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    PC Wizard Needed, what do I Buy?

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    Ok, I need a new PC. I am comfortable building myself as I have done so for a while now, my current PC has an 8800gts graphics card, 4gb ram, Vista Ultimate, 3TB Storage, Q6600 Quad Core, P5N32E Motherboard.....and it's way to SLOOOWWWW..

    So, all I've bought so far is 3 x 1.5tb Hard Drives for the storage and 1 x Western Digital Raptor Drive (160gb) for the operating system).....and I've ordered the Antec Mini P180 case

    What next? I need a decent motherboard, Ram, Processor, Graphics card combination, My current ram is 800mhz and is way to slow...so do I get 8gb of ram? or just faster 4gb...???

    I don't use my PC for gaming ...ever...I have my PS3 for that, I use it for rendering videos (I'm a wedding camera man, I create DVD's of peoples weddings, currently the rendering takes about 3 hours opnce finished, my old PC took 2 days, so now I'm after getting it done in about 1 hour)....Also have several applications open at once, like Fireworks, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Media Player, Sony Vegas etc etc....I need POWER....HELP...what works?

    Thanks Folks

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    Wow... spec looks awesome... I always thaught Apple macs were mainly used for this kind of work!
    Have you looked into them? May work out cheaper and better for the job you want it for.

    Just advice.

    Original Poster Banned

    I think my main problem is my Ram....but when I'm not happy I start again....I can't find any sites that help with the best combinations....

    Buy a mac.

    Original Poster Banned

    zish_uk;2994026

    Wow... spec looks awesome... I always thaught Apple macs were mainly used … Wow... spec looks awesome... I always thaught Apple macs were mainly used for this kind of work!Have you looked into them? May work out cheaper and better for the job you want it for.Just advice.



    Thanks, Sadly to late now, I've forked out over £3000 on software (£1400 alone on adobe stuff) and it's all for the PC..... Besides I love Vista (I may be the only one)

    If you really want the best performance you are going to have to wait a few month for Intel's latest processors.

    en.wikipedia.org/wik…ure)

    New motherboards and such will also be coming out also - right now is a bad time to buy for enthusiasts.

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    PhearFactor;2994039

    If you really want the best performance you are going to have to wait a … If you really want the best performance you are going to have to wait a few month for Intel's latest processors.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture)New motherboards and such will also be coming out also - right now is a bad time to buy for enthusiasts.



    Ooh what's this? Does this have any release dates?

    Yeah if you read the page it should tell you. Basically a lot of reviewers have systems from Intel (with the new processors/motherboards etc) to write up on very soon - so I think we will be seeing them in the shops in the next few month.

    By the way, what issues are you having with your RAM exactly?

    ajay87;2994029

    Buy a mac.



    [CENTER]http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/434/macbookcommodorecompareur1.jpg[/CENTER]

    ;-)

    Build your own rendering farm.

    fox2020;2994069

    [CENTER][/CENTER];-)



    :roll:

    Not really suitable for a desktop video editing set up is it?! More of a portable laptop???? Yes.

    I'll be more specific...

    Buy a Mac Pro / imac... however seeing as though you have all that software, obviously a little bit too late! You could think about running Vista via bootcamp / virtual machine though. Will get a better performance out of it.

    yes, if you've got a Q6600 wait for the Core i7, probs worth upgrading then

    or this, but it'll cost ya!

    Core 2 Extreme QX9775

    * Four processor cores in one processor package
    * 3.2 GHz clock frequency
    * 1600 MHz FSB
    * Fabricated on 45 nm process
    * 12 MiB L2 cache (6 MiB per core pair)

    Intel D5400XS motherboard

    * Two LGA 771 CPU sockets (supports Xeon DP processors)
    * Four FB-DIMM slots supporting maximum 16 GB of system memory at 800 MHz
    * Four x16 PCI Express 1.1a slots
    * Two PCI 2.3 slots
    * Six SATA 3.0 Gbit/s ports
    * Two eSATA ports
    * Ten USB ports

    (wiki)

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    PhearFactor;2994066

    By the way, what issues are you having with your RAM exactly?



    Not sure if it's the Ram, or the motherboard or the PSU or what?

    At present I can only have one stick in as it won't boot with 2 (running 2x2gb), it did used to work fine but now it doesn't, also when the ram was in it only got a vista rating of 4.7 yet my HP laptop with 3gb of ram got 5.9 ???

    ajay87;2994029

    Buy a mac.



    Yawn, yawn, Zzzzzzzzz

    If your having problems using more than 1 stick, or more than 3 etc - it will be related to the BIOS and it might need updating. Also what Vista are you running on - 32bit, or 64bit?

    You may also need to apply patches to Windows to get it to work correctly with more than 3gb of memory.
    support.microsoft.com/kb/…777

    Original Poster Banned

    it's 64bit vista ultimate

    When I first installed it I had to install an update as it wouldn't allow more than 3gb, so after the patch it was fine for about 6months, then one day when turned on it wouldn't power up, so I stripped the pc and started again and found having 1 stick worked in any port, I can even change which stick which is even more weird, they both work

    So what your saying is, the 2 sticks of memory you have work separately but when paired together they fail to boot the system?

    Zootaga;2994034

    Thanks, Sadly to late now, I've forked out over £3000 on software (£1400 a … Thanks, Sadly to late now, I've forked out over £3000 on software (£1400 alone on adobe stuff) and it's all for the PC..... Besides I love Vista (I may be the only one)



    You could still by a mac pro and use vista with it, if you're after triple the performance you'd probably looking at some sort of dual quad-core processor system though.

    Read up on what the particular software you're running needs though, there must be video editing forums out there?

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    dcx_badass;2994060

    Do you edit HD?



    Yeah I do, I have recently started offering weddings on Blu-ray, the techs getting married love it...also I have my TV hooked up to my PC with a Blu-ray /HD-DVD drive to watch high def movies

    If your serious about this (and you appear to be) dual chip mobo skulltrail comes to mind and Nvidia quadro fx gfx, will require a lot of money and upgrading

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    PhearFactor;2994126

    So what your saying is, the 2 sticks of memory you have work separately … So what your saying is, the 2 sticks of memory you have work separately but when paired together they fail to boot the system?



    Yeah.... they both work in all 4 ports seperately...but put them together and it won't boot....I did have a problem a while back trying to install a wireless N card and found that my PSU wasn't powerful enough so I bought an 850w....Could it be that that's just to small?

    elflembo;2994137

    Nvidia quadro fx gfx



    This seems to be the flaw with the system. You have bought a standard graphics card which are not designed for what your doing.

    As Elf suggests: nvidia.co.uk/pag…tml



    Zootaga;2994147

    Yeah.... they both work in all 4 ports seperately...but put them together … Yeah.... they both work in all 4 ports seperately...but put them together and it won't boot....I did have a problem a while back trying to install a wireless N card and found that my PSU wasn't powerful enough so I bought an 850w....Could it be that that's just to small?



    No, I would suggest you check to see if you can update the motherboard BIOS first. If that don't work/cannot be done (no updates) then possibly RMA the memory and the motherboard - which means system downtime.

    It could even be related to the information posted here:
    asktheramguy.com/v3/…056

    deek72;2994108

    Yawn, yawn, Zzzzzzzzz



    Bored of Windows are we?

    I'm not going to get in to a mac argument. I was offering advice, a lot more than you are doing.

    For the use of his computer, it sounds like he would benifit from having a mac.

    Original Poster Banned

    Thanks for all your help (rep added) ....Got some good advice here

    Memory is well known to be picky, simple voltage changes in the BIOS and other tweaks can fix the most perplexing problems in only a few seconds. Although you will have to look around for people with similar problems to you with your motherboard. I doubt it is the memory if the sticks work on their own, best to get your tweaking fingers out and go to work in the BIOS (if you know how to hehe).

    Zootaga;2994180

    Thanks for all your help (rep added) ....Got some good advice here



    Yeah but have you tried working on a mac:w00t::p

    Original Poster Banned

    I did have a look at changing the ram settings in my bios but there isn;t any settings there, unless I'm looking in the wrong place, Deffinetely like the look of this core i7 things, the videos certainly hype it up....I have a budget of about £1000ish so hopefully it will be affordable....

    One more question.....Graphics.....I have the 8800gts and was goonna go for the 9800 range or better...are the radeon cards better? 4870 cards are cheap now

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    jtx;2994215

    Yeah but have you tried working on a mac:w00t::p



    I'm a stubborn guy and like windows and the PC...a bit like Xbox vs PS3, I love my PS3 and even though I know the Xbox is better in someways I will never buy one because of my loyalty and stubborness towards the PS3 (by the way I am in no way suggesting the Xbox is overall better, save that debate for another late night)

    jtx;2994215

    Yeah but have you tried working on a mac:w00t::p



    Yep, I did http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/1662/doh4jw.gif , looks nice but.........................:?

    What do you mean your current RAM is 'way too slow'? You have a pretty high spec pc, you won't see large improvements in anything except 'benchmarks' by upgrading...

    ajay87;2994175

    Bored of Windows are we?I'm not going to get in to a mac argument. I was … Bored of Windows are we?I'm not going to get in to a mac argument. I was offering advice, a lot more than you are doing.For the use of his computer, it sounds like he would benifit from having a mac.



    Yeah, very professional, in-depth advice, 'Buy a mac'.

    Zootaga;2994227

    One more question.....Graphics.....I have the 8800gts and was goonna go … One more question.....Graphics.....I have the 8800gts and was goonna go for the 9800 range or better...are the radeon cards better? 4870 cards are cheap now



    If your video editing and not gaming then you want a card designed for that. See my earlier post.

    I don't think you'd notice any difference with a new graphics card when you're not doing any gaming, as far as I'm aware while they currently have decode assist they don't have any hardware for encoding.

    Looking at your PC the obvious problem is the Q6600 processor, is this at a stock 2.4Ghz speed? Video encoding has always favoured high clockspeeds which is why the P4 always did well in this area, I would expect a high clocked dual core processor to outperform the lower clocked quad as I don't think anything is going to be able to make enough use of the two additional cores against the clock speed deficit.

    John

    Johnmcl7;2994282

    I don't think you'd notice any difference with a new graphics card when … I don't think you'd notice any difference with a new graphics card when you're not doing any gaming, as far as I'm aware while they currently have decode assist they don't have any hardware for encoding.Looking at your PC the obvious problem is the Q6600 processor, is this at a stock 2.4Ghz speed? Video encoding has always favoured high clockspeeds which is why the P4 always did well in this area, I would expect a high clocked dual core processor to outperform the lower clocked quad as I don't think anything is going to be able to make enough use of the two additional cores against the clock speed deficit.John



    Nonsense - video encoding is one of the easiest areas to multithread - a quad-core 2.4GHz with a decent multithreaded encoder will be faster than a 4GHz dual-core! And Core microarchitecture is substantially better than P4...

    deek72;2994271

    Yeah, very professional, in-depth advice, 'Buy a mac'.


    :roll:

    Far better than your advice really, wasn't it...?

    Where does it state to give professional, in-depth advice?! I could do so if needed.

    There must be alot of money in filming weddings and theres cake and bridemaids :thumbsup:

    jah128;2994333

    Nonsense - video encoding is one of the easiest areas to multithread - a … Nonsense - video encoding is one of the easiest areas to multithread - a quad-core 2.4GHz with a decent multithreaded encoder will be faster than a 4GHz dual-core! And Core microarchitecture is substantially better than P4...


    I was not claiming the P4 was faster than a Core processor, simply that despite being a comparatively poor performer against the A64's the late netburst processors the P4's were always fast at video encoding thanks to their long pipelines and high clockspeeds.

    You've also mentioned the caveat in your own post - the quad core performance is entirely reliant on software support whereas clockspeed does not need it. At the time given that he's planning an upgrade now I'd have opted for one of the fast dual cores and then upgraded to a faster quad later when the software support was better for it. As it stands, I still think the processor is in main need of upgrade for the system, quad or not. Admittedly there's no mention of overclocking which given some of the Q6600's ability in this area it may simply be an omission but I suspect not.

    John

    from experience the biggest single boost to video rendering after all main points are taken care of is to a raid 0 array for working on, usually knocks 30-40% off job. if you are doing HD material consider using raptors and maybe going to 4 drives

    Zootaga;2994227

    I did have a look at changing the ram settings in my bios but there isn;t … I did have a look at changing the ram settings in my bios but there isn;t any settings there, unless I'm looking in the wrong place, Deffinetely like the look of this core i7 things, the videos certainly hype it up....I have a budget of about £1000ish so hopefully it will be affordable....One more question.....Graphics.....I have the 8800gts and was goonna go for the 9800 range or better...are the radeon cards better? 4870 cards are cheap now



    You won't see any difference if your software doesn't specifically use the graphics cards processing power. Games do and CAD software does, but photo editing generally doesn't. Does video editing do so?

    Johnmcl7;2994451

    I was not claiming the P4 was faster than a Core processor, simply that … I was not claiming the P4 was faster than a Core processor, simply that despite being a comparatively poor performer against the A64's the late netburst processors the P4's were always fast at video encoding thanks to their long pipelines and high clockspeeds.You've also mentioned the caveat in your own post - the quad core performance is entirely reliant on software support whereas clockspeed does not need it. At the time given that he's planning an upgrade now I'd have opted for one of the fast dual cores and then upgraded to a faster quad later when the software support was better for it. As it stands, I still think the processor is in main need of upgrade for the system, quad or not. Admittedly there's no mention of overclocking which given some of the Q6600's ability in this area it may simply be an omission but I suspect not.John



    I take what you are trying to say, and certainly it is true that a couple of years ago a P4 3.6GHz would outperform an A64 2.0GHz comfortably at video-encoding and other largely-in-order processes; I don't agree about 'upping' to a higher-clocked dual-core though - firstly as you correctly mention the Q6600 has a very decent overclocking potential (3GHz on air is likely) and secondly if the current software for video encoding is effective only on 1/2 cores then the best upgrade would surely be better software - get the CPU load maximised across all four cores and you will not better the performance by switching back to two.

    The Q6600 is an excellent processor - you will not notice a large difference even changing to the most expensive CPU's of the moment (its hard to notice a 30% clock-speed/IPS improvement in general day to day stuff) and you would notice even less moving from 800MHz DDR2 to faster ram (the biggest improvement that would bring is an increase the maximum potential overclock, which is of course very motherboard and cooling specific anyway...)
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