Really need help on choosing the right computer for my daughter who has high functioning Autism. (Links in description)

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Posted 3rd OctEdited by:"Pukka.deal"
Hi, i know nothing about computers and really need help.
My daughter needs a new computer for homework and to make animation.
She is a very talented 17 year old who has been waiting patiently for this computer for 4 months which is very hard to do when you have Autism.
She has been awarded a grant towards the cost so we can only get the computer from the stone group.
I would really appreciate any help and advice anyone can give me.
Thank you x
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Am i the only one feeling angered by this thread? Someone has had to wait 4 months for a computer and what is offered isn't really fit for purpose and the ones that are fit for purpose have upgrade prices that are a total rip off.
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What software will she be using exactly and how much is the grant.

All the PC's listed lack a decent enough graphics card so if she ever got into gaming you'd need to add one so need to pick the PC which is the easiest to upgrade which is the one below as it supports a full length GPU whilst the others would be a pain to upgrade.:
stonegroup.co.uk/sto…ro/
Edited by: "emodan" 3rd Oct
emodan03/10/2019 09:32

What software will she be using exactly and how much is the grant.All the …What software will she be using exactly and how much is the grant.All the PC's listed lack a decent enough graphics card so if she ever got into gaming you'd need to add one so need to pick the PC which is the easiest to upgrade which is the one below as it supports a full length GPU whilst the others would be a pain to upgrade.:https://www.stonegroup.co.uk/stone-products/desktops/gaming-stonepc-pro/



Not sure what software she is using ? i will ask her when she gets home.
They don't tell you how much the grant is for, they just tell you how much more you would have to pay for each computer.
There is just one computer that i wouldn't have to put any money too.
That is this one stonegroup.co.uk/sto…te/
I don't have much money but i am willing to pay for a better computer for her if i have too.
Will the gaming one do all that she needs ? at the moment she only plays games on her Xbox.
Edited by: "Pukka.deal" 3rd Oct
The gaming PC is far from being an actual gaming PC.
It will run games but worse than say an Xbox or PS4 as it has no graphics card. It can be upgraded to add a graphics card however so something you can add to in the future if needed.

For office work and basic animation however the i5 or i7 would be more than enough but even the i3 wouldn't be too bad.
Sadly the link doesn't seem to work as HUKD has killed it so may need to try submitting it again.
emodan03/10/2019 10:07

The gaming PC is far from being an actual gaming PC.It will run games but …The gaming PC is far from being an actual gaming PC.It will run games but worse than say an Xbox or PS4 as it has no graphics card. It can be upgraded to add a graphics card however so something you can add to in the future if needed.For office work and basic animation however the i5 or i7 would be more than enough but even the i3 wouldn't be too bad.Sadly the link doesn't seem to work as HUKD has killed it so may need to try submitting it again.



The only one i don't need to put any money too stonegroup.co.uk/sto…te/
Pukka.deal03/10/2019 09:45

Not sure what software she is using ? i will ask her when she gets …Not sure what software she is using ? i will ask her when she gets home.They don't tell you how much the grant is for, they just tell you how much more you would have to pay for each computer.There is just one computer that i wouldn't have to put any money too.That is this one stonegroup.co.uk/sto…te/I don't have much money but i am willing to pay for a better computer for her if i have too. Will the gaming one do all that she needs ? at the moment she only plays games on her Xbox.


I would say only go for the Pro or Gamer Pro due to ease of upgradability in the future.

it's hard to recommend more without knowing the cost difference.
Pukka.deal03/10/2019 10:10

The only one i don't need to put any money too …The only one i don't need to put any money too https://www.stonegroup.co.uk/stone-products/amd/stonepc-lite/


Sadly the case chosen would make upgrading it a pain as it would only fit SFF graphics cards which tend to be more expensive and cheaper.

CPU wise it would likely come with a Ryzen 3 3200G which has better graphics than the gaming PC but a slightly less powerful CPU.

If you don't plan to upgrade it then it's actually a better balance of graphics and CPU than the others.
Gormond03/10/2019 10:11

I would say only go for the Pro or Gamer Pro due to ease of upgradability …I would say only go for the Pro or Gamer Pro due to ease of upgradability in the future.it's hard to recommend more without knowing the cost difference.


I am waiting for them to let me know the price of the Pro one
The Gaming one would Cost £372.32
Is it worth the extra money or should i just get stonegroup.co.uk/sto…te/
emodan03/10/2019 10:14

Sadly the case chosen would make upgrading it a pain as it would only fit …Sadly the case chosen would make upgrading it a pain as it would only fit SFF graphics cards which tend to be more expensive and cheaper.CPU wise it would likely come with a Ryzen 3 3200G which has better graphics than the gaming PC but a slightly less powerful CPU.If you don't plan to upgrade it then it's actually a better balance of graphics and CPU than the others.


The Gaming one would cost me £372.32 is it worth paying the extra ?
Pukka.deal03/10/2019 10:20

The Gaming one would cost me £372.32 is it worth paying the extra ?


I would say no.
The links you've given are general model overviews and are often very unspecific which components it comes from. Many of them only say it comes with a CPU from somewhere within Intel's entire mainstream desktop range, and don't say how much memory or storage it has at all.

They don't even tell you how big the computer is, and you don't want to be lumbered with a big old fashioned tower case unless you need the space to add power hungry components.

You do need to establish whether your daughter wants a specific form factor (e.g. Laptop, desktop, Mini PC) and what exactly you're buying.
Pukka.deal03/10/2019 10:20

The Gaming one would cost me £372.32 is it worth paying the extra ?




Hell no. Could build a better PC for less
EndlessWaves03/10/2019 10:34

The links you've given are general model overviews and are often very …The links you've given are general model overviews and are often very unspecific which components it comes from. Many of them only say it comes with a CPU from somewhere within Intel's entire mainstream desktop range, and don't say how much memory or storage it has at all.They don't even tell you how big the computer is, and you don't want to be lumbered with a big old fashioned tower case unless you need the space to add power hungry components. You do need to establish whether your daughter wants a specific form factor (e.g. Laptop, desktop, Mini PC) and what exactly you're buying.


Yes you are right.it looks like the specifications on the links are not what they are offering me.
This is why i need help, i know nothing.
I will try and work it out and get back to you.
All my daughter has said is that she don't want a laptop and that she wants a proper computer.
Pukka.deal03/10/2019 10:44

Yes you are right.it looks like the specifications on the links are not …Yes you are right.it looks like the specifications on the links are not what they are offering me.This is why i need help, i know nothing. I will try and work it out and get back to you.All my daughter has said is that she don't want a laptop and that she wants a proper computer.


She's made the best choice. The laptop will be weaker and no way to improve it so a desktop is the way to go.
Mr_Gus03/10/2019 10:39

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Teachers don't tend to know anything about PC's. I work with a bunch of professionals who create videos and do other graphics work who had no idea installing the software on a USB HDD was one of the reasons it was slow to get their work done so expecting a teacher to know about PC hardware is a bit of a reach.

Plus the OP has already stated what they want the PC for and the listings tell you what size cases are used. The OP has made no indication of a space limitation so you can assume they don't have any space concerns.

Telling the OP to contact software developers is always just pure nonsense. I think your confusing high functioning Autism which I myself have(Aspergers) and a more severe diagnosis so they don't need specialist software just Windows and the ability to run their chosen animation software which will likely need a decent enough CPU and good enough graphics like any other person wanting to do those 2 things.
Edited by: "emodan" 3rd Oct
These links just go to systems that don't link the spec.

If someone posted the "gaming" one as a deal it would be laughable as it uses integrated graphics.

The upgrade price looks like a con but without knowing the exact specs it's just me jumping to conclusions.

I know what i'd do, i'd take the free one and sell it and buy one from somewhere else where i'd know exactly what i'm getting.
EndlessWaves03/10/2019 10:34

The links you've given are general model overviews and are often very …The links you've given are general model overviews and are often very unspecific which components it comes from. Many of them only say it comes with a CPU from somewhere within Intel's entire mainstream desktop range, and don't say how much memory or storage it has at all.They don't even tell you how big the computer is, and you don't want to be lumbered with a big old fashioned tower case unless you need the space to add power hungry components. You do need to establish whether your daughter wants a specific form factor (e.g. Laptop, desktop, Mini PC) and what exactly you're buying.


Stone Gaming PC – Intel i3
  • Intel i3 Quad Core Processor
  • Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Graphics Card
  • 8GB RAM
  • 500GB SSD
  • DVD Drive
  • WiFi
  • 24″ Full HD Monitor
  • Microsoft Keyboard, and Mouse
  • Suitable for the following games: Steam (Software), World of Warcraft, Warframe, Minecraft, Fortnite, League of Legends, Team Fortress 2, War Thunder
  • Your Upgrade Cost: £372.32

Stone Gaming PC – Intel i5
  • Intel i5 Quad Core Processor
  • Nvidia GTX 1660 Ti 6GB Graphics Card
  • 16GB RAM
  • 500GB SSD
  • DVD Drive
  • WiFi
  • 24″ Full HD Monitor
  • Microsoft Keyboard, and Mouse
  • Suitable for the following games: Steam (Software), World of Warcraft, Warframe, Minecraft, Fortnite, League of Legends, Team Fortress 2, War Thunder, Overwatch,FIFA, Skyrim
Your Upgrade Cost: £647.01

Stone Desktop PC and 19.5″ Monitor
DVD Drive
Yes
Hard Drive
1TB
Keyboard and Mouse
Microsoft Desktop Keyboard and Mouse
Memory (RAM)
4GB
Processor
Intel i3 Quad Core Processor
Wi-Fi
Yes
Webcam
No
Windows
Windows 10 Home
No cost
The upgrade costs are a con.
To be honest, it sounds like you’ll get fleeced. You can’t make an informed decision without knowing pricing and spec differences.
Who ever has awarded you the grant is being very reckless. It could be for £1,000 and Stone take the proverbial.

I’d push back and ask if you can source from another retailer? Even if it means they award you less but you get choice.

My main advice is don’t get an All In One, no upgrade path and tend to be lesser specs.
emodan03/10/2019 10:38

Hell no. Could build a better PC for less


Stone Gaming PC – Intel i3
  • Intel i3 Quad Core Processor
  • Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Graphics Card
  • 8GB RAM
  • 500GB SSD
  • DVD Drive
  • WiFi
  • 24″ Full HD Monitor
  • Microsoft Keyboard, and Mouse
  • Suitable for the following games: Steam (Software), World of Warcraft, Warframe, Minecraft, Fortnite, League of Legends, Team Fortress 2, War Thunder
  • Your Upgrade Cost: £372.32

Stone Gaming PC – Intel i5
  • Intel i5 Quad Core Processor
  • Nvidia GTX 1660 Ti 6GB Graphics Card
  • 16GB RAM
  • 500GB SSD
  • DVD Drive
  • WiFi
  • 24″ Full HD Monitor
  • Microsoft Keyboard, and Mouse
  • Suitable for the following games: Steam (Software), World of Warcraft, Warframe, Minecraft, Fortnite, League of Legends, Team Fortress 2, War Thunder, Overwatch,FIFA, Skyrim
Your Upgrade Cost: £647.01

Stone Desktop PC and 19.5″ Monitor
DVD Drive
Yes
Hard Drive
1TB
Keyboard and Mouse
Microsoft Desktop Keyboard and Mouse
Memory (RAM)
4GB
Processor
Intel i3 Quad Core Processor
Wi-Fi
Yes
Webcam
No
Windows
Windows 10 Home
No cost
Pukka.deal03/10/2019 10:57

Stone Gaming PC – Intel i3Intel i3 Quad Core ProcessorNvidia GTX 1050 Ti 4 …Stone Gaming PC – Intel i3Intel i3 Quad Core ProcessorNvidia GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Graphics Card8GB RAM500GB SSDDVD DriveWiFi24″ Full HD MonitorMicrosoft Keyboard, and MouseSuitable for the following games: Steam (Software), World of Warcraft, Warframe, Minecraft, Fortnite, League of Legends, Team Fortress 2, War ThunderYour Upgrade Cost: £372.32Stone Gaming PC – Intel i5Intel i5 Quad Core ProcessorNvidia GTX 1660 Ti 6GB Graphics Card16GB RAM500GB SSDDVD DriveWiFi24″ Full HD MonitorMicrosoft Keyboard, and MouseSuitable for the following games: Steam (Software), World of Warcraft, Warframe, Minecraft, Fortnite, League of Legends, Team Fortress 2, War Thunder, Overwatch,FIFA, SkyrimYour Upgrade Cost: £647.01Stone Desktop PC and 19.5″ MonitorDVD Drive YesHard Drive 1TBKeyboard and Mouse Microsoft Desktop Keyboard and MouseMemory (RAM) 4GBProcessor Intel i3 Quad Core ProcessorWi-Fi YesWebcam NoWindows Windows 10 HomeNo cost




The upgrade costs are way over the top. The i3 Stone Desktop PC and 19.5″ Monitor will do what you want it to do for now and you can upgrade it to 16GB RAM yourself for £50. A bigger monitor would be nice but you can find a bigger one second hand for as little as £20 based on my local Facebook Market place ads.

I would get the freebie and see if you know anyone who can add the RAM or any other upgrades for you in the future if money becomes available as the upgrades are insanely priced. The GTX 1050Ti is worth tops £120 and 4GB Ram is £20 so unless the monitor is spectacular it's super inflated and making me kind of angry as they are trying to rip people off who have no idea about PC's for their children.
Edited by: "emodan" 3rd Oct
Oneday7703/10/2019 11:01

To be honest, it sounds like you’ll get fleeced. You can’t make an inf …To be honest, it sounds like you’ll get fleeced. You can’t make an informed decision without knowing pricing and spec differences. Who ever has awarded you the grant is being very reckless. It could be for £1,000 and Stone take the proverbial. I’d push back and ask if you can source from another retailer? Even if it means they award you less but you get choice. My main advice is don’t get an All In One, no upgrade path and tend to be lesser specs.


It is from the Family Fund and you are right as a lot of people are saying the same. It would be much better if they just said how much you can have and let you go to PC world or somewhere else.
m1keyp1key03/10/2019 10:56

These links just go to systems that don't link the spec. If someone posted …These links just go to systems that don't link the spec. If someone posted the "gaming" one as a deal it would be laughable as it uses integrated graphics. The upgrade price looks like a con but without knowing the exact specs it's just me jumping to conclusions. I know what i'd do, i'd take the free one and sell it and buy one from somewhere else where i'd know exactly what i'm getting.


Stone Gaming PC – Intel i3
  • Intel i3 Quad Core Processor
  • Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Graphics Card
  • 8GB RAM
  • 500GB SSD
  • DVD Drive
  • WiFi
  • 24″ Full HD Monitor
  • Microsoft Keyboard, and Mouse
  • Suitable for the following games: Steam (Software), World of Warcraft, Warframe, Minecraft, Fortnite, League of Legends, Team Fortress 2, War Thunder
  • Your Upgrade Cost: £372.32

Stone Gaming PC – Intel i5
  • Intel i5 Quad Core Processor
  • Nvidia GTX 1660 Ti 6GB Graphics Card
  • 16GB RAM
  • 500GB SSD
  • DVD Drive
  • WiFi
  • 24″ Full HD Monitor
  • Microsoft Keyboard, and Mouse
  • Suitable for the following games: Steam (Software), World of Warcraft, Warframe, Minecraft, Fortnite, League of Legends, Team Fortress 2, War Thunder, Overwatch,FIFA, Skyrim
Your Upgrade Cost: £647.01

Stone Desktop PC and 19.5″ Monitor
DVD Drive
Yes
Hard Drive
1TB
Keyboard and Mouse
Microsoft Desktop Keyboard and Mouse
Memory (RAM)
4GB
Processor
Intel i3 Quad Core Processor
Wi-Fi
Yes
Webcam
No
Windows
Windows 10 Home
No cost
emodan03/10/2019 11:03

The upgrade costs are way over the top. The i3 Stone Desktop PC and 19.5″ M …The upgrade costs are way over the top. The i3 Stone Desktop PC and 19.5″ Monitor will do what you want it to do for now and you can upgrade it to 16GB RAM yourself for £50. A bigger monitor would be nice but you can find a bigger one second hand for as little as £20 based on my local Facebook Market place ads.I would get the freebie and see if you know anyone who can add the RAM or any other upgrades for you in the future if money becomes available as the upgrades are insanely priced. The GTX 1050Ti is worth tops £120 and 4GB Ram is £20 so unless the monitor is spectacular it's super inflated and making me kind of angry as they are trying to rip people off who have no idea about PC's for their children.


Thank you i appreciate your help.
Am i the only one feeling angered by this thread? Someone has had to wait 4 months for a computer and what is offered isn't really fit for purpose and the ones that are fit for purpose have upgrade prices that are a total rip off.
Pukka.deal03/10/2019 10:46

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They must be very "cold" if they couldn't offer you ANY help. Really? Especially in your situation, that's not good at all. I would love to help but as others have said - without knowing EXACTLY what your daughter needs; spec-wise; it's a minefield. I will say however that this "Stone Group" and 'grants' etc. sounds more to me like an "affiliation" scheme - designed to keep money within a particular pool and companies pocket. This I do not like. I would have suggested buying a used; albeit older; gaming PC for around (or not much more than) your offered prices which would most likely be of better spec than those detailed above.

Of course, it only helps when you know what you are doing when it comes to PC's - which I know is the point of your question. It's not easy, is it? If she games on console, stick with that. The PC will be better suited as a workhorse if she wants to get into production - i.e. good size memory, plenty storage, fast processor and reasonable graphics card but it doesn't have to be a top-end gaming rig. That would be my take on your dilemma but of course others will have different ideas. The thing with PC's is - to a point - they are VERY customizable. You can start with a modest setup and if it requires, add to it later. Don't get bogged down with it needing to be the fastest thing money can buy straight away.

My only other suggestion would be; with no obligation to buy; going to a proper computer store and speak to a CS rep to get help on the subject. Don't let them talk you into something but get some ideas of specs/prices etc. This way, you will have a better understanding and can make an informed choice - rather than plum for any old thing and be disappointed. Don't rule out "used" straight away. There are online sources that specialize in secondhand PC's (with warranty) and you can get a good spec for a reasonable sized purse of gold!

I wish you and your daughter all the best.

Phsy.
m1keyp1key03/10/2019 11:10

Am i the only one feeling angered by this thread? Someone has had to wait …Am i the only one feeling angered by this thread? Someone has had to wait 4 months for a computer and what is offered isn't really fit for purpose and the ones that are fit for purpose have upgrade prices that are a total rip off.


This is why i needed advice and i appreciate it all. 4 months seemed like a life time to my daughter.
Pukka.deal03/10/2019 11:12

This is why i needed advice and i appreciate it all. 4 months seemed like …This is why i needed advice and i appreciate it all. 4 months seemed like a life time to my daughter.



All i can say if you're willing to pay the extra £370 for the gaming one........don't spend that money with this company.

Get her the free one as all the others are rips offs.....and get her another one elsewhere with that £370. At least then you'll only need a base unit as you'll have a monitor and keyboard/mouse.
m1keyp1key03/10/2019 11:10

Am i the only one feeling angered by this thread? Someone has had to wait …Am i the only one feeling angered by this thread? Someone has had to wait 4 months for a computer and what is offered isn't really fit for purpose and the ones that are fit for purpose have upgrade prices that are a total rip off.


Agree with this, when I studied I had a similar system of grant for the work I needed and the options available fit what I needed top study without having to fork out insane upgrade costs
Phsycronix03/10/2019 11:11

They must be very "cold" if they couldn't offer you ANY help. Really? …They must be very "cold" if they couldn't offer you ANY help. Really? Especially in your situation, that's not good at all. I would love to help but as others have said - without knowing EXACTLY what your daughter needs; spec-wise; it's a minefield. I will say however that this "Stone Group" and 'grants' etc. sounds more to me like an "affiliation" scheme - designed to keep money within a particular pool and companies pocket. This I do not like. I would have suggested buying a used; albeit older; gaming PC for around (or not much more than) your offered prices which would most likely be of better spec than those detailed above.Of course, it only helps when you know what you are doing when it comes to PC's - which I know is the point of your question. It's not easy, is it? If she games on console, stick with that. The PC will be better suited as a workhorse if she wants to get into production - i.e. good size memory, plenty storage, fast processor and reasonable graphics card but it doesn't have to be a top-end gaming rig. That would be my take on your dilemma but of course others will have different ideas. The thing with PC's is - to a point - they are VERY customizable. You can start with a modest setup and if it requires, add to it later. Don't get bogged down with it needing to be the fastest thing money can buy straight away.My only other suggestion would be; with no obligation to buy; going to a proper computer store and speak to a CS rep to get help on the subject. Don't let them talk you into something but get some ideas of specs/prices etc. This way, you will have a better understanding and can make an informed choice - rather than plum for any old thing and be disappointed. Don't rule out "used" straight away. There are online sources that specialize in secondhand PC's (with warranty) and you can get a good spec for a reasonable sized purse of gold!I wish you and your daughter all the best.Phsy.


Thank you for your help.
m1keyp1key03/10/2019 11:10

Am i the only one feeling angered by this thread? Someone has had to wait …Am i the only one feeling angered by this thread? Someone has had to wait 4 months for a computer and what is offered isn't really fit for purpose and the ones that are fit for purpose have upgrade prices that are a total rip off.



Sadly, that's how affiliate schemes work. I really don't like the practice at all as it's these same companies that prey on organisations, offering them their 'help' for potentially 'vulnerable' groups. I know I make it out to sound sinister but it smacks of "We'll help you out by providing our valuable knowledge and assistance - but that comes at a price."
emodan03/10/2019 10:55

Teachers don't tend to know anything about PC's. I work with a bunch of …Teachers don't tend to know anything about PC's. I work with a bunch of professionals who create videos and do other graphics work who had no idea installing the software on a USB HDD was one of the reasons it was slow to get their work done so expecting a teacher to know about PC hardware is a bit of a reach.Plus the OP has already stated what they want the PC for and the listings tell you what size cases are used. The OP has made no indication of a space limitation so you can assume they don't have any space concerns.Telling the OP to contact software developers is always just pure nonsense. I think your confusing high functioning Autism which I myself have(Aspergers) and a more severe diagnosis so they don't need specialist software just Windows and the ability to run their chosen animation software which will likely need a decent enough CPU and good enough graphics like any other person wanting to do those 2 things.


The OP inferred "a very talented" daughter, pretty much any pc can handle normal homework these days, but as there is no mention of what she uses for animation / degree of ability, & puts across that the kid is very clever, (without further info) it's likely fair to say it stretches beyond claymation & stop frame that lego put out on an app for phones many years ago that I utilised for kids in cubs for badgework).

If not then the opening gambit is misleading by its confusion.

If the kid is gifted & talented, then yo'ud obviously want to know what software they were venturing into in which case what has been bought & set up / downloaded by the I.T. department of the school (basic record keeping) so it can be morrored for continued use at home as well as school.

It may be that its a decent (but demanding 3d modelling program, with a free license, or it may not).

OP, are you aware of autismresearchcentre.com/arc…ple for leads IF your child is as talented as you say, (we utilise University of Cambridge for various things, feelers & links as if you approach them nicely they tend to have fingers in pies that are on the button in so many fields such is their profession. & have had access to specialists in a number of fields by making contact with professors & academic departments)...shot in the dark!
I'm going to go out on a limb here (and hopefully others can shoot me down with some examples) but is that £372.32 rig 'that' bad a price? You are getting SSD and 8GB memory as well as a semi-decent graphics and monitor? I'm sure you could pop another 8GB memory into it for not a lot extra. I know it sounds more like what you would expect to pay for it anyway, rather than a 'reduced' special "Stone Group" price but hey, that's what they do. I don't think you could do much better for that money, could you? New, I mean.
Experience with them, & adults, I also have numerous brain injuries accumulated that I've had to work through for nearly 40 years as well as working with downs syndrome.


You are needlessly defensive!
Mr_Gus03/10/2019 11:35

Experience with them, & adults, I also have numerous brain injuries …Experience with them, & adults, I also have numerous brain injuries accumulated that I've had to work through for nearly 40 years as well as working with downs syndrome.You are needlessly defensive!



Mr_Gus03/10/2019 11:35

Experience with them, & adults, I also have numerous brain injuries …Experience with them, & adults, I also have numerous brain injuries accumulated that I've had to work through for nearly 40 years as well as working with downs syndrome.You are needlessly defensive!


Just asking as you know a lot about Autism,
m1keyp1key03/10/2019 11:10

Am i the only one feeling angered by this thread? Someone has had to wait …Am i the only one feeling angered by this thread? Someone has had to wait 4 months for a computer and what is offered isn't really fit for purpose and the ones that are fit for purpose have upgrade prices that are a total rip off.


Agree. Butlins do the same thing too.
Phsycronix03/10/2019 11:32

I'm going to go out on a limb here (and hopefully others can shoot me down …I'm going to go out on a limb here (and hopefully others can shoot me down with some examples) but is that £372.32 rig 'that' bad a price? You are getting SSD and 8GB memory as well as a semi-decent graphics and monitor? I'm sure you could pop another 8GB memory into it for not a lot extra. I know it sounds more like what you would expect to pay for it anyway, rather than a 'reduced' special "Stone Group" price but hey, that's what they do. I don't think you could do much better for that money, could you? New, I mean.


Yes it’s terrible. If it was £372 alone then it’s not bad at all. The problem is it’s the base PC plus £372 extra. There are not £372 of upgrades in it. GTX1050TI £120, 4GB RAM £20, i5 an extra £80 at a stretch. Monitor upgrade maybe an extra £50. That’s £270 of extras for £372.

What makes it worse, we have no idea what the grant actually covers. Is the Base PC covered by the grant only £250? If so then it’s not terrible. Are Stone selling it for £600 then it’s theft.

Though we also don’t know if there is more included in the grant package. Will it cover software, not just OS. What about additional learning or support products like ergonomic mice, microphone, etc.

It all sounds like a con but could be very generous.
Well, I know it'll sound like I'm back-tracking but using CCL's "build a system" - you can't get near that £372 price for similar spec. Curry's would be over £600 (of course!) so I'm having a rethink...

Morgan have nothing 'used' to use as a good comparison but of course it can be done cheaper from them (separate tower/monitor etc.) - it's just more hassle which I'm guessing the OP doesn't want.
Oneday7703/10/2019 12:08

Yes it’s terrible. If it was £372 alone then it’s not bad at all. The prob …Yes it’s terrible. If it was £372 alone then it’s not bad at all. The problem is it’s the base PC plus £372 extra. There are not £372 of upgrades in it. GTX1050TI £120, 4GB RAM £20, i5 an extra £80 at a stretch. Monitor upgrade maybe an extra £50. That’s £270 of extras for £372. What makes it worse, we have no idea what the grant actually covers. Is the Base PC covered by the grant only £250? If so then it’s not terrible. Are Stone selling it for £600 then it’s theft. Though we also don’t know if there is more included in the grant package. Will it cover software, not just OS. What about additional learning or support products like ergonomic mice, microphone, etc. It all sounds like a con but could be very generous.



I think you (or me) are getting hold of the wrong end of the stick. The OP would only have to pay £372. Not £372 on top of something else. That's why; in essence; I agree that their "upgrade" isn't worth the money but could you buy a similar spec 'ready to go' PC off the shelf anywhere for £372?

Tell me where I'm going wrong as that's how I'm seeing it at the moment...
Phsycronix03/10/2019 12:14

I think you (or me) are getting hold of the wrong end of the stick. The OP …I think you (or me) are getting hold of the wrong end of the stick. The OP would only have to pay £372. Not £372 on top of something else. That's why; in essence; I agree that their "upgrade" isn't worth the money but could you buy a similar spec 'ready to go' PC off the shelf anywhere for £372?Tell me where I'm going wrong as that's how I'm seeing it at the moment...


The grant will pay a certain amount and provide a base PC. If the OP pays an extra £372 they can get a better setup.
So I think we are thinking the same thing, maybe.
The differences over the base are poor value. Also the base machine could be a Lite chassis with no upgrade path.

OP ask Stone for proper specs. What the exact CPU is a great start. I’m hedging my bets on 7th gen, my spider sense is tingling.
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