SATS boycott hits hundreds of schools

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Found 10th May 2010
Hundreds of schools in England are staging a boycott of one of the cornerstones of primary education, the national schools tests, known as Sats.

About 600,000 10 and 11-year-olds are due to take the tests from Monday.

But heads and deputies from two big unions voted for a boycott.

BBC News has contacted 113 councils and found that - among those who responded - 15% of schools are not doing the tests.

The data is not complete, but the councils which have given information cover 73% of England's 17,000 primary schools.

Among the schools of which the BBC has details, nearly 1,900 (15%) say they will boycott the tests and about 5,650 say they will not (45%).

The councils say they do not know the situation in the remaining 40% of schools.

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Original Poster

I think this is a disgrace, what right do the teachers have to say that they will be boycotting SATS tests? These tests are for the benefit of the children, and they are depriving them of education.

peodude;8569442

I think this is a disgrace, what right do the teachers have to say that … I think this is a disgrace, what right do the teachers have to say that they will be boycotting SATS tests? These tests are for the benefit of the children, and they are depriving them of education.



i totally agree

peodude;8569442

I think this is a disgrace, what right do the teachers have to say that … I think this is a disgrace, what right do the teachers have to say that they will be boycotting SATS tests? These tests are for the benefit of the children, and they are depriving them of education.



teachers will tell you they are NOT for the benefit of children tho,because they are made to "teach to the test",rather than actually educate.

Original Poster

They also act as standard set of guidelines to Secondary Schools, who have never met the pupils before, ti give them an idea of their ability, so that they can help people to the right level.

meh sats mean nothing anyway - 6 - 6 -5 :-D

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peodude;8569442

I think this is a disgrace, what right do the teachers have to say that … I think this is a disgrace, what right do the teachers have to say that they will be boycotting SATS tests? These tests are for the benefit of the children, and they are depriving them of education.



Wait a minute - teachers are striking for something other than pay:w00t:

Huzzah.

This is actually quite good - it indicates that maybe teachers are coming round to the idea that they might know how to teach kids rather than just following government guidelines.

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barky;8569504

teachers will tell you they are NOT for the benefit of children … teachers will tell you they are NOT for the benefit of children tho,because they are made to "teach to the test",rather than actually educate.



That is the same all the way through education, GCSE's and A-Levels are also taught "to test" Move out into the "real world" and it is still the same in the driving test.

They do benefit the pupils, as they are a good experience for what is going to be happening later on, i.e., taking a test under exam conditions. Better getting them used to it now than throwing them straight in with the pressure of GCSEs

you should try living in my house at the min.have 2 children taking sats tests,and 1 taking gcses.im spending the week treading on eggshells coz the kids are soooo stressed.nightmare.

peodude;8569442

I think this is a disgrace, what right do the teachers have to say that … I think this is a disgrace, what right do the teachers have to say that they will be boycotting SATS tests? These tests are for the benefit of the children, and they are depriving them of education.



lol what right does a democracy have not to let the most voted party to be in charge..................

I mean, the only 2 things worth counting for in a SAT are Maths and English, nevermind, Art, Science, Geography, History, etc etc. it obviously shows a broad view of the child with only Maths and English to go by.............:roll::roll:

Original Poster

Alfonse, SATS are Maths, English and Science, the three main building blocks of education.

peodude;8569816

Alfonse, SATS are Maths, English and Science, the three main building … Alfonse, SATS are Maths, English and Science, the three main building blocks of education.



our school is not doing the science 1.only maths and english

peodude;8569816

Alfonse, SATS are Maths, English and Science, the three main building … Alfonse, SATS are Maths, English and Science, the three main building blocks of education.



you have been corrected already thanks

It seems that some teachers dont want people to know how bad they are,

tonyg1962;8569888

It seems that some teachers dont want people to know how bad they are,



lol so teachers are to force the children to learn, would this be by the dumbbell approach?

so if you have children, do they do what you say ALL the time? lollington

:roll:

Alfonse;8569908

lol so teachers are to force the children to learn, would this be by the … lol so teachers are to force the children to learn, would this be by the dumbbell approach?so if you have children, do they do what you say ALL the time? lollington:roll:



Yes they do :whistling:

I think the exams are good. It will help assess learning at comparable national levels imo. What they teach "for the test" is not wasteful teaching but is part of their education.

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If we must test at year 6, can we not just bring back the 11+ and then separate the wheat from the chaff (or chav if you insist on common parlance).

tonyg1962;8569929

Yes they do :whistling:



gotta love liars, NEVER an argument/trantrum in your house??

well done

:thumbsup:

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peodude;8569506

They also act as standard set of guidelines to Secondary Schools, who … They also act as standard set of guidelines to Secondary Schools, who have never met the pupils before, ti give them an idea of their ability, so that they can help people to the right level.



that used to happen when i was at school, long before sats

my 6 yr old has been sitting his KS1 SATs...... bring it on i say!

here in kent we do have the 11+. personally think its a great idea.

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then this generations GCSEs will be too hard so they'll scrap it for the next generation then their a-levels will be too hard... then pilots will be flying after 40 hrs on flight sim and doctors taking on patients after completing trauma on the wii....i cry for the future

bykergrove;8570417

then this generations GCSEs will be too hard so they'll scrap it for the … then this generations GCSEs will be too hard so they'll scrap it for the next generation then their a-levels will be too hard... then pilots will be flying after 40 hrs on flight sim and doctors taking on patients after completing trauma on the wii....i cry for the future



Scotland and Wales don't have SATs....................be careful

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bykergrove;8570417

then this generations GCSEs will be too hard so they'll scrap it for the … then this generations GCSEs will be too hard so they'll scrap it for the next generation then their a-levels will be too hard... then pilots will be flying after 40 hrs on flight sim and doctors taking on patients after completing trauma on the wii....i cry for the future



Meaning my 11 O'Levels and 2 A Levels are actually worth something!

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Alfonse;8570439

Scotland and Wales don't have SATs....................be careful



is the rest of their education system the same as us then? if so then maybe they should try some sats

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guv;8570455

Meaning my 11 O'Levels and 2 A Levels are actually worth something!



my 4 a-levels are worth something i wouldn't be able to get a good job without them.

bykergrove;8570462

is the rest of their education system the same as us then? if so then … is the rest of their education system the same as us then? if so then maybe they should try some sats



why?

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Alfonse;8570534

why?



is the rest of their education the same as us?

if not what was your original point?

if it is it will give them more experience with exams and so things like GCSEs wont be such a big shock

or are you just trolling?

Both Wales and Scotland introduced the SATS tests when they were first brought in, however both then decided after much research that the tests did not help the pupils in any way as they simply meant that the entire school year up to the test was having to be geared solely to the tests and the kids were missing out on the wider curriculum, as well as them being far more stressed than those not taking the tests. It was decided that the kids benefited more from the wider balanced lessons than from taking the tests. These SATS were phased out a few years ago and educationalists agree that the standard of pupils going up to high school has not suffered as a result, nor are kids finding it harder to deal with later exams such as GSCE's or A levels as they still have ordinary school exams.

PS Sorry cant provide references till later as typing this on phone in car :-) !!

vraptorchick;8570759

Both Wales and Scotland introduced the SATS tests when they were first … Both Wales and Scotland introduced the SATS tests when they were first brought in, however both then decided after much research that the tests did not help the pupils in any way as they simply meant that the entire school year up to the test was having to be geared solely to the tests and the kids were missing out on the wider curriculum, as well as them being far more stressed than those not taking the tests. It was decided that the kids benefited more from the wider balanced lessons than from taking the tests. These SATS were phased out a few years ago and educationalists agree that the standard of pupils going up to high school has not suffered as a result, nor are kids finding it harder to deal with later exams such as GSCE's or A levels as they still have ordinary school exams.PS Sorry cant provide references till later as typing this on phone in car :-) !!



very well explained :thumbsup:

Even though this doesnt effect my son cause we are in Scotland - does anyone know if the schools have even asked the PARENTS on their opinions on this before they decided on this boycott? I would be pretty peeved if this was done without any parent input

bykergrove;8570549

is the rest of their education the same as us?if not what was your … is the rest of their education the same as us?if not what was your original point?if it is it will give them more experience with exams and so things like GCSEs wont be such a big shockor are you just trolling?



haha

Our weekly school letter informed us that our school is not supporting the boycott. The head teacher believed it would be wrong to not let the children sit the tests after spending so long working on them.

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Alfonse;8570962

haha



lol cry moar to the mods. remind me to ignore your posts from now on.

Brb;8570997

Our weekly school letter informed us that our school is not supporting … Our weekly school letter informed us that our school is not supporting the boycott. The head teacher believed it would be wrong to not let the children sit the tests after spending so long working on them.



I would tend to agree with them - but would definitely want my input when it comes to my sons education

My friend's mum is a headmistress and she's boycotting them because she sees them as being an unfair way of testing schools. The whole point of them is to give the government statistics, not to benefit the children. Apparently, one wrong answer can mean the difference between two different gradings and she's not happy that it's a fair way of judging both the individual child and the school as a whole. Admittedly, my understanding is loose at best, but I completely saw the reasoning when she was explaining it to me last week. She has a pretty much 50/50 split in opinion on the matter from her PTA. A lot of parents are supporting her though, as she's still giving exams- just not the SATS.

bykergrove;8571042

lol cry moar to the mods. remind me to ignore your posts from now on.



if only I did, meh

bossyboots;8571056

I would tend to agree with them - but would definitely want my input when … I would tend to agree with them - but would definitely want my input when it comes to my sons education



I only feel uncomfortable with the SATS because my daughter's reading level isn't what it should be. She's a year ahead of her peers in maths/science though (go figure). She is set to sit them next year. If the plan is to boycott them again then yes I would like to see the school seek my opinion before going ahead.

I did voice worries over the SATS at our last parents' evening but did tell the teacher that I've told my daughter that the SATS are the way the teachers are tested by testing her and the teacher thought that was a great approach.

Whether we believe in these tests or not the important thing (I believe) is to not stress children out by thinking that they may fail/pass something that truly matters.

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vraptorchick;8570759

as well as them being far more stressed than those not taking the tests. … as well as them being far more stressed than those not taking the tests. !!



Aww diddums, what a shame, the poor kids getting stressed by actually having to do some work.

dandoc2;8569517

meh sats mean nothing anyway - 6 - 6 -5 :-D



got 8 maths and 7 in science and english :whistling:
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