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    Just got email from school that they are going to have an ofsted inspector come on the 5th and if we have any questions for him we can ask him then or submit them with the questionaire we are returning.

    cant think of anything i should ask...anything u guys have asked. FYI is a private school.
    thanks

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    If you are happy with the way the school is run then there is no need to ask anything!

    We submitted some positive comments about the school on the questionnaire form but didn't have any questions we thought they should ask school..........but if there is an issue you want to raise anonymously its a good way to do it.

    Banned

    My Littluns school had their OFSted 18 months ago. The report read quite well and it especially praised the Governors. Hardly surprising since I was a governor at the time! Had a 30 minute chat with one of the inspectors too about the website I did for the school. Thats now long gone, been replaced by a pile of poo, 'cos they didnt know how to maintain it - despite hours of tuition!

    Since its a private school MB... Id probably be tempted to ask if you were getting value for money and are the standards significantly better than municipal.

    Ask your child(ren) if they would like anything asked eg are toilets clean/smoke free, how is bullying dealt with, are there duff teachers? etc

    Sometimes youngsters don't think that they are allowed to ask this sort of question so worrying isses are left untackled.

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    THANKS FOR REPLIES GUYS!!

    guv;6768149

    Since its a private school MB... Id probably be tempted to ask if you … Since its a private school MB... Id probably be tempted to ask if you were getting value for money and are the standards significantly better than municipal.


    yeah but its not a pricey one. and its only till 11 so he gets past the 11 plus and into a gramar school (free in kent). we dont have super fab facilities here tbh....the private school next door is much better but fees there are twice as much as here. as i want him to go grammar i wont bother investing overly, esp now that we onna have three kiddies!

    cannyscot;6768160

    Ask your child(ren) if they would like anything asked eg are toilets … Ask your child(ren) if they would like anything asked eg are toilets clean/smoke free, how is bullying dealt with, are there duff teachers? etcSometimes youngsters don't think that they are allowed to ask this sort of question so worrying isses are left untackled.



    thats a fab idea. :thumbsup:

    Are you happy with the school? Are there any concerns you'd like to raise to the inspectors? You can make both positive and negative comments.

    Is your child happy at the school?

    Is there a school council? Are the childrens voices heard? How good is the school - parent relationship?

    Do you know at all times how well your child is doing within the school?

    Why oh why do schools get advanced warning of oftsted inspections? Defeats the object I think. My daughters school (a few years ago) put on a special play to try to impress the inspectors. They wouldnt have bothered otherwise.

    LJM;6768667

    Why oh why do schools get advanced warning of oftsted inspections? … Why oh why do schools get advanced warning of oftsted inspections? Defeats the object I think. My daughters school (a few years ago) put on a special play to try to impress the inspectors. They wouldnt have bothered otherwise.



    A decent inspector can see through this extra effort tbh. The college where I work got a grade 1 two years ago. All the inspectors looked at was data, not teaching (which was nice for me to escape for a change). OFSTED have reduced the notice period schools get but some notice is needed as there are certain things schools need to prepare in advance.

    LJM;6768667

    Why oh why do schools get advanced warning of oftsted inspections? … Why oh why do schools get advanced warning of oftsted inspections? Defeats the object I think. My daughters school (a few years ago) put on a special play to try to impress the inspectors. They wouldnt have bothered otherwise.



    They have 2 days notice now.

    MB - I know that things have changed in the inspection process since I was last Ofstedded and I've retired now, so I know even less!! They used to have a full meeting of all concerned = parents etc after the inspection for feedback. I don't know if they still do or if they just go by the parents' questionnaires, which are deemed very important.

    If you have specific questions or worries about any of the standards than you should voice them. For instance, if you think that the strategies for improving progress in your own child's English writing have been good then you could mention that and similarly if there has been, in your view, inadequate indivualised teaching, again for your own son - not a general rant!!, that would be a good point to make. The idea is to identify strengths and weaknesses so that improvements can be initiated if needs be.

    You could look at the last report and see those areas which were weak last time and ask whether the action plans have been implemented effectively.
    ofsted.gov.uk/oxc…ist

    I think you are specifically excluded from naming individual teachers but you can still say things like - well taught in science!

    LJM;6768667

    Why oh why do schools get advanced warning of oftsted inspections? … Why oh why do schools get advanced warning of oftsted inspections? Defeats the object I think. My daughters school (a few years ago) put on a special play to try to impress the inspectors. They wouldnt have bothered otherwise.




    My daughters school did something similar. They were inspected last month, and the put out all of these toys in the infant playground that have never been there before. They made it look like the kids had loads of things to keep them occupied in the playground. Inspectors went, toys went away and haven't been seen since, and they've never been out like that for the entire previous school year. The school also makes a point of frequently writing home and asking parents to keep all children, including younger siblings, off the climbing frames before and after school, and they've just banned the little scooters from the school grounds in the mornings and after school :w00t:

    Charlie&Lola;6768960

    My daughters school did something similar. They were inspected last … My daughters school did something similar. They were inspected last month, and the put out all of these toys in the infant playground that have never been there before. They made it look like the kids had loads of things to keep them occupied in the playground. Inspectors went, toys went away and haven't been seen since, and they've never been out like that for the entire previous school year. The school also makes a point of frequently writing home and asking parents to keep all children, including younger siblings, off the climbing frames before and after school, and they've just banned the little scooters from the school grounds in the mornings and after school :w00t:



    I think you can make a complaint to ofsted at any time if you feel the need to.

    I dont think it fair they put on one face for the inspectors and live by another every day.

    ClarityofMind;6769000

    I think you can make a complaint to ofsted at any time if you feel the … I think you can make a complaint to ofsted at any time if you feel the need to. I dont think it fair they put on one face for the inspectors and live by another every day.




    I told the inspector at the time, although they didn't seem overly concerned about it. My concern was if they're doing something as silly as this, then what else are they 'pretending' about in the school. since the new headteacher took over last year, the school has slowly been going downhill. It's a shame, because it was such a good school before. The last Ofsted inspection saw the school get a 2 grade in pretty much all areas, but this report was 3's in 99.9% of the areas, which is a worry really as it's only 1 grade away from being unsatisfactory

    Charlie&Lola;6769056

    I told the inspector at the time, although they didn't seem overly … I told the inspector at the time, although they didn't seem overly concerned about it. My concern was if they're doing something as silly as this, then what else are they 'pretending' about in the school. since the new headteacher took over last year, the school has slowly been going downhill. It's a shame, because it was such a good school before. The last Ofsted inspection saw the school get a 2 grade in pretty much all areas, but this report was 3's in 99.9% of the areas, which is a worry really as it's only 1 grade away from being unsatisfactory



    Remember though that grade 3 is technically 'satisfactory'. The problem with a four point grading system this. Our inhouse policy now is that any teacher who receives a grade 3 in an internal observations is reobserved; personally not sure abouyt thatas they are deemed to be satisfactory. I would be concerned if a school fell so dramatically from grade 2 to grade 3. My main concern when choosing my kids school will be whether they will be happy, not something I have really seen OFSTED bother with. Best source of info is often parents of kids at the school already.

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    stewby;6768741

    OFSTED have reduced the notice period schools get but some notice is … OFSTED have reduced the notice period schools get but some notice is needed as there are certain things schools need to prepare in advance.



    Like what?
    How long do inspections last? Is it a day or spread over a few days?

    colinsunderland;6769600

    Like what?How long do inspections last? Is it a day or spread over a few … Like what?How long do inspections last? Is it a day or spread over a few days?




    OFSTED do a lot of 'light touch' inspections now, which last around 3 days. They only do longer inspections if they see problems (such as the post above with a drop from grade 2 to grade 3, they may well schedule a longer inspection in the near future) They also love their paper work so schools need a couple of days notice to prepapre all of the paper work; if not the inspector would just end up sitting about waiting for it all to be readied for them. Also, when observing lessons OFSTED like to see things on lesson plans that ordinarily teachers wouldn't put on them. TBH the whole process is so artifical from both sides. Remember when I first worked in scholls and OFSTED could be in for two weeks.

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    thanks for that information

    If 2 days is enough to get everything ready, and the inspection lasts 3 days, surely they could walk in on a Monday morning to start the inspection without any notice and do the hands on part first, then Tuesday afternoon/Weds morning inspect the paperwork which would be ready by then

    colinsunderland;6769689

    thanks for that informationIf 2 days is enough to get everything ready, … thanks for that informationIf 2 days is enough to get everything ready, and the inspection lasts 3 days, surely they could walk in on a Monday morning to start the inspection without any notice and do the hands on part first, then Tuesday afternoon/Weds morning inspect the paperwork which would be ready by then



    It's the paper work which informs the inspection, so if let's say, the signs are ( results, teacher observations, self-assessments, line manger assessments, whole school action plans, pupil feedback, discussions with pupils, questionnaires etc ) that there may be a problem in one area then they will concentrate on that ( or those) and light touch the rest. Basically, it's the school paper work that is being assessed quite often.

    colinsunderland;6769689

    thanks for that informationIf 2 days is enough to get everything ready, … thanks for that informationIf 2 days is enough to get everything ready, and the inspection lasts 3 days, surely they could walk in on a Monday morning to start the inspection without any notice and do the hands on part first, then Tuesday afternoon/Weds morning inspect the paperwork which would be ready by then



    I suppose they could. They are really big on self-assessment now though so don't actually observe that much actual teaching. I ti s a good idea in principle as it means schools/colleges are continually monitoring themselves against OFSTED's standards. This should mean that we lose the cycle of schools gearing up for the 'big' OFSTED visit every 4 years and then letting things slip for a couple of years. It doesn't work in my experience though. To inspect in the manner they do now, they need the paperwork first, then do a few lesson obs, then more paperwork. Incidentally, my employer thought they could fool OFSTED by manipulating the figures. Ended up in a million pound fine for fraud and redundancies due to the debt created by the fine. This then meant that class sizes had to be bigger. Not OFSTED's fault but just shows you the pressure that school/college mangers feel to get that grade 1.

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    ClarityofMind;6768618

    Are you happy with the school? Are there any concerns you'd like to raise … Are you happy with the school? Are there any concerns you'd like to raise to the inspectors? You can make both positive and negative comments.Is your child happy at the school?Is there a school council? Are the childrens voices heard? How good is the school - parent relationship? Do you know at all times how well your child is doing within the school?




    good tips thanks!
    chesso;6768803

    They have 2 days notice now.MB - I know that things have changed in the … They have 2 days notice now.MB - I know that things have changed in the inspection process since I was last Ofstedded and I've retired now, so I know even less!! They used to have a full meeting of all concerned = parents etc after the inspection for feedback. I don't know if they still do or if they just go by the parents' questionnaires, which are deemed very important.If you have specific questions or worries about any of the standards than you should voice them. For instance, if you think that the strategies for improving progress in your own child's English writing have been good then you could mention that and similarly if there has been, in your view, inadequate indivualised teaching, again for your own son - not a general rant!!, that would be a good point to make. The idea is to identify strengths and weaknesses so that improvements can be initiated if needs be.You could look at the last report and see those areas which were weak last time and ask whether the action plans have been implemented effectively.http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/oxcare_providers/listI think you are specifically excluded from naming individual teachers but you can still say things like - well taught in science!




    thanks chesso. wow ur clued up!!

    Inspections last different amounts of time depending on the school. They can give 1 - 3 days notice of an inspection but can't just turn up as they need to tell the head what documents they want to see and who they need to meet with (govenors, heads of department etc). Depending on the size of school, they can last between 1 and 5 days.

    The one thing I would say is only mention things you'd be prepared to talk about. For example, if you have a problem with your child's teacher, homework, disicpline etc, you need to ask yourself if why you haven't spoken to someone at school about it... if they don't know there is a problem they can't fix it.

    If you have spoken to someone in school about it and you're not happy with the response then mention it on the questionaire.

    Equally, if there is something about the school or staff that you are really happy with then mention that too!

    It's also an idea to ask your child after the inspection if things were done differently during it's course, that way you'll know if the report really reflects what's happening in the school. If the sessions were abnormally good or interesting, ask the head why this was the case.

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    esther6mw;6772148

    Inspections last different amounts of time depending on the school. They … Inspections last different amounts of time depending on the school. They can give 1 - 3 days notice of an inspection but can't just turn up as they need to tell the head what documents they want to see and who they need to meet with (govenors, heads of department etc). Depending on the size of school, they can last between 1 and 5 days.The one thing I would say is only mention things you'd be prepared to talk about. For example, if you have a problem with your child's teacher, homework, disicpline etc, you need to ask yourself if why you haven't spoken to someone at school about it... if they don't know there is a problem they can't fix it.If you have spoken to someone in school about it and you're not happy with the response then mention it on the questionaire.Equally, if there is something about the school or staff that you are really happy with then mention that too!It's also an idea to ask your child after the inspection if things were done differently during it's course, that way you'll know if the report really reflects what's happening in the school. If the sessions were abnormally good or interesting, ask the head why this was the case.




    thanks. looks like this was ur first post! aww welcome to hukd, ur very helpful
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