Offences by retailers online

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Found 24th Sep 2016
Apparently anyone of any age can buy a knife or alcohol online regardless of their age from which is against the Offensive Weapons Act etc. Obviously they take profit over the law.

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And online retailers are supposed to know your age how?

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Shengis

And online retailers are supposed to know your age how?



Yes they are supposed to know & if they dont know then they are not supposed to sell. Simples

So what do you suggest, shut down the internet then? I bet all the websites in the list you gave have in their t&c's that they are for over 18's only. If mummy lets her kids use the credit card, who's really at fault?

anything 18 rated knives etc should be signed on delivery to someone over 18

Some people just aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

What I want to know is why the kids are wasting money on steak knives from JL. Can't they just nick them from the cutlery drawer at home ffs LOL.

What age do you need to be to own a visa debit card ? To make said online purchase ?

I'm not doubting the OP's info but there is no link to it.
How can those providing the info on this know that under 18s are buying knives from the companies mentioned?

YouDontWantToKnow

Apparently anyone of any age can buy a knife or alcohol online … Apparently anyone of any age can buy a knife or alcohol online regardless of their age from which is against the Offensive Weapons Act etc...



[ gov.uk/gov…pdf ]

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Sale of knives and offensive weapons to persons under 18

Section 141A of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 makes it an offence to sell or let on hire to a person under 18 years:

* any knife, knife blade or razor blade
* any axe
* any sword
* any other article which has a blade or which is sharply pointed and which is made or adapted for use for causing injury to the person

The maximum penalty for this offence is six months imprisonment, or a fine, or both.

In Scotland it is not an offence to sell or let on hire a knife or blade that is designed for domestic use if the person is aged over 16.

This section does not apply to:

* any weapon to which section 141 of Criminal Justice Act 1988 applies
* any article described in section 1 of the Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act 1959
* a folding pocket - knife if the cutting edge of its blade does not exceed 7.62 cm (3 inches)
* razor blades permanently enclosed in a cartridge or housing where less than 2 mm of any blade is exposed beyond the plane which intersects the highest point of the surfaces preceding and following such blades

It is a defence to show that the accused believed the purchaser or hirer to be over 18 years old and he either took reasonable steps to establish the purchaser or hirer’s age or no reasonable person could have suspected from the purchaser or hirer’s appearance that he was under 18 years of age
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sadly, just like cigarettes, if kids want them, they will get them.

Companies like Blades uk do age checks before first order is dispatched. Of course that doesn't help if little timmy is using an established account to order things in secret.

Nothing is infallible and little timmy can just go to the kitchen and nick one from there so it doesn't matter anyway.

What a load of hot air about something that we can do nothing about without spending a truck loads of money; everyone sells to make a profit, to make effective enforcement of this single item, knife, you would need 10,000 officers doing enforcement nationally , each costs £100,000 per year salary including infrastructure and governance/management costs.

When you have an offence which could happen nationally, you would need a large budget in millions £££ even just to begin to talk about enforcement of an offence. Tons of offences are not even enforced now, e.g. they just tell you to contact your insurance company to claim for losses.
With 130,000 full time equivalent policemen in England and Wales, that a policeman per 460 or so population. How much more money, we haven't got, to do all the security work?! (And that number excludes all the other outsourced third party security services and plastic community offices.)
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Health warning : every time some one speaks of extra work, ask that person how much money he is willing to pay out of his own pocket



Edited by: "splender" 24th Sep 2016

splender

What a load of hot air about something that we can do nothing about … What a load of hot air about something that we can do nothing about without spending a truck loads of money; everyone sells to make a profit, to make effective enforcement of this single item, knife, you would need 10,000 officers doing enforcement nationally , each costs £100,000 per year salary including infrastructure and governance/management costs.



Which 10,000 retailers (or perhaps 5,000 if the officers attend in pairs) would you suggest targeting?

How many officers are needed for the other blades & sharply-pointed objects covered by the Criminal Justice Act 1988?


£100,000 per year? More hot air here too.

fanpages

Which 10,000 retailers (or perhaps 5,000 if the officers attend in pairs) … Which 10,000 retailers (or perhaps 5,000 if the officers attend in pairs) would you suggest targeting?.

250,000 shops and there is geo-graphical dispersion which means travel time, plus hours of coverage, are you going to have an officer by the cashier 12/7 or 5 mins per year?!
Namely how many of the potential million knife shopping cashier hours would you pay for?!

Edited by: "splender" 24th Sep 2016

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ceres

Have you personally tested each of these retailers and found them to be … Have you personally tested each of these retailers and found them to be wanting or is this just a chunk of old copy pasta on a slow news day?



Enjoy... Testing has been done by verified sources.;)

ceres

Well, you would say that wouldn't you. So just an old chunk of copy … Well, you would say that wouldn't you. So just an old chunk of copy pasta then.


No investor in GB will say, "I give you cast iron guarantee, there is no offence at these premises, if you found one or even 100 cases, I give you personally £10m."

splender

250,000 shops and there is geo-graphical dispersion which means travel … 250,000 shops and there is geo-graphical dispersion which means travel time, plus hours of coverage, are you going to have an officer by the cashier 12/7 or 5 mins per year?!Namely how many of the potential million knife shopping cashier hours would you pay for?!



Following notification of intention to enforce the existing law by communication at the individual retailers' main trading address, & offering advice to instruct individual employees with customer-facing responsibilities at the point-of-sale, you would then take random spot checks on various store branches throughout any given year, possibly attempting to purchase such items, & noting the procedures in-place to check for the legal age/legal weapon requirements.

Once a few retailers had been fined, others would ensure there procedures were corrected.

If follow-up checks prove unsatisactory, then trading (in those items) by the offending retailer can be suspended.

fanpages

Following notification of intention to enforce the existing law by … Following notification of intention to enforce the existing law by communication at the individual retailers' main trading address, & offering advice to instruct individual employees with customer-facing responsibilities at the point-of-sale, you would then take random spot checks on various store branches throughout any given year, possibly attempting to purchase such items, & noting the procedures in-place to check for the legal age/legal weapon requirements.Once a few retailers had been fined, others would ensure there procedures were corrected.If follow-up checks prove unsatisactory, then trading (in those items) by the offending retailer can be suspended.


That's being done for decades including cigs and alcols, how much more money you want to spend as tax payers for extra coverage is the question?! Lets say, you want to want to improve the current situation by 50%, you are going to run a security firm to do this, how much is your contract value that you want to propose to the government?

ceres

Well, you would say that wouldn't you. So just an old chunk of copy … Well, you would say that wouldn't you. So just an old chunk of copy pasta then.



The law states that they have to take reasonable steps to verify on age related goods. For online asking your age and/or to confirm you are over age is as reasonable as the law needs them to be. Also by doing this the person buying (if under age) is committing a criminal offence.

But yes it's a slow news story that has been talked about many times.

ceres

Wut?


Nevermind, it was pasta to you.

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rogparki

Might help with the defence of said online retailers? … Might help with the defence of said online retailers? https://www.thebalance.com/how-old-do-you-have-to-be-to-get-a-credit-card-960208




11 year olds can get debit cards.

splender

That's being done for decades including cigs and alcols, how much more … That's being done for decades including cigs and alcols, how much more money you want to spend as tax payers for extra coverage is the question?! Lets say, you want to want to improve the current situation by 50%, you are going to run a security firm to do this, how much is your contract value that you want to propose to the government?



It depends on what you are suggesting needs to be done to make improvements.

I am not quoting for a contract where the requirements are not stated.

Original Poster Banned

Any way guys... The above & probably a lot more retailers are trading illegally

The law is the law

YouDontWantToKnow

Any way guys... The above & probably a lot more retailers are trading … Any way guys... The above & probably a lot more retailers are trading illegally ;)The law is the law


Brexit is the Brexit.
Food is food.
Money is money.
Work is work.
Such meaningless and yet meaningful wisdom (depends who and when).

... and some people just look for things to be offend by. Something a course of counseling could help with...

steve1221

... and some people just look for things to be offend by. Something a … ... and some people just look for things to be offend by. Something a course of counseling could help with...


Hit the nail on the head in this particular instance there mate.

googleboogle

What age do you need to be to own a visa debit card ? To make said online … What age do you need to be to own a visa debit card ? To make said online purchase ?




Only have to be 11yrs old with Nationwide's Flex One account.

This good to know, need some new knives for the kitchen. Will ask the lad to get me some. Thanks op
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