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    above is a link for what so called celtic fans displayed at their home game against aberdeen yesterday. It is all over the internet and in a few papers, for this to be allowed during the period of rememberance is disgusting.

    It does not reflect well on celtic nor the majority of Scotland. These people have no place in this country if this is the feelings they have toward the fallen heroes of our great nation.

    Lest we forget

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    *shakes head*

    Oh, here we go...

    In all, about 210,000 Irishmen served in the British forces during World War One. Since there was no conscription, about 140,000 of these joined during the war as volunteers. Some 35,000 Irish died.
    bbc.co.uk/his…tml

    As is commonly known, the Republic of Ireland remained neutral throughout World War 2. What is less well-known on the British side of the Irish Sea is that tens of thousands of Irish citizens volunteered to fight in the British armed forces, and later in those of the USA. Many Irish aircrew served in the RAF, and 10 of these flew in the Battle of Britain. Casualties are difficult to estimate, but a figure of 10,000 put forward in the 1990s is probably as good a guess as any.
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    Scum, plain and simple.

    Banned

    idiotic.

    lets see them try to blame this one on the referees and the sfa.

    lol brillant, uneducated know it alls that know nothing, what will be there next display. i hope fifa really come down heavy on celtic this behaviour is outrageous, lack of respect...what are celtic doing about this stupid ****?

    the "fallen hereos" who have caused terror on the streets of so many different countries during their illegal occupations. The british army rightfully fought for the freedom of speech in wwII. But unfortunately the poppy is now used as military propaganda and remembers the soldiers who have fought in so many unjustified wars over the years and caused such brutality. These fans have every right to show their opinion on the poppy being FORCED upon our strips.

    ciarancfc

    the "fallen hereos" who have caused terror on the streets of so many … the "fallen hereos" who have caused terror on the streets of so many different countries during their illegal occupations. The british army rightfully fought for the freedom of speech in wwII. But unfortunately the poppy is now used as military propaganda and remembers the soldiers who have fought in so many unjustified wars over the years and caused such brutality. These fans have every right to show their opinion on the poppy being FORCED upon our strips.



    Are you simple or something? infact, don't answer that you will probably degrade yourself more.

    The poppy is worn in remembrance of the FIRST world war, Flanders fields poppys.. its basic history. It is implicitly used for all wars that the British armed forces have served in though. Regardless of what your thoughts about the current state of affairs, you need to think about what the poppy appeal is for.

    I'm not pro war, pro Iraq or whatever. I disagree with most of what has gone on. I also disagree with the way spoppies are seemingly forced upon people in the public eye. But that doesn't change the message behind the RBLs poppy appeal. If i was a Celtic supporter i would be ****ing ashamed.

    Do yourself a favour and get an education.

    Edited by: "Jetpac" 7th Nov 2010

    ciarancfc

    the "fallen hereos" who have caused terror on the streets of so many … the "fallen hereos" who have caused terror on the streets of so many different countries during their illegal occupations. The british army rightfully fought for the freedom of speech in wwII. But unfortunately the poppy is now used as military propaganda and remembers the soldiers who have fought in so many unjustified wars over the years and caused such brutality. These fans have every right to show their opinion on the poppy being FORCED upon our strips.



    Wow, just wow

    looks fake to me the picture. can any match goers confirm this was present?

    Jetpac

    Are you simple or something? infact, don't answer that you will probably … Are you simple or something? infact, don't answer that you will probably degrade yourself more.The poppy is worn in remembrance of the FIRST world war, Flanders fields poppys.. its basic history. It is implicitly used for all wars that the British armed forces have served in though. Regardless of what your thoughts about the current state of affairs, you need to think about what the poppy appeal is for.I'm not pro war, pro Iraq or whatever. I disagree with most of what has gone on. But that doesn't change the message behind the RBLs poppy appeal. If i was a Celtic supporter i would be ****ing ashamed.Do yourself a favour and get an education.



    Alot of the money from the poppy is used to fund the british army who are currently fight ILLEGAL wars. The injured soldiers should be looked after by the government who sent them to fight these wars. I have no problem remebering the fallen from ww1 and 2 but the poppy has been hijacked and is used as military propaganda.. Why should a club who has a large contingent of irish fans be forced to wear a poppy which symoblises the terror brought not only to the streets of ireland but other countires such as iraq and afghanistan ?

    oh.. and what is Bloostained? anyone else notice that?

    lanc_red

    looks fake to me the picture. can any match goers confirm this was … looks fake to me the picture. can any match goers confirm this was present?



    yes it was present. Here is a statement by the group who rightfully produced the banners :

    At half-time during today’s match against Aberdeen we displayed message banners calling for ‘No bloodstained poppys on our hoops’ in protest at the Club’s decision to once again wear the poppy on our shirts during next week’s game at St Mirren (a match our group will not attend because of this decision). This is in support of an appeal by Poppyscotland to all SPL clubs. Poppyscotland describes its role as ‘supporting heroes’ and state that ‘the poppy has become a symbol of remembrance and for the sacrifices made by our Armed Forces’. Our group and many within the Celtic support do not recognise the British Armed Forces as heroes, nor their role in many conflicts as one worthy of our remembrance. Earlier this year, the Saville Report on Bloody Sunday confirmed that 14 unarmed civilians were murdered in Derry in 1972 by the Paratroop Regiment. They were among hundreds killed by the British Army during the most recent phase of conflict in Ireland. More recently, the British Armed Forces have murdered and maimed many thousands more innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. The poppy remembers not just our grandfathers who fought the Nazis but also those who bombed the Belgrano and brutally occupied the streets of Belfast and Basra. While we recognise the right of individuals to remember their dead and that many within the Celtic support will wear the poppy in memory of family and friends lost in WW2 and other conflicts, we cannot accept the imposition of the poppy onto our shirts.

    As far back as April, representatives from the Green Brigade, Celtic Supporters Association and Celtic Trust met with Peter Lawwell to express our united opposition to the Club imposing the poppy on the first team jersey. We also know that the AICSC and many other individual supporters had called on the Club to reverse their position of previous years and take the poppy off the shirt. Following our meeting in April, the Club were contacted on several occasions for further dialogue on the issue but informed us that they were still considering their position and would get back to us. The first any group knew of the decision was after it had been made, and publicly announced. We share the views of the AICSC whose recent statement on the poppy stated that ‘to see the jersey being used as a medium for such a divisive symbol and the message it communicates is deplorable’, and that it showed a complete lack of respect for the support, further highlighted by repeated declarations on the official website of Celtic’s delight to be wearing the poppy and supporting Poppyscotland. It appears rather than leave his politics at the door, chairman John Reid, the former Armed Forces Minister and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland and Defence, has forced his onto the first team jersey.

    As you may have noticed at today's game, we mistakenly missed out the 'D' in 'bloodstained'. This happened in the rush to finish two displays for today's game (with our 'Show the SFA the red card' action before the match the other). The real mistake, however, is the Club forcing the poppy onto our shirt.

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    lanc_red

    looks fake to me the picture. can any match goers confirm this was … looks fake to me the picture. can any match goers confirm this was present?



    its not a fake , its in a few papers up here. Also on willievass.photoshelter.com/gal…ink

    Original Poster

    Alot of the money from the poppy is used to fund the british army who are … Alot of the money from the poppy is used to fund the british army who are currently fight ILLEGAL wars. ?



    directly from poppy scotland website

    How do Poppyscotland spend my donations?
    Poppyscotland spend money in two ways. For those who are struggling with the practicalities of life outside the Armed Forces, Poppyscotland provides financial aid. In 2009 we gave grants to over 1400 individuals and their families. The guiding principle in our grant-giving is to offer a hand up, not a hand out.

    Poppyscotland also help to fund a range of organisations who provide ongoing specialist services for ex-Servicemen and women and their families, from post traumatic stress counselling to a dedicated advice service for veterans. In 2009 we gave over £1 million to 13 organisations, including £660,000 to help build new homes for ex-Servicemen and women throughout Scotland.


    I dont see anything to suggest that money goes to fund any war ....

    ciarancfc

    Alot of the money from the poppy is used to fund the british army who are … Alot of the money from the poppy is used to fund the british army who are currently fight ILLEGAL wars. The injured soldiers should be looked after by the government who sent them to fight these wars. I have no problem remebering the fallen from ww1 and 2 but the poppy has been hijacked and is used as military propaganda.. Why should a club who has a large contingent of irish fans be forced to wear a poppy which symoblises the terror brought not only to the streets of ireland but other countires such as iraq and afghanistan ?



    Funding the British army.... are you serious, i mean ACTUALLY serious?
    The Royal British Legion is behind the poppy appeal.. do yourself a favour and read their website:

    britishlegion.org.uk/

    They don't "fund" the British Army.
    DO you even know what propaganda is?! Please for the love of god pick up a dictionary.

    "Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position." there you go, i've saved you some time and effort and got a definition for you. It is not used as a form of support for the wars or whatever you complete moron it is a symbol of REMEMBRANCE.

    A club with a large number of Irish fans huh? a club with a large number of ignorant Irish fans who seem unaware that there are a decent number of IRISH serving in the British Army.

    You sir are an Idiot.

    ciarancfc

    The poppy remembers not just our grandfathers who fought the Nazis but … The poppy remembers not just our grandfathers who fought the Nazis but also those who bombed the Belgrano and brutally occupied the streets of Belfast and Basra. While we recognise the right of individuals to remember their dead and that many within the Celtic support will wear the poppy in memory of family and friends lost in WW2 and other conflicts, we cannot accept the imposition of the poppy onto our shirts.



    WW2... these people are idiots.. POPPIES ARE WORN FOR WWI and the subsequent conflicts. They cant even mention the original reasoning!!
    Edited by: "Jetpac" 7th Nov 2010

    "As you may have noticed at today's game, we mistakenly missed out the 'D' in 'bloodstained'. This happened in the rush to finish two displays for today's game (with our 'Show the SFA the red card' action before the match the other). The real mistake, however, is the Club forcing the poppy onto our shirt."

    Absolutely ****ing HILARIOUS, it just shows how well educated these guys are.
    oh and btw Ciaran.... as someone who doesn't like this "Poppy Propaganda" (in your poor grasp of the meaning of the word) you are doing a hell of a job falling for this ACTUAL propaganda.

    Disgusting.

    Jetpac

    "As you may have noticed at today's game, we mistakenly missed out the … "As you may have noticed at today's game, we mistakenly missed out the 'D' in 'bloodstained'. This happened in the rush to finish two displays for today's game (with our 'Show the SFA the red card' action before the match the other). The real mistake, however, is the Club forcing the poppy onto our shirt."Absolutely ****ing HILARIOUS, it just shows how well educated these guys are.oh and btw Ciaran.... as someone who doesn't like this "Poppy Propaganda" (in your poor grasp of the meaning of the word) you are doing a hell of a job falling for this ACTUAL propaganda.



    Haha, i laughed at that bit as well!

    Jetpac

    Funding the British army.... are you serious, i mean ACTUALLY serious? … Funding the British army.... are you serious, i mean ACTUALLY serious? The Royal British Legion is behind the poppy appeal.. do yourself a favour and read their website:http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/They don't "fund" the British Army. DO you even know what propaganda is?! Please for the love of god pick up a dictionary."Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position." there you go, i've saved you some time and effort and got a definition for you. It is not used as a form of support for the wars or whatever you complete moron it is a symbol of REMEMBRANCE.A club with a large number of Irish fans huh? a club with a large number of ignorant Irish fans who seem unaware that there are a decent number of IRISH serving in the British Army.You sir are an Idiot.



    Ok they might not fund the british army directly but they do fund the murders who fought for them in many illegal wars. Yes i know what propaganda is ? Tell me this why is every BBC presenter and other channel told to wear poppies ?

    dailymail.co.uk/new…490

    Banned

    I've seen some loony rants in my time on here but ciarancfc takes the biscuit.

    I bet these scum dont mind taking benefits from the British taxpayer!

    ciarancfc

    Ok they might not fund the british army directly but they do fund the … Ok they might not fund the british army directly but they do fund the murders who fought for them in many illegal wars. Yes i know what propaganda is ? Tell me this why is every BBC presenter and other channel told to wear poppies ? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326063/Jon-Snow-poppy-fascism-row-C4-News-host-refuses-surrender.html?ITO=1490



    What is it with you and the bloody "Illegal Wars" as i've said i don't agree with most things. The whole Irish thing with the British armed forces. Lets not forget the terrorist attacks of the IRA etc

    and NO you don't know what propaganda means obviously! as you are still Interpreting it wrong!

    News presenters etc in the same way a the football players you love so much at Celtic (along with the rest of the ignorant supporters) wear the poppy because they represent the organisation they work for who support the REMEMBRANCE appeal and want to be seen to do so.

    The whole Jon Snow thing regards him favouring one cause over another because he cant possibly wear all awareness things he gets sent regardless of what he follows. He DOES wear a poppy when not on air.. or did you not bother reading that either.. probably not.

    Remembrance is a BIG deal it affects has affected and will affect a vast amount of people. You clearly have NO IDEA what the whole thing is about.

    Do yourself a favour, actually go and read about what they do. you might actually learn something for once in your seemingly ignorant life.

    Jetpac

    What is it with you and the bloody "Illegal Wars" as i've said i don't … What is it with you and the bloody "Illegal Wars" as i've said i don't agree with most things. The whole Irish thing with the British armed forces. Lets not forget the terrorist attacks of the IRA etcand NO you don't know what propaganda means obviously! as you are still Interpreting it wrong!News presenters etc in the same way a the football players you love so much at Celtic (along with the rest of the ignorant supporters) wear the poppy because they represent the organisation they work for who support the REMEMBRANCE appeal and want to be seen to do so.The whole Jon Snow thing regards him favouring one cause over another because he cant possibly wear all awareness things he gets sent regardless of what he follows. He DOES wear a poppy when not on air.. or did you not bother reading that either.. probably not.Remembrance is a BIG deal it affects has affected and will affect a vast amount of people. You clearly have NO IDEA what the whole thing is about.Do yourself a favour, actually go and read about what they do. you might actually learn something for once in your seemingly ignorant life.



    the poppy is used to try glorify the "heroes" who have murdered many innocent civillians in unjustified wars over the years. Cant you accept that people might not want to remember or financially support these murderers who may have killed their familys or friends ? Im fed up arguing with you we're going round in circles. Can we agree to disagree ?

    "it does not reflect well on celtic NOR the majority of Scotland"-please explain op-what on earth does a TINY minority of football fans have to do with the majority of Scotland? I dont agree with the banners btw,but you are tarring the MAJORITY of my country with the same brush?

    ciarancfc

    yes it was present. Here is a statement by the group who rightfully … yes it was present. Here is a statement by the group who rightfully produced the banners :At half-time during today’s match against Aberdeen we displayed message banners calling for ‘No bloodstained poppys on our hoops’ in protest at the Club’s decision to once again wear the poppy on our shirts during next week’s game at St Mirren (a match our group will not attend because of this decision). This is in support of an appeal by Poppyscotland to all SPL clubs. Poppyscotland describes its role as ‘supporting heroes’ and state that ‘the poppy has become a symbol of remembrance and for the sacrifices made by our Armed Forces’. Our group and many within the Celtic support do not recognise the British Armed Forces as heroes, nor their role in many conflicts as one worthy of our remembrance. Earlier this year, the Saville Report on Bloody Sunday confirmed that 14 unarmed civilians were murdered in Derry in 1972 by the Paratroop Regiment. They were among hundreds killed by the British Army during the most recent phase of conflict in Ireland. More recently, the British Armed Forces have murdered and maimed many thousands more innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. The poppy remembers not just our grandfathers who fought the Nazis but also those who bombed the Belgrano and brutally occupied the streets of Belfast and Basra. While we recognise the right of individuals to remember their dead and that many within the Celtic support will wear the poppy in memory of family and friends lost in WW2 and other conflicts, we cannot accept the imposition of the poppy onto our shirts.As far back as April, representatives from the Green Brigade, Celtic Supporters Association and Celtic Trust met with Peter Lawwell to express our united opposition to the Club imposing the poppy on the first team jersey. We also know that the AICSC and many other individual supporters had called on the Club to reverse their position of previous years and take the poppy off the shirt. Following our meeting in April, the Club were contacted on several occasions for further dialogue on the issue but informed us that they were still considering their position and would get back to us. The first any group knew of the decision was after it had been made, and publicly announced. We share the views of the AICSC whose recent statement on the poppy stated that ‘to see the jersey being used as a medium for such a divisive symbol and the message it communicates is deplorable’, and that it showed a complete lack of respect for the support, further highlighted by repeated declarations on the official website of Celtic’s delight to be wearing the poppy and supporting Poppyscotland. It appears rather than leave his politics at the door, chairman John Reid, the former Armed Forces Minister and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland and Defence, has forced his onto the first team jersey.As you may have noticed at today's game, we mistakenly missed out the 'D' in 'bloodstained'. This happened in the rush to finish two displays for today's game (with our 'Show the SFA the red card' action before the match the other). The real mistake, however, is the Club forcing the poppy onto our shirt.

    go back to nursery mate, seems to be where your intelligence level is at.

    thanks.

    ciarancfc

    the poppy is used to try glorify the "heroes" who have murdered many … the poppy is used to try glorify the "heroes" who have murdered many innocent civillians in unjustified wars over the years. Cant you accept that people might not want to remember or financially support these murderers who may have killed their familys or friends ? Im fed up arguing with you we're going round in circles. Can we agree to disagree ?



    No because you are simply arguing a point with facts that are incorrect.
    They are not murderers they are doing a job. Granted its a job that may include killing people but its not a perfect world. I think you will find those who have "murdered innocent civillians" are a tiny tiny TINY minority of all of those who have served, been injured or killed.

    Its not an argument at all, its a horribly ignorant point of view you and the rest of the pictured completely deluded and uneducated celtic fans share.

    Banned

    Jetpac

    No because you are simply arguing a point with facts that are incorrect. … No because you are simply arguing a point with facts that are incorrect. They are not murderers they are doing a job. Granted its a job that may include killing people but its not a perfect world. I think you will find those who have "murdered innocent civillians" are a tiny tiny TINY minority of all of those who have served, been injured or killed. Its not an argument at all, its a horribly ignorant point of view you and the rest of the pictured completely deluded and uneducated celtic fans share.


    Hear Hear!

    I wonder if it has occurred to the neanderthals with the banners,that the very people who fought and died to GIVE them the freedom of speech to spit their bile and ignorance,are the same people they are now insulting? Thing is,with this small minority,you are wasting your breath trying to argue with them-they are as indoctrinated in their misguided twaddle as a suicide bomber is-they will never change their views so best to just laugh at their patheticness. Im willing to bet that,faced with any kind of opposition,these "brave soldiers" would run home crying to their mothers. Bravery is a concept that escapes them,as is respect for others-they are vermin.

    "They are not murderers they are doing a job. Granted its a job that may include killing people"

    Ahh I see. As long as they are wearing British uniforms then that makes it ok...
    Thanks for clearing that up.

    TROOPS OUT

    barky

    I wonder if it has occurred to the neanderthals with the banners,that the … I wonder if it has occurred to the neanderthals with the banners,that the very people who fought and died to GIVE them the freedom of speech to spit their bile and ignorance,are the same people they are now insulting? Thing is,with this small minority,you are wasting your breath trying to argue with them-they are as indoctrinated in their misguided twaddle as a suicide bomber is-they will never change their views so best to just laugh at their patheticness. Im willing to bet that,faced with any kind of opposition,these "brave soldiers" would run home crying to their mothers. Bravery is a concept that escapes them,as is respect for others-they are vermin.



    My issue is this ignorance spreads. Im a secondary school teacher, i see and hear it every day from the kids who due to the impetuosity and impressionability of youth pick up this BS and i have to use my time to educate otherwise (which i dont mind doing,but detracts time from other areas) This type of ignorance is the worst being a combination of lack of education, the inability to form a reasonable argument and the unwillingness to actually read around an area.

    barky

    I wonder if it has occurred to the neanderthals with the banners,that the … I wonder if it has occurred to the neanderthals with the banners,that the very people who fought and died to GIVE them the freedom of speech to spit their bile and ignorance,are the same people they are now insulting? Thing is,with this small minority,you are wasting your breath trying to argue with them-they are as indoctrinated in their misguided twaddle as a suicide bomber is-they will never change their views so best to just laugh at their patheticness. Im willing to bet that,faced with any kind of opposition,these "brave soldiers" would run home crying to their mothers. Bravery is a concept that escapes them,as is respect for others-they are vermin.



    Agreed.

    I'm a Celtic fan, but these fools just bring shame on the club.

    They are known as the Green Brigade, and comprise mainly of a bunch of younger lads who's 'education' of the whole histrionics of conflict, stem from their dumb parents, who proliferate the type of ideals that should be long forgotten these days.

    There are plentiful problems on both sides of the Old Firm; lest we forget, the Rangers' Famine Song being a more recent diatribe that comes to mind, people in glass houses and all that. A number of posters on this thread need to take a step back and think about what they're saying in that regard.

    barky

    "it does not reflect well on celtic NOR the majority of Scotland"-please … "it does not reflect well on celtic NOR the majority of Scotland"-please explain op-what on earth does a TINY minority of football fans have to do with the majority of Scotland? I dont agree with the banners btw,but you are tarring the MAJORITY of my country with the same brush?


    totally agree with you barky you beat me to it

    rehydrated

    "They are not murderers they are doing a job. Granted its a job that may … "They are not murderers they are doing a job. Granted its a job that may include killing people"Ahh I see. As long as they are wearing British uniforms then that makes it ok...Thanks for clearing that up.TROOPS OUT



    If you are going to quote me, quote my opinions as well. i disagree with the war and want a full withdrawal. But there are still people shooting at them. You either forget or even worse are completely ignorant of the conflicts that require attention.

    Im pretty sure you have a lifestyle which you are pretty happy with, a lifestyle which would probably be very different if we didn't have these "Murderers" wearing British uniforms as you seem to think (reading between the lines).

    I doubt you will find any apart from a tiny minority in the armed forces who actually enjoy killing people. Lets not forget the very strict guidelines that the army have before firing their weapons.

    and just to balance things up and show that not all of scotland are like this despicable shower kilmarnock have given 1000 tickets for the killie v gers game to the armed forces and their families.

    football.co.uk/ran…tml

    great stuff from killie.

    ants97

    and just to balance things up and show that not all of scotland are like … and just to balance things up and show that not all of scotland are like this despicable shower kilmarnock have given 1000 tickets for the killie v gers game to the armed forces and their families. [url=http://www.football.co.uk/rangers/kilmarnock_fc_make_great_gesture_to_forces_families_rss1501032.shtml]http://www.football.co.uk/rangers/kilmarnock_fc_make_great_gesture_to_forces_families_rss1501032.shtml[/url]great stuff from killie.

    well done kilmarnock would rather have them in pl than Celtic.

    Banned

    Celtic in europe banner? Yeah that is s pretty crazy thought.

    Banned

    thej

    I'm sure you're the same muppet that was defending this mob a couple of … I'm sure you're the same muppet that was defending this mob a couple of years ago when they were handing out leaflets outside the park,some things never change i see.If the 'large contingent of Irish fans' aren't happy then why don't they just go back to Ireland and support an Irish club instead of embarrassing themselves and the club they supposedly love.



    + Infinity

    Do you think its lack of education or just serial brain washing that's the problem here?

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    moob

    Agreed.I'm a Celtic fan, but these fools just bring shame on the … Agreed.I'm a Celtic fan, but these fools just bring shame on the club.They are known as the Green Brigade, and comprise mainly of a bunch of younger lads who's 'education' of the whole histrionics of conflict, stem from their dumb parents, who proliferate the type of ideals that should be long forgotten these days.There are plentiful problems on both sides of the Old Firm; lest we forget, the Rangers' Famine Song being a more recent diatribe that comes to mind, people in glass houses and all that. A number of posters on this thread need to take a step back and think about what they're saying in that regard.



    Nice to see Celtic FC have now stepped in and said they will ban these idiots from their games. Just hope they do as they say. It's also good to see fans of celtic equally disgusted by these "fans".

    I wonder who this IRA supporter ITT will be supporting in future. It truely sickens me when I read this stuff, though literally its probably fair to say this time "blame the parents"

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    Edited by: "guv" 9th Nov 2010
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