of noise not Dbs. Even houses built next to railway lines have to be a certain distance away or with specific double glazing to counter the noise. Perhaps if it sounds like a train constantly rumbling past it would be too loud? Sorry I can't be more help!



Well again this is what i am thinking, it's the fact that the noise is constant 14 hours a day,7 days a week that makes it a problem , intermittent noise i expect and can cope with , but as you say a train running past CONSTANTLY wouldn't be acceptable to anyone ....

Banned

Speak to the landlord saying you can't stay there much longer unless the two items are fixed within a reasonable time period. Say 2 months, else you can leave early and get your deposit back (probably have to go to solicitor)

cv54;7414175

Think it must be meant to be a flat , i pay council tax etc..... direct … Think it must be meant to be a flat , i pay council tax etc..... direct to the council ....And with regards to moving,if all else fails then that is what i will do ... but i would like to sort this out and continue to live here , and yes i do believe that is possible



what type of noise is it? like, does it make the house vibrate?

why i ask, is that if things are vibrating from heavy machinery, even sound proofing might not work because the whole flats a shaking!

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ascen;7414959

what type of noise is it? like, does it make the house vibrate? why i … what type of noise is it? like, does it make the house vibrate? why i ask, is that if things are vibrating from heavy machinery, even sound proofing might not work because the whole flats a shaking!



There is a certain amount of vibration yes,but it's not the vibration from the washers etc...
There's now a certain amount from the fan,and the water pipes transmit the pump vibration as well ( mainly where they pass through walls and touch the sides .........

just to support all the above, local council environmental health will help you

Bear in mind you have a legal right to "quiet enjoyment" of your home

Where either two things should happen IMO

a) You should be massively reimbursed for past rent and your rent obviously massively reduced for future payments and unfortunately you learn to live with it unless the landlord wants to expensively sound proof that flat

or

b) Via the council ensure that flat is no longer zoned as residential and isn't allowed to be sold/rented as such, which would be horrible and not really your responsibility and obviously you move out, it sounds horrendous, move out, let them try and chase you for rent any decent Judge would support you.

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