Ripped off?

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Found 26th May 2009
I bought a phone thru fleabay for a friend as they didint have a debit/credit card.
Looked like a reputable seller, has 25000+ feedback and phone was £55.00 buy it now n 4.99 postage.
Paid via paypal and friend received phone and everything was fine.
However .... a couple of weeks later his wife took it to be unlocked (it was on vodafone) and the person that unlocked it, said it was stolen and now it doesnt work!!!
The person she used is believed to be ok as always use them and known them a while so what do you think has gone wrong?
Could the "shop" i bought the phone from on fleabay have waited a couple of weeks then reported the phone stolen??
I don't think i can link to fleabay on here (??) but if you put in "The Vodafone Mobile Phone Store ", you'll see the shop/seller.

I just feel REALLY guilty now cos i found the phone for my friend and now he's paid out 60 quid and has a worthless phone

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do a paypal dispute, un described.. as you wasn't told it was locked ........ and here is a hint, buy from a shop.... ebay is full of scammers

If it were me I would start a paypal claim, and see if they can get you your money back.

you could always threaten the seller! Demand your money back or you will take the phone to the police and tell them were you bought it.

You can also report this to ebay. Don't forget to leave a neg feedback too!

EDIT: Just realised that you think the seller reported the phone as stolen, not that they stole it! You could still start a paypal dispute though. That is certainly what I would do

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have you contacted the seller to ask?

think the first thing you need to do is find out exactly is wrong with the phone.

Taking the word of a person who unlocks phones isn't something I'd do lightly and I'd find out if they just havn't made a pigs ear of the unlocking, bricked it and are now shifting the blame.

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ants97;5320412

think the first thing you need to do is find out exactly is wrong with … think the first thing you need to do is find out exactly is wrong with the phone. Taking the word of a person who unlocks phones isn't something I'd do lightly and I'd find out if they just havn't made a pigs ear of the unlocking, bricked it and are now shifting the blame.



That's what i was thinking but my friend has always used this person n never had any problems before.

I forgot to add i bought the phone at the end of march.
Will this affect the paypal dispute as ive never done 1 before?

speak to the seller.

raise up a paypal claim if necessary

ebay is awful for this kind of thing.

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faevilangel;5320361

do a paypal dispute, un described.. as you wasn't told it was locked … do a paypal dispute, un described.. as you wasn't told it was locked ........ and here is a hint, buy from a shop.... ebay is full of scammers



We knew it was locked to voda

you have 45 days to open a dispute

Original Poster

Think i'll e-mail the seller and see what they have to say.
I cant leave neg feedback as already left positive when phone was received and worked fine

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faevilangel;5320457

you have 45 days to open a dispute



Its been more than that

Before anything else, are you sure it was stolen? Who was the unlocker, and isn't there a chance they were telling porkies because they bricked the phone?

magough;5320434

That's what i was thinking but my friend has always used this person n … That's what i was thinking but my friend has always used this person n never had any problems before.I forgot to add i bought the phone at the end of march.Will this affect the paypal dispute as ive never done 1 before?



I'd take it to a vodafone store and see what they say about the phone first as this could get really messy. If you send the phone back at your own expense and it then turns out that it has been bricked by the unlocking guy then you'd be onto plums. Establishing who's at fault would be my first port of call before starting paypal disputes and blaming ebay.

magough;5320446

We knew it was locked to voda



i mean locked in stolen and reported,

you really have 3 choices

1... open a dispute and ask paypal to get your money back
2...buy another phone and put it down to experience
3... sell the phone on ebay but put it as barred in the uk (phones locked down in the UK, still can be used outside the uk)

dcx_badass;5320576

So you gonna tell us what it says on the phone screen or not?



Try asking the OP first, i doubt he has physic powers.

the imie number is hopefully printed inside the phone somerwhere, usually under the batter compartment, if you quote the to voda they should be able to tell you if it's been reported stolen.

does the phone still switch on? because i'm pretty sure a barred phone would still switch on fine but refuse to connect to any network. whereas a bricked phone probably wouldn't power up.

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magough;5320469

Think i'll e-mail the seller and see what they have to say.



That might have been a good idea before making everyone on here think he has ripped you off!

If he has 25k feedback then its extremely likely he's buying and selling phones. He might have bought it from someone who has then reported it stolen andthe seller knows nothing about it at all.

Ring voda, give them the imei and tell them its stopped working, as if it has been reported lost or stolen. That will show if it has or if the unlocker has done something to the phone. But if it was working when it was taken to be unlocked and as soon as it was unlocked it didn't, I very much doubt in the few minutes it would take to unlock it it would be barred!

If it has then email the seller and tell him whats happened and see what his response is before going any further. If he's a good seller he should offer to replace or refund without any problem.

Liddle ol' me;5320491

Before anything else, are you sure it was stolen? Who was the unlocker, … Before anything else, are you sure it was stolen? Who was the unlocker, and isn't there a chance they were telling porkies because they bricked the phone?



what does "bricked" mean???????:thinking:

ViperKeith;5320961

what does "bricked" mean???????:thinking:



rendered useless like a brick you can 'brick' phones or consoles etc by tampering with their security / locking firmware and making a hash of it!

Original Poster

Basically he took the phone to get it unlocked and the guy said that it had been stolen.
The phone now wont turn on.
They do trust this guy that unlocked it (he's a shop) and has been unlocking their phones for years.

The "shop" on ebay altho he has 25000+ feedback, ive just looked and he has 20 negatives in the last month!!

Can i post a link to it on here?

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dcx_badass;5321048

I was going to but then...oh wait I did ask the OP....



I cant tell you as the phone will not turn on

magough;5321120

Basically he took the phone to get it unlocked and the guy said that it … Basically he took the phone to get it unlocked and the guy said that it had been stolen.The phone now wont turn on.They do trust this guy that unlocked it (he's a shop) and has been unlocking their phones for years.The "shop" on ebay altho he has 25000+ feedback, ive just looked and he has 20 negatives in the last month!!Can i post a link to it on here?



Ahhh .... can't post an ebay link but I guess the item number can be posted...?

EDIT: Btw, if someone in a business comes across a stolen phone, are they not under some sort of duty to report it or something? Sounds like no.

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The item number was 190293057722

magough;5321434

The item number was 190293057722



looking at that then I'm more leaning towards the guy who unlocked it bricked it. they've got pretty good feedback and the small percentage of negs don't mention anything about stolen phones.

If the phone was working and everything was fine before this guy got his hands on it then no matter if he'd done phones for them before he'd be my second port of call after vodafone.

ants97;5321535

looking at that then I'm more leaning towards the guy who unlocked it … looking at that then I'm more leaning towards the guy who unlocked it bricked it. they've got pretty good feedback and the small percentage of negs don't mention anything about stolen phones. If the phone was working and everything was fine before this guy got his hands on it then no matter if he'd done phones for them before he'd be my second port of call after vodafone.



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Indeed OP, if the phone was reported lost or stolen it would still function but wouldnt alow you to gain a signal etc, generally making the phone only useful for looking at the time, your contacts and as an alarm clock.
What has happened here is that the guy who was unlocking it has broken it, simple as that, your problem lies with him.
If you were to call Voda they will tell you that the phone is NOT stolen and that your man has broke your phone, best you go pay him a little vbisit and ask why he is talking piddle posh about it being nicked and own up for trashing it!


Mike..

Liddle ol' me;5321598

+1



+1

He bodged it. It would still turn on otherwise.

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magough;5321120

Basically he took the phone to get it unlocked and the guy said that it … Basically he took the phone to get it unlocked and the guy said that it had been stolen.The phone now wont turn on.They do trust this guy that unlocked it (he's a shop) and has been unlocking their phones for years.The "shop" on ebay altho he has 25000+ feedback, ive just looked and he has 20 negatives in the last month!!Can i post a link to it on here?



As others have said, the unlocker killed it 100%
What did voda say when you called them?

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colinsunderland;5321725

As others have said, the unlocker killed it 100%What did voda say when … As others have said, the unlocker killed it 100%What did voda say when you called them?



hahahahahaha.. broke :w00t:

Original Poster

Cheers guys.
That seems 2 b a majority verdict lol.

As i said it's not my phone, but i will get the owner to call voda n see what they say.

I'll let u know, cheers

dcx_badass;5321638

Well then the unlock guy killed the phone. Blocked Stolen phones still … Well then the unlock guy killed the phone. Blocked Stolen phones still turn on fine, they just don't get a signal/say invalid sim.The unlock guy 100% killed the phone.



+1

the phone is bricked, go back, make them replace the handset. what kind of phone is it?

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Sony Ericsson W880i

connect it to seus, that'll fix it

or flash it with xs++, pretty easy to do.

Put the phone's IMEI number here

checkmend.com/uk/…art

You can check if it is blocked, reported stolen etc. Will cost £2 but is worth it..

Also check the phones IMEI number (press *#06# or behind the battery) with the IMEI sticker that should be on the box of the phone. If they do match then it's the ebay seller that has ripped you.. If they don't match then the shop has done ya..

Jus read it don't switch on, seems like the shop has swapped phones or something..

Liddle ol' me;5321598

+1



dcx_badass;5321638

Well then the unlock guy killed the phone. Blocked Stolen phones still … Well then the unlock guy killed the phone. Blocked Stolen phones still turn on fine, they just don't get a signal/say invalid sim.The unlock guy 100% killed the phone.



Shengis;5321683

+1He bodged it. It would still turn on otherwise.



dog_cop;5321813

[/B]hahahahahaha.. broke :w00t:



shanecr;5321913

+1the phone is bricked, go back, make them replace the handset. what kind … +1the phone is bricked, go back, make them replace the handset. what kind of phone is it?



Yep broke. Can't believe a 'professional' would brick a phone and palm the blame off on you.

Vodafone/ Sony will laugh at you, you've voided the warranty by getting it unlocked... well. atempted.

very definitely bricked. you can often recover a bad flash on SE phones tho. but I did manage to totally ****** an old K series phone once and couldn't get it back. if the firmware is bad you'll probably see the power light flash red when you try to turn it on (i think) tho i don't know if it's the same for every SE. Also an SE service centre will be able to fix it, and will flash it with the latest generic firmware, but i'm not sure how much that would cost, if you track down your closest service centre tho and get a quote, you mind stand a better chance in your battle with the unlocker, just to get him to pay for you to get it fixed rather than the cost of a new phone.
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