Groups

    Petition for forces hospitals. please sign

    As i am still working hard on my campaign for my husband and his troops i am now attatched to SOS - support our soldiers. And am campaigning for many things..
    This included, would appreciate it if you could sign the petition and pass on to as many people as possible.

    Military hospitals.

    petitions.pm.gov.uk/For…ls/petitions.pm.gov.uk/For…ls/

    the above link is a petition for

    We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Bring back dedicated military hospitals and provide adequate facilities (non NHS) for members of the Armed Forces who are injured or disabled in the course of their duties

    23 Comments

    Seems like a reasonable request, name will be added later :thumbsup:

    Would you care to explain why the reasoning behind this petition? I work in an NHS hospital that provides medical services to the forces so I'm interested in what problems people think there are.....

    I've used Military Hospitals, they were very good, but I'm going back a few years..

    Original Poster

    Thanks to anyone who has signed this. the troops work in terrible conditions in war zones and unfortunatly terrible things do happen.. for instance take a look at the bombing in iraq last night-one soldier killed, three badly injured.. 1000 lads involved... They deserve to have hospitals where they can go and be treated if badly disabled or injured from being at war, i can only imagine the things they see and how traumatising it can be... that is why i think private military hospitals are a good thing.

    Signed.

    Gotta back Gari189 on this one....
    I fail to see how or why dedicated Military Hospitals are an improvement over using the same funds towards NHS improvements. The troops are UK citizens, the same as every one of us (possible exception would be the Gurkha's & any other remaining foreign national regiments?!?) & should be treated the same.
    Start-up costs on buildings, equipment & staffing would be far in excess of providing the necessary treatment within the NHS.
    Perhaps the best option would be to use several hospitals up & down the country as 'Forces specialised' as certain hospitals already have specialisations (in areas such as heart/brain/eye/etc surgery or cancer care)?

    Original Poster

    CHARLIETHIRTYTWO

    Gotta back Gari189 on this one....I fail to see how or why dedicated … Gotta back Gari189 on this one....I fail to see how or why dedicated Military Hospitals are an improvement over using the same funds towards NHS improvements. The troops are UK citizens, the same as every one of us (possible exception would be the Gurkha's & any other remaining foreign national regiments?!?) & should be treated the same.Start-up costs on buildings, equipment & staffing would be far in excess of providing the necessary treatment within the NHS.Perhaps the best option would be to use several hospitals up & down the country as 'Forces specialised' as certain hospitals already have specialisations (in areas such as heart/brain/eye/etc surgery or cancer care)?




    I do see what your saying, however even forces specialised is better than nothing!
    There did used to be military hospitals and the facicilities were amazing! were talking about severe injurys and men needing hospititlization for months! and the NHS standard hospitals dont cater for these needs.
    So many things have been closed down, even the barraks in london area are being closed down thanks to the government wanting to fund the war in iraq! we shouldnt even be out there... but thats another rant i dont want to get in to:-D

    Now i dont think you could get any more pro forces, than myself, but i actually dont agree with the OP. I agree that the NHS provide adequate care and attention, and the forces medics provide the best care that they can beforehand.

    I have concerns about this petition. Its implying that NHS standards are worse than the previous military hospitals. (Any evidence for this apart from tabloid headlines) Its also implying that services should receive a better health service than the rest of the public (including the servicemens/womens own families/kids/spouses). PCT finances are mentioned in the petition but this has nothing to do with the treatment of military personnel who are treated under contracts with NHS hospitals.

    Many of the trauma injuries suffered by military personnel are similar to those seen in the NHS due to traffic accidents etc and the NHS see alot more amputees than is likely to be seen in the military. Surgeons, nursing staff etc from the military are trained in NHS hospitals so you could say they get to practice on the rest of us. The NHS also benefits from their expertise and the military benefits by having the capacity of the NHS available to them.

    I think the system should be left as is......unless everyone wants to pay more taxes to improve NHS services further but thats a different topic

    Original Poster

    Look all i asked is for people to sign it that agree with it. Didnt ask for everyone to get all so uptight regarding it.
    I didnt set the petition up someone from one of the military site, im merely passing it on to help that person. Everyone has different opinions. It is all about having the chance to express your opinion if you agree.

    lynsey78

    Look all i asked is for people to sign it that agree with it. Didnt ask … Look all i asked is for people to sign it that agree with it. Didnt ask for everyone to get all so uptight regarding it. I didnt set the petition up someone from one of the military site, im merely passing it on to help that person. Everyone has different opinions. It is all about having the chance to express your opinion if you agree.



    I don't think anyone here is knocking what the services themselves are doing (the reasoning behind why they're there is a TOTALLY different matter!?!) but the whole point of posting on HUKD is to make something known to a wider audience, whether this is a deal or in your case, this petition & you've done that.
    In both cases there will be people both pro & against so just leave the petition there & accept that not everyone will agree with the idea.
    (I highlighted the end of your post but assume that you don't actually mean that people should ONLY post if they agree with you/this petition?!?!)

    Original Poster

    oh no not at all, people can post what ever they think, at the end of the day i thought posting the petition is a good way to spread awareness of something.

    Lynsey78 - You know I support you in everything you have done so far :friends: I will pass the link out via my email tomorrow - however - i personally believe that everyone deserves the same medical treatment no matter who they are or what they do.

    lynsey78

    oh no not at all, people can post what ever they think, at the end of the … oh no not at all, people can post what ever they think, at the end of the day i thought posting the petition is a good way to spread awareness of something.


    It is a good way of upping the profile of any cause that you believe in given the traffic on this site it just seemed like you were taking certain posts to heart.
    Hey, if you got 1 or 100 extra names for something you believe in then it was worthwhile for you & the petition's organisers....it would just be a shame if the money needed was taken out of NHS funds for the sake of a few, no matter how deserving.....

    Original Poster

    CHARLIETHIRTYTWO

    It is a good way of upping the profile of any cause that you believe in … It is a good way of upping the profile of any cause that you believe in given the traffic on this site it just seemed like you were taking certain posts to heart.Hey, if you got 1 or 100 extra names for something you believe in then it was worthwhile for you & the petition's organisers....it would just be a shame if the money needed was taken out of NHS funds for the sake of a few, no matter how deserving.....



    No i havent taken any of the posts to heart and im sorry it seemed that way, really must learn to word myself better.. at the end of the day someone sent this on to me and like you said ive put it on here to give it some traffic to get more signitures, yes.

    And Becks, thanks for your kind words and your support as usual

    lynsey78

    No i havent taken any of the posts to heart and im sorry it seemed … No i havent taken any of the posts to heart and im sorry it seemed that way, really must learn to word myself better.. at the end of the day someone sent this on to me and like you said ive put it on here to give it some traffic to get more signitures, yes. And Becks, thanks for your kind words and your support as usual




    Your welcome sweetie - will be on msn tomorrow after 7am if you need a hand with anything. Sorry not been about much this week. :friends:

    Original Poster

    Becksdawe

    Your welcome sweetie - will be on msn tomorrow after 7am if you need a … Your welcome sweetie - will be on msn tomorrow after 7am if you need a hand with anything. Sorry not been about much this week. :friends:



    Thanks ill be there.. got so much to telll you ... all good though ;-)

    My Son was Born in a Military Hospital in Germany, I have mixed feelings about it, I was made to feel like just a Name, Rank and Number and his Mum was just a 'dependant'. Don't get me wrong, everything was great but it's very Rank structured. The higher up you are the better your room etc.
    I have also worked at Military establishments and the same applies, the 'lower' ranks eat the same food as the lower rank 'staff' and the Officers eat the same food as the Officers.
    When I had a Motorbike accident, I spent time in a Civvy Hospital and I was made to feel special because I was part of HMF.
    The Services have/ did have the Joint Service Medical Rehabilitation Unit where you go to recuperate after an accident or whatever. The equipment they had was first class, everything you could think of but I've never seen that service in a civvy hospital.

    Where i live our 2 NHS hospitals are both designated Military hospitals as well and they also provide a lot of the staff whilst they are not posted overseas.

    Also work has just begun on a new giant 'Super Hospital' here so they'll be well catered for here.

    I don't think any forces personnel should be treated in NHS hospitals. NHS units cannot cope with the amount of people they have already, they kick people out to stop so called bed blocking which in a way takes all the professional care from arm reach and leaves it with out workers and forces personnel should not be mixed up with general public dues to info that could be passed from side or the other. Proper conditions are required

    A well maintained engine will serve its master no matter what abuse it is given.

    I was born in a military hospital (although I was too young at the time to remember it:giggle: ). I've also been treated several times in a military hospital, before they were closed down & I was sent instead to NHS hospitals. I have nothing but praise for the treatment that I received.

    However, the main problem is that NHS hospitals don't specialise in trauma injuries. They're great for 'normal' treatments but not for the more serious war-related injuries. These require long-term specialist care - the NHS, for all the good that it is, is now run by "targets-that-must-be-met", which doesn't suit the military.

    My biggest problem was going from being treated quickly so that I could get back to doing my job, to going on to a waiting list & being unable to do my job for long periods of time.

    That said, if ever they opened up military hospitals again they'd close just as fast as they no longer have enough medical staff for them! The medical services are now being kept afloat by the TA (i.e. civilian medical staff that give up their free time).

    Original Poster

    Would just like to say thanks for all your support people have been giving

    Signed
    Post a comment
    Avatar
    @
      Text
      Top Discussions
      1. Just heard this...2 ★★★★★★★★★★★★★★ congrats to all on 392k ★★★★★★★★★★★★★★7764216
      2. How dangerous is Donald trump?31138
      3. What do these 2 men have in common1013
      4. ❅☁☁❅ I want☼to talk☼about the☔WEATHER☔no politics☃no religion❅☁☁❅18846168

      See more discussions