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    Ok, so I'll ask.

    Say a member wanted to trade some PS3 games for some others. The menber makes it perfectly clear that they are NOT for sale, they are for swapping only.
    Why should you have to individually value each game? What's the point?

    Yes, I know it says it in the rules but could someone please explain the reason for it?

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    So they can see if its worth a straight swap or if money needs to be involved. So you can compare the two things you are trading. And because ASB is usually about.

    yeah, for comparison for instance, someone offered kameo to a new person as a straight swap for modernwarfare 2 that wouldnt really be fair would it

    supermod

    It's to give the items a valuation which helps when offering other items in trade as Met-Cast has said.

    as above really saves unnecessary haggling over prices :thumbsup:

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    Met-Cast;7158471

    So they can see if its worth a straight swap or if money needs to be … So they can see if its worth a straight swap or if money needs to be involved. So you can compare the two things you are trading. And because ASB is usually about.



    An individual sees 'X' available for trade. He has 'Y' that he no longer plays. 'Will you swap 'X' for 'Y' OP?
    'Yes' - ok, fine.
    'No' - ok, fine.
    It's either a simple yes or no.

    Banned

    it doesnt really matter what price you put though, trades of higher value items happen all the time, take the hamsters for instance, they wont sell them becaused they know they can get a higher value item buy trading, so pretty pointless really

    deek72;7158526

    An individual sees 'X' available for trade. He has 'Y' that he no longer … An individual sees 'X' available for trade. He has 'Y' that he no longer plays. 'Will you swap 'X' for 'Y' OP?'Yes' - ok, fine.'No' - ok, fine.It's either a simple yes or no.



    true, not too much hassle to write a price anyway is it?;-)

    Charlie Scene;7158513

    as above really saves unnecessary haggling over prices :thumbsup:



    but they are swapping so prices dont come into it.

    deek72;7158526

    An individual sees 'X' available for trade. He has 'Y' that he no longer … An individual sees 'X' available for trade. He has 'Y' that he no longer plays. 'Will you swap 'X' for 'Y' OP?'Yes' - ok, fine.'No' - ok, fine.It's either a simple yes or no.



    thats how i see it regarding swaps.

    richp;7158552

    but they are swapping so prices dont come into it.



    yes sorry meant value not price :-D

    deek72;7158526

    An individual sees 'X' available for trade. He has 'Y' that he no longer … An individual sees 'X' available for trade. He has 'Y' that he no longer plays. 'Will you swap 'X' for 'Y' OP?'Yes' - ok, fine.'No' - ok, fine.It's either a simple yes or no.



    But say he plays X but really wants this Y but this Y costs alot less?

    sigma;7158511

    It's to give the items a valuation which helps when offering other items … It's to give the items a valuation which helps when offering other items in trade as Met-Cast has said.



    Can I be a mod now? :-D

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    richp;7158552

    but they are swapping so prices dont come into it.





    My point exactly. Regarding the Kameo/MW2 example, if MW2 wanted Kameo instead, then it's up to him. Should he be told 'no you can't have Kameo as it's not worth as much as your MW2'?

    Met-Cast;7158576

    But say he plays X but really wants this Y but this Y costs alot less?



    It's up to him to decide if it's worth the swap.

    Banned

    Met-Cast;7158576

    But say he plays X but really wants this Y but this Y costs alot less?



    asb said that it is up to each person to decide what their item is worth, so if someone wants to trade a brand new £40 item for a £10 item, then the person with £40 item will just say they value their item at £10, if that makes sense

    but think at the end of the day it boils down to that discretion thingie ma jig

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    sassie;7158617

    asb said that it is up to each person to decide what their item is worth, … asb said that it is up to each person to decide what their item is worth, so if someone wants to trade a brand new £40 item for a £10 item, then the person with £40 item will just say they value their item at £10, if that makes sense



    And if both parties are happy with the swap, what's the problem?

    Met-Cast;7158576

    But say he plays X but really wants this Y but this Y costs alot less?



    forget the value of x & y, its a swap not a sale, if both parties are happy to swap irrespective of prices then it should be pretty straight forward :thinking:

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    richp;7158658

    forgot the value of x & y, its a swap not a sale, if both parties are … forgot the value of x & y, its a swap not a sale, if both parties are happy to swap irrespective of prices then it should be pretty straight forward :thinking:



    Exactly.:thumbsup:

    Banned

    deek72;7158657

    And if both parties are happy with the swap, what's the problem?



    it is done to stop members using the boards to profiteer, like buying hard to come buy items to sell/trade for higher items, they have to draw a line somewhere and this is where its been drawn, but as said it doesnt really matter as those wanting to trade just adjust the value of their item , so everyone happy

    Feedback????

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    skusey;7158712

    Feedback????



    Yes, yours is very good. Well done.:thumbsup:

    deek72;7158728

    Yes, yours is very good. Well done.:thumbsup:



    Cheers, hows things matey?

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    sassie;7158686

    but as said it doesnt really matter as those wanting to trade just adjust … but as said it doesnt really matter as those wanting to trade just adjust the value of their item , so everyone happy



    So then what's the point of the valuation rule if people can just adjust the value of their item? That's just sidestepping the rule anyway so it may as well not be applied in the first place.

    skusey;7158765

    Cheers, hows things matey?



    Good here, :thumbsup:

    deek72;7158771

    So then what's the point of the valuation rule if people can just adjust … So then what's the point of the valuation rule if people can just adjust the value of their item? That's just sidestepping the rule anyway so it may as well not be applied in the first place.



    agree, very hit and miss

    Banned

    sassie;7158686

    it is done to stop members using the boards to profiteer, like buying … it is done to stop members using the boards to profiteer, like buying hard to come buy items to sell/trade for higher items, they have to draw a line somewhere and this is where its been drawn, but as said it doesnt really matter as those wanting to trade just adjust the value of their item , so everyone happy



    deek72;7158771

    So then what's the point of the valuation rule if people can just adjust … So then what's the point of the valuation rule if people can just adjust the value of their item? That's just sidestepping the rule anyway so it may as well not be applied in the first place.



    mod discretion

    Banned

    Didnt there used to be a rule against this though?

    ODB_69;7158872

    Didnt there used to be a rule against this though?




    lol a rule for a rule

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    richp;7158900

    lol a rule for a rule


    welcome to the crazy world of HUKD....where the mods dont know the rules themselves

    Banned

    everything keepos changing., one minute you cant sell/trade anything that came as free, then you can, its got so cafuddled with little bits being added here, there and everywhere, a complete rewrite is needed but wont happen

    Banned

    sassie;7158968

    everything keepos changing., one minute you cant sell/trade anything that … everything keepos changing., one minute you cant sell/trade anything that came as free, then you can, its got so cafuddled with little bits being added here, there and everywhere, a complete rewrite is needed but wont happen



    what you expect? they make up the rules as they go along....always have!

    and letting scammers come on....I'll only trade with known members from now on

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    sassie;7158968

    everything keepos changing., one minute you cant sell/trade anything that … everything keepos changing., one minute you cant sell/trade anything that came as free,



    That's another that gets on my tet.
    Example, I win a PS3. I already got one so I decide to give a fellow HUKDer a bargain and sell it for £120.
    Oh, wait, I can't make my fellow HUKDers day and give them a bargain can I cos I got it for nothin!
    Just plain daft.

    Banned

    ODB_69;7159008

    what you expect? they make up the rules as they go along....always … what you expect? they make up the rules as they go along....always have!and letting scammers come on....I'll only trade with known members from now on



    I think its because the rules are so ermmm cant think of the word here, but sort of a bit like this or maybe a bit like that, sorry im now making no sense, i was all for a complete crackdown on the fs boards because i did feel it would put it right, but its as much of a mess now as its always been, to much inconsistency, although people will try to get round any rule that is made, as well all see only to often

    Banned

    deek72;7159037

    That's another that gets on my tet. Example, I win a PS3. I already got … That's another that gets on my tet. Example, I win a PS3. I already got one so I decide to give a fellow HUKDer a bargain and sell it for £120.Oh, wait, I can't make my fellow HUKDers day and give them a bargain can I cos I got it for nothin!Just plain daft.



    cause technically its profiteering....but I thought they ok'd that now?

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    ODB_69;7159051

    cause technically its profiteering....but I thought they ok'd that now?



    Sure, technically it is. But again, if both parties are happy what's the problem?

    Banned

    deek72;7159116

    Sure, technically it is. But again, if both parties are happy what's the … Sure, technically it is. But again, if both parties are happy what's the problem?



    because hukds rules are not about what make you happy, its about what admin sees as right

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    sassie;7159136

    because hukds rules are not about what make you happy, its about what … because hukds rules are not about what make you happy, its about what admin sees as right



    yup, that just about sums it up I think.

    sassie;7159136

    because hukds rules are not about what make you happy, its about what … because hukds rules are not about what make you happy, its about what admin sees as right



    at some point in our lives we have to make a trip to Specsavers to see things more clearly, perhaps it's time for admin's trip.

    Banned

    sigma;7158511

    It's to give the items a valuation which helps when offering other items … It's to give the items a valuation which helps when offering other items in trade as Met-Cast has said.



    Why would it make any difference?

    if I want to swap my item that's worth £100 for something worth £5, that's down to me surely?


    There are times rules are useful and necessary and other times when they are completely pointless and serve zero purpose.

    This falls into the later category IMHO.

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    guv;7159251

    Why would it make any difference?if I want to swap my item that's worth … Why would it make any difference?if I want to swap my item that's worth £100 for something worth £5, that's down to me surely?There are times rules are useful and necessary and other times when they are completely pointless and serve zero purpose.This falls into the later category IMHO.



    You are 100% correct. This is one rule that cannot be convincingly explained.
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