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    Poor tube drivers being asked to drive trains not on their normal route

    Poor drivers will strike this week because they are being asked to drive trains on lines which they don't normally work on.

    In turn passengers will have to travel on lines which they dont normally travel on.

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    Train strikes are getting out of hand now for ridiculous reasons....

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    davewave

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38733015



    Ah so you dont like workers striking.

    I wonder if you have EVER thought about the safety aspect of changing routes?

    I bet you havent. In fact I know you havent.

    Oh thee who know so little oO Please don't post on things you do not understand . Tube Drivers ,like train drivers have to "know" the route . That is- where every signal is ,where every station is , where every speed limit is , where every crossing is - I could go on . A train driver or tube driver cannot be made to drive a route he has not qualified for , but can quite rightly refuse to drive a route that he is not certified on . Try to get your facts right please . I am not a driver but work in the Rail industry .

    Original Poster

    Lame excuse to strike because they don't like the government, not about safety but about flexibility of drivers.

    davewave

    Lame excuse to strike because they don't like the government, not about … Lame excuse to strike because they don't like the government, not about safety but about flexibility of drivers.


    Hardly a lame excuse when the safety of passengers could be at risk , but I dare say you are an expert in the field of Rail Safety ?

    Quite agree with the drivers - they might take the wrong turning and get lost!!!

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    rogparki

    Hardly a lame excuse when the safety of passengers could be at risk , but … Hardly a lame excuse when the safety of passengers could be at risk , but I dare say you are an expert in the field of Rail Safety ?


    Oh safety...the age old excuse.

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/06/07/2B21A72200000578-3186671-Milking_it_Tube_drivers_striking_across_the_city_today_are_earni-m-48_1438843723264.jpg

    davewave

    Oh safety...the age old excuse.


    So you don't understand -but are good at posting pics - say no more

    Original Poster

    oh the horror of it...

    Members at Hainault, Leytonstone and Loughton Depots are to take part in the strike against plans to move eight train operators from three depots on the Central Line to other depots.

    http://www.sopitas.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/lloro.gif

    Keep on striking your way to redundancy. Driverless cars, taxis, buses and lorries are all on the very close horizon. Tube trains would be the easiest to convert to self driving. They control the speed and when to stop..... all on a contained track. Bye Bye drivers.

    davewave

    oh the horror of it...Members at Hainault, Leytonstone and Loughton … oh the horror of it...Members at Hainault, Leytonstone and Loughton Depots are to take part in the strike against plans to move eight train operators from three depots on the Central Line to other depots.


    Sadly in your ignorance , you have posted (rather repeated a newspaper article ) one of the few legitimate complaints the rail staff have . DOO (The excuse for the Southern Rail disruption) has been certified as being safe and is widely operated over the network and is an excuse for the militant unions to go beyond their remit .

    Driving a train on a route the driver has not been certified for is unsafe and illegal . Please try to get some facts right

    davewave

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38733015



    Be honest Dave, how many times have you been turned down for a train driver job? X)

    On a serious note, I completely agree with this...

    "If [London Underground] are allowed to get away with this move on the … "If [London Underground] are allowed to get away with this move on the Central Line they will start shunting drivers around at the drop of a hat regardless of the consequences," he added.



    If workers knew the changes were a possibility from day one of signing up to the job, then fair enough. But to suddenly have big changes forced on you without negotiation is a little unfair imo. Why should workers have to make changes to their working pattern etc when the company refuses to hire enough staff or make fair decisions by consulting their staff first?

    Don't get why they (tfl, other companies...) keep doing it tbh. They know it almost always ends up with a strike, why not plan ahead, talk to their staff and deal with changes appropriately & fairly? Makes me think this is exactly what they want to so more people back them to replace "ungrateful, overpaid" staff by machines. (_;)

    rogparki

    Sadly in your ignorance , you have posted (rather repeated a newspaper … Sadly in your ignorance , you have posted (rather repeated a newspaper article ) one of the few legitimate complaints the rail staff have . DOO (The excuse for the Southern Rail disruption) has been certified as being safe and is widely operated over the network and is an excuse for the militant unions to go beyond their remit . Driving a train on a route the driver has not been certified for is unsafe and illegal . Please try to get some facts right


    If it's illegal then why do they need to strike? Surely they can just take the appropriate legal action?

    davewave

    Oh safety...the age old excuse.



    I like the fact that they tube driver attacks as rare but the numbers aren't that different.

    Maybe they can use the time off to learn the new routes.

    They work underground like miners ... very stressful...

    davewave

    Oh safety...the age old excuse.



    I don't get why people compare people's jobs either.

    Boooohhh you have it better than me! IT'S SO UNFAIR! *cries in the … Boooohhh you have it better than me! IT'S SO UNFAIR! *cries in the corner*


    Original Poster

    davewave

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38733015

    "If [London Underground] are allowed to get away with this move on the … "If [London Underground] are allowed to get away with this move on the Central Line they will start shunting drivers around at the drop of a hat regardless of the consequences," he added.


    I travel to work by train and tube, and that's honestly why its so grating, they arent doctors or lawyers - their jobs simply aren't as complex as even a nurse but they provide a vital service with a blackmailing union in tow.

    davewave

    I travel to work by train and tube, and that's honestly why its so … I travel to work by train and tube, and that's honestly why its so grating, they arent doctors or lawyers - their jobs simply aren't as complex as even a nurse but they provide a vital service with a blackmailing union in tow.


    I think you are still showing you do not understand a drivers job and the learning and route knowledge required - trust me its not like being a bus or HGV driver - I for one wouldn't do it .

    davewave

    I travel to work by train and tube, and that's honestly why its so … I travel to work by train and tube, and that's honestly why its so grating, they arent doctors or lawyers - their jobs simply aren't as complex as even a nurse but they provide a vital service with a blackmailing union in tow.



    I get that, but there's no point comparing their job to anyone else's. Tbh, I think 1 train drivers job is more important than that of a doctor or lawyer. Look what happens when a few train drivers strike, London goes into absolute meltdown and it creates chaos. If the same number of doctors or nurses strikes, there's plenty more to do their job whilst they're not there and it won't cause as much of a disruption. This is the point the employers don't seem to grasp. You said it yourself, they provide an extremely vital service and in turn the company who hires them should recognise their importance and take them a little more seriously when they say they are being treated unfairly.

    davewave

    oh the horror of it...Members at Hainault, Leytonstone and Loughton … oh the horror of it...Members at Hainault, Leytonstone and Loughton Depots are to take part in the strike against plans to move eight train operators from three depots on the Central Line to other depots.


    And of course if you had signed up to work at your Local Tesco , for instance , you would be quite happy to find you were now required to work at a Tesco 20 miles away - would you ?

    japes

    Keep on striking your way to redundancy. Driverless cars, taxis, buses … Keep on striking your way to redundancy. Driverless cars, taxis, buses and lorries are all on the very close horizon. Tube trains would be the easiest to convert to self driving. They control the speed and when to stop..... all on a contained track. Bye Bye drivers.



    ​ out of curiosity, do you drive? and how close on the horizon are you talking? sure there is prototypes of driverless cars, are they affordable? ready for the masses? public transport overhaul by machines without drivers, won't happen in our lifetime.
    in the meantime you'll have to put up with it lol

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    davewave

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38733015



    Here you go Mr Indenial

    Look at the reasons for a majority of serious incidents on the tube network.

    You will notice most of the accidents have been caused by derailment. Basically going to fast on a stretch of line.

    Now NO ONE (INCLUDING YOU) can disagree with the fact that moving drivers about onto unfamiliar lines would increase the risk of derailments.

    & guess who you would be suing if you were injured on a tube that derailed caused by an unfamiliar driver. I bet you wouldnt sue the driver.

    Stop trolling.

    Jubilee line major delays today now this

    davewave

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38733015

    "If [London Underground] are allowed to get away with this move on the … "If [London Underground] are allowed to get away with this move on the Central Line they will start shunting drivers around at the drop of a hat regardless of the consequences," he added.



    It's not often I disagree with you and today might be the first.

    They are tube drivers. I would expect them to drive tube trains wherever on the network. Yes they should and need to be given time to learn other routes. This should be standard so you have full coverage of the network.
    They are not asking them to clean the toilets and paint the train. Just to drive more than one route.

    If every delivery job (they are just delivering people from one place to another) striked everyone somebody changed the route everything would stop.
    No buses today? No driver off.
    No milk today? No drive off.
    No post today? No drive off.
    No petrol today? No driver off.

    As has been said earlier it's a job that will be gone.
    Just think one day we may have trains that run 24/7 and on time that never make mistakes. Welcome to automated tube networks!

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    rogparki

    And of course if you had signed up to work at your Local Tesco , for … And of course if you had signed up to work at your Local Tesco , for instance , you would be quite happy to find you were now required to work at a Tesco 20 miles away - would you ?



    yeah how will they get there?​

    They may get lost,there are no satnavs fitted on on the tube trains !

    Hmmm, they need to be careful what they wish for. Whilst i sympathise with the Southern Trains strikes regarding the safety aspect of closing doors - London Underground could be automated with relative ease.
    DLR is an automated system, and the underground trains could be adapted to become automated.
    I fear the management will see this as another nail in the coffin and another step towards an automated system. I wouldn't be surprised if its already on the drawing board.

    Yep, i was right:
    en.wikipedia.org/wik…und
    Edited by: "118luke" 24th Jan

    YouDontWantToKnow

    Ah so you dont like workers striking.I wonder if you have EVER thought … Ah so you dont like workers striking.I wonder if you have EVER thought about the safety aspect of changing routes?I bet you havent. In fact I know you havent.



    Passive aggressive much? Since when did you acquire the gift of mind reading? I don't disagree regarding the possibility of safety concerns. But dude, you could work on your communication skills so you don't come across as quite so arrogant perhaps? Knowing his thoughts?? X)

    rogparki

    Oh thee who know so little oO Please don't post on things you do not … Oh thee who know so little oO Please don't post on things you do not understand . Tube Drivers ,like train drivers have to "know" the route . That is- where every signal is ,where every station is , where every speed limit is , where every crossing is - I could go on . A train driver or tube driver cannot be made to drive a route he has not qualified for , but can quite rightly refuse to drive a route that he is not certified on . Try to get your facts right please . I am not a driver but work in the Rail industry .



    You're right but I think this dispute is purely about displacement, ie being made to transfer to a different depot. As you rightly said, they can't/wouldn't ever be made, or even asked, to drive a train on a route they don't 'sign'. It just wouldn't happen.

    Edited by: "deeky" 24th Jan

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    BagABargain78

    Knowing his thoughts?? X)



    lol

    I know David.

    Stick around. It will not take you long either.

    YouDontWantToKnow

    lolI know David. Stick around. It will not take you long either.



    Hmmmmm. To be fair, I have begun to notice a common theme with David's threads.

    Original Poster

    BagABargain78

    Hmmmmm. To be fair, I have begun to notice a common theme with David's … Hmmmmm. To be fair, I have begun to notice a common theme with David's threads.



    ​you seem familiar?

    118luke

    Hmmm, they need to be careful what they wish for. Whilst i sympathise … Hmmm, they need to be careful what they wish for. Whilst i sympathise with the Southern Trains strikes regarding the safety aspect of closing doors - London Underground could be automated with relative ease. DLR is an automated system, and the underground trains could be adapted to become automated.I fear the management will see this as another nail in the coffin and another step towards an automated system. I wouldn't be surprised if its already on the drawing board.Yep, i was right:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automation_of_the_London_Underground#Current_status



    If you automated the the tube you'd still need staff on the trains for safety reasons, DLR is a smaller system thats mainly overground and a clear route, the tube is a rabbit warren of lines crisscrossing both used and unused, pitch dark, overheated tunnels and is very deepon some lines.

    rogparki

    Oh thee who know so little oO Please don't post on things you do not … Oh thee who know so little oO Please don't post on things you do not understand . Tube Drivers ,like train drivers have to "know" the route . That is- where every signal is ,where every station is , where every speed limit is , where every crossing is - I could go on . A train driver or tube driver cannot be made to drive a route he has not qualified for , but can quite rightly refuse to drive a route that he is not certified on . Try to get your facts right please . I am not a driver but work in the Rail industry .



    Agree with every single word.......and just for the record......I AM a train driver. Fancy driving 500 miles in dense fog, visibility 5 metres? Did I mention you have to do it at over 100mph, drive at the correct speed limits for each area and manage to stop your train on a platform that is just about long enough? Those of you that say we should learn more routes......there's something called route retention. Means you have to be able to go over the route every so often so that you don't forget it.......and yes, remembering the route does come in handy when driving in the aforementioned fog. I won't even bother replying to the poster who tried to compare us to bus drivers.

    The actual dispute that has been referred to has nothing to do with routes. The dispute is that the companies are moving drivers from one short staffed depot to another short staffed depot instead of recruiting more drivers to fill vacancies. Robbing Peter to pay Paul. All that happens is that staff will get uprooted from their normal workplace to work somewhere else, leaving the original depot even more short staffed leading to more cancellations.
    Edited by: "t_kaay" 25th Jan

    There are already driver less trains. In fact the Victoria, Jubilee and central lines are not controlled by a driver. They do have one on board who opens the doors. They need to develop this more so they can get rid of the whinging drivers.

    666FU

    There are already driver less trains. In fact the Victoria, Jubilee and … There are already driver less trains. In fact the Victoria, Jubilee and central lines are not controlled by a driver. They do have one on board who opens the doors.



    This is a joke right?

    Or have i just fallen for the bait and replied to your trolling

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    MajesticUnicorn

    This is a joke right? Or have i just fallen for the bait and replied to … This is a joke right? Or have i just fallen for the bait and replied to your trolling



    Trolling

    No driverless trains exist bar some on the Docklands Light

    Project Envy, average wage in London is £35000 , plenty of self employed jobbers earn this money easily. What's that you need to earn at least to get a cheap flat in the suburbs again !? Just because many earn less, but 40% of Londoners earn more and they there are not 3 million bankers in London, project Envy wants to drive everyone's wages to the bottom.
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