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    Pope apologises to the Irish victims of Child abuse

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    So that's the end of it. He said sorry. What a guy!

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    I new it was him all along

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    Yep. Say sorry. It all goes away. Makes it all better.

    All religion seems to end with sex with children somewhere along the line,

    tonyg1962;8156857

    All religion seems to end with sex with children somewhere along the line,



    well said. Terrible things happened. Sorry obviously will never cut it. Besides paying millions to victims, saying sorry, and changing the whole structure of the church, there isn't much more they can do. It's not the first major sex scandal to be covered up by any particular church and it won't be the last.

    dimebars;8156803

    Yep. Say sorry. It all goes away. Makes it all better.



    Of course it doesn't. But what exactly do you expect him to do?

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    moob;8157083

    Of course it doesn't. But what exactly do you expect him to do?



    Disband the church?

    Resign over his role in covering up instances of child abuse?

    FilthAndFurry;8157173

    Disband the church?Resign over his role in covering up instances of child … Disband the church?Resign over his role in covering up instances of child abuse?



    I was (stupidly) hoping for realistic answers.:roll:

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    moob;8157178

    I was (stupidly) hoping for realistic answers.:roll:



    How about take all the money in the Catholic coffers and distribute it evenly to every victim who was raped by one or more Catholic priests?

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    moob;8157178

    I was (stupidly) hoping for realistic answers.:roll:


    why has anyone got to give you an answer:?

    why dont you ask your priest about it?

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    FilthAndFurry;8157222

    How about take all the money in the Catholic coffers and distribute it … How about take all the money in the Catholic coffers and distribute it evenly to every victim who was raped by one or more Catholic priests?


    not often i agree with you f&f..................................but hey there is a first time for everything i suppose!

    FilthAndFurry;8157222

    How about take all the money in the Catholic coffers and distribute it … How about take all the money in the Catholic coffers and distribute it evenly to every victim who was raped by one or more Catholic priests?



    Sounds fair enough to me.:thumbsup:

    RFC;8157224

    why has anyone got to give you an answer:?why dont you ask your priest … why has anyone got to give you an answer:?why dont you ask your priest about it?



    I don't have a priest...:roll:

    FilthAndFurry;8157222

    How about take all the money in the Catholic coffers and distribute it … How about take all the money in the Catholic coffers and distribute it evenly to every victim who was raped by one or more Catholic priests?



    Don't think there would ever been enough money - not only to go around each of them but that would even help the victims anyway.

    Not going into it here but close relative directly affected by this. I am so pleased this is all coming out. A conversation with a bishop this week, he said we should feel pity for those priests because they were sick people after all AND it's all a witchunt by the media.

    The ripples are getting wider but nothing short of a tsunami will redeem the catholic church of it's sexual abuse scandals. The pebble was thrown in Ireland, a country where overwhelming deference to religion silenced the voices that needed to be heard. Spreading to the US, the voices were heard in the courts and the church were forced to pay victims. This week, Germany is also forced to acknowledge that catholic priests abused children.

    The waves are building up towards the Vatican. 4 March it emerges that in the Vatican, an alleged gay sex scandal is took place with choiristers being rented out to ushers. The Pope has been accused of allowing paedophile priests to commit further abuse when he was a bishop in Munich (14 March). By the day, more and more countries and voices are emerging with their accounts of sexual abuse by the catholic church.

    In Ireland the Ryan report (May 2009), finally made the population realise the damage the catholic church inflicted in their country. Cardinal Brady chose St Patrick's day to apologise over his role in sexual abuse cover up. The Pope today believes all that is required is "repentance, healing and renewal"

    It is becoming clear is that sexual abuse perpetrated by catholic priests was endemic. An acknowledgement of this by the Pope might have gone some way to move forward.

    In the US, the catholic church were forced by the courts to pay compensation to victims. In Ireland the catholic church refuses to pay.

    Even better, the UK is allowing state funding for the Pope's visit next year. Secularism never looked better.

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    Is it a case of men with sexual desires towards children see the priesthood as an ideal career choice or is the priesthood that changes the man?

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    master_chief;8157339

    Is it a case of men with sexual desires towards children see the … Is it a case of men with sexual desires towards children see the priesthood as an ideal career choice or is the priesthood that changes the man?



    Interesting question.

    I think it's the latter. You get hard core criminals who 'become gay'* in prisons so maybe it's similar?

    * (Although I think being gay is genetic rather than choice)

    i don't think becoming a priest suddenly turns you into a child molester. I think thats why they joined the priesthood in the first place. Because they were sick and they could get away with it there.

    The way this has all been handled by the Catholic Church is nothing short of disgraceful, one cover up after another over many years.

    Have just read the full Bolletinno Pope's letter.
    Talks a lot about changes in Irelands society and that people have moved away from the church....what a surprise. I think he is hinting that it is all their fault!

    One of the problems over the years is that the catholic church ignored all organisations who set up and adhered to child policies. They wanted to deal with things themselves using canon (catholic) law.

    When some scandals broke yrs ago, they spent millions creating the Nolan report. Social services had already done it, the catholic church refused to recognise social services rules and regulations.

    Most alarming in this letter, he states many times that canon law will be used, no mention of courts, criminality.

    People get excited about Sharia Law in the UK, Canon law has been around and used here for a lot longer and cause a great deal more damage.

    Canon Law....chilling definition

    [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]"But when controversial Monsignor Maurice Dooley declared in 2002 that bishops did not have to tell the police about paedophile clerics, nobody in the Catholic Church said anything. [/COLOR][/LEFT]


    [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Speaking then about paedophile priests, the canon law expert said it was not up to the church to give files on child abuse to the gardai. (police)[/COLOR][/LEFT]


    [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]He said bishops were entitled to ignore criminal law and to conceal a paedophile cleric's actions from the authorities -- even if it meant going to prison. [/COLOR][/LEFT]


    [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Mgr Dooley said bishops were not required to report past cases of sexual abuse and might even shelter the priest. "As far as the church is concerned, its laws comes first," he said. [/COLOR][/LEFT]

    [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Mgr Dooley's views were clearly no different in 2002 when he said: "A bishop swears allegiance to canon law. If there was a real conflict, he would simply have to maintain canon law, even if there was a chance of going to jail." [/COLOR][/LEFT]

    [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]A bishop's relationship with a priest was similar to that of a parent and child, Fr Dooley said. "As a parent, you are entitled to protect your child or even to conceal him from punishment. [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]"He is a kind of father figure towards his priest"[/COLOR][/LEFT]


    [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Read more: belfasttelegraph.co.uk/new…tml[/COLOR][/LEFT]

    Reminds me of the time Father O'Flaherty was on holidays and Father Reilly had to cover for him in the confessional. Father O'Flaherty had left him a list of pennances for each sin. First girl came in and confessed to having an affair, Reilly looked down the list and gave her 5 "Our Fathers"
    Next girl came in and said she had gave her boyfriend a BJ. He looked down the list and it wasn't there. So he leaned out and asked one of the choirboys "How much does Father O'flaherty give for a BJ" - Usually about £1.50 came the reply.

    mcnally32;8156894

    well said. Terrible things happened. Sorry obviously will never cut it. … well said. Terrible things happened. Sorry obviously will never cut it. Besides paying millions to victims, saying sorry, and changing the whole structure of the church, there isn't much more they can do. It's not the first major sex scandal to be covered up by any particular church and it won't be the last.



    Sounds a bit like "Its not just us sh***ing the children you know"
    So thats not so bad then!

    Why is there all the fuss about Sharia Law coming to UK. Canon Law has been used for centuries in Great Britain. Govt needs to get in banned NOW

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    iglimpse;8162318

    Why is there all the fuss about Sharia Law coming to UK. [SIZE=5]Canon … Why is there all the fuss about Sharia Law coming to UK. [SIZE=5]Canon Law[/SIZE] has been used for centuries in Great Britain. Govt needs to get in banned NOW


    maybe we should fire him out of a cannon..................................................kidding..............................................................honest;-)
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