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    Shame on FAW.

    We felt unable to take the risk of a financial penalty or point deduction.

    England and Scotland will defy Fifa's ban on players wearing poppies in their match on Friday.

    Shame on you FAW. Shame on Fifa.

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    hey they are free to make their own choice... that's what soldiers fought for

    Wales's insignificance.

    Hitler would not have allowed it nor will FIFA!

    If they's have 'wanted' to wear poppies they would have regardless.
    I would have, regardless.
    Would anyone here stand being told not to by anyone in the world, and then not wear one?

    I would genuinely rather our national team pull out of all Fifa competitions and wear a poppy than to not.

    shauneco

    I would genuinely rather our national team pull out of all Fifa … I would genuinely rather our national team pull out of all Fifa competitions and wear a poppy than to not.


    That's probably because you're not lining your pockets at the expense of the thousands of football fans who turn up to watch international games involving England. It's all about money in football; always has been and always will be.

    RonChew

    That's probably because you're not lining your pockets at the expense of … That's probably because you're not lining your pockets at the expense of the thousands of football fans who turn up to watch international games involving England. It's all about money in football; always has been and always will be.


    Not so much for the national team. However I would sacrifice my wages to mark my respect and I suspect the England players would donate to the British Legion too has that is usually what they do with their wages.

    Banned

    And so it begins X)

    sunnyhot

    hey they are free to make their own choice... that's what soldiers fought … hey they are free to make their own choice... that's what soldiers fought for


    The soldiers fought for freedom, precisely what FIFA are preventing, Wales relents, what a pity!

    FIFAs law does seem quite clear on this. "Equipment must not have any political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images."

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    FIFAs law does seem quite clear on this. "Equipment must not have any … FIFAs law does seem quite clear on this. "Equipment must not have any political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images."



    Poppies are none of those, they're a mark of respect.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    FIFAs law does seem quite clear on this. "Equipment must not have any … FIFAs law does seem quite clear on this. "Equipment must not have any political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images."



    ​your starting again.
    why do you say things to cause problems.
    have you not got a life apart from baiting people on hukd ?

    shauneco

    Poppies are none of those, they're a mark of respect.



    Sorry, I personally view the act or symbol of remembrance as a very personal thing. i view it as someone making a very personal statement.

    I don't think feel people should be required to wear them. They should only wear them if it means something to them. Not trying to start an argument.
    Edited by: "HotEnglishAndWelshDeals" 11th Nov 2016

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Sorry, I personally view the act or symbol of remembrance as a very … Sorry, I personally view the act or symbol of remembrance as a very personal thing. i view it as someone making a very personal statement.



    Do you really have to troll every thread?, every subject?, Please have some respect. It's national in fact international not personal and 99.9% of the population will be even if it's not part of their own culture/religion.

    Nice edit HEAWD's
    Edited by: ".MUFC." 11th Nov 2016

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    FIFAs law does seem quite clear on this. "Equipment must not have any … FIFAs law does seem quite clear on this. "Equipment must not have any political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images."



    Perhaps they could wear symbols of brown envelopes stuffed with cash, thats more up FIFAs street.

    I actually agree with FIFA on this one *washes out mouth with bar of soap*. Just because the poppy is a symbol of resemblance to some, to others it will have different connotations. Easier to have a blanket ban.

    Sometimes the correct decision is not always the popular one.

    Splashmo

    I actually agree with FIFA on this one *washes out mouth with bar of … I actually agree with FIFA on this one *washes out mouth with bar of soap*. Just because the poppy is a symbol of resemblance to some, to others it will have different connotations. Easier to have a blanket ban.Sometimes the correct decision is not always the popular one.



    ​i don't like football for many reasons but what others connotations to some?

    I would love to know why FIFA feel the need to disallow poppies as it does not contravene any of their rules.
    ...or are they worried they might 'offend' someone (bless their little white fluffy socks)

    As a soldier I spent many a long night in the Desert, in the Balkans, and in the Artic Circle. I did this to ensure not only my Country remained free, but also all nations who believe in life and liberty could enjoy those rights. If this means you wear a poppy, so be it, if not, then fine. The poppy is nothing more than a symbol, and one which you have a choice to wear, or not. It doesn't determine your belief, or the notion you don't care for those who came before to defend you.

    This was my gift to everyone, the freedom of choice, expression, and the ability to live your life as you see fit.

    Today I celebrate Veterans day. A day to celebrate all those you have served at home or abroad. I no longer serve, but there are people out there right now making sure you have the freedoms and rights most take for granted.

    So I don't think any differently towards Wales one way or the other. Let each decide for themselves.

    [uAs a soldier I spent many a long night in the Desert, in the Balkans, and in the Artic Circle. I did this to ensure not only my Country remained free, but also all nations who believe in life and liberty could enjoy those rights. If this means you wear a poppy, so be it, if not, then fine. The poppy is nothing more than a symbol, and one which you have a choice to wear, or not. It doesn't determine your belief, or the notion you don't care for those who came before to defend you.

    This was my gift to everyone, the freedom of choice, expression, and the ability to live your life as you see fit.

    Today I celebrate Veterans day. A day to celebrate all those you have served at home or abroad. I no longer serve, but there are people out there right now making sure you have the freedoms and rights most take for granted.

    So I don't think any differently towards Wales one way or the other. Let each decide for themselves.][/u]

    Well said, as a veteran I totally agree. So the players or FA, or anyone for that matter should be allowed to make their own decision.either way without fear of reprisal or castigation.

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    Infinitesd

    As a soldier I spent many a long night in the Desert, in the Balkans, and … As a soldier I spent many a long night in the Desert, in the Balkans, and in the Artic Circle. I did this to ensure not only my Country remained free, but also all nations who believe in life and liberty could enjoy those rights. If this means you wear a poppy, so be it, if not, then fine. The poppy is nothing more than a symbol, and one which you have a choice to wear, or not. It doesn't determine your belief, or the notion you don't care for those who came before to defend you.This was my gift to everyone, the freedom of choice, expression, and the ability to live your life as you see fit.Today I celebrate Veterans day. A day to celebrate all those you have served at home or abroad. I no longer serve, but there are people out there right now making sure you have the freedoms and rights most take for granted.So I don't think any differently towards Wales one way or the other. Let each decide for themselves.



    ​The difference here is that FAW want to recognize the sacrifices made but won't wear the poppy because they risk financial penalty or a points deduction.
    They really should leave it up to the players to decide.

    FAW played a fitting tribute today - just saw it on Sky News.

    Just like I am loving FA & SFA telling FIFA where to stick it, I am also respectful if any football body chooses not to wear them.

    It doesn't really reflect badly on them - I think there is far too much media / fan / social media pressure to do things just to appease them.

    Had Eng not been playing Scotland i.e 2 Home Nations & maybe Russia instead, FA might have acted differently. Who knows.

    Gollywood

    FAW played a fitting tribute today - just saw it on Sky News.Just like I … FAW played a fitting tribute today - just saw it on Sky News.Just like I am loving FA & SFA telling FIFA where to stick it, I am also respectful if any football body chooses not to wear them.It doesn't really reflect badly on them - I think there is far too much media / fan / social media pressure to do things just to appease them.Had Eng not been playing Scotland i.e 2 Home Nations & maybe Russia instead, FA might have acted differently. Who knows.



    Thing is the poppy shouldn't offend anyone, It's to remember fallen soldiers and the sacrifices they made, ok it's only us and our allies that pay our respects today, others show their respect on other days or choose not too.

    The soldiers are/were following orders of their relative Countries, it is neutral and I fail to understand how anyone could genuinely be offended. Regardless of culture/religion/race etc...

    It's like being being offended at the night sky because it happens to be dark.

    shauneco

    Thing is the poppy shouldn't offend anyone, It's to remember fallen … Thing is the poppy shouldn't offend anyone, It's to remember fallen soldiers and the sacrifices they made, ok it's only us and our allies that pay our respects today, others show their respect on other days or choose not too.The soldiers are/were following orders of their relative Countries, it is neutral and I fail to understand how anyone could genuinely be offended. Regardless of culture/religion/race etc...It's like being being offended at the night sky because it happens to be dark.



    Is it a personal choice to wear a poppy?

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Is it a personal choice to wear a poppy?



    Nobody is forced to wear a poppy and nor should they be, It's not offensive though so don't see a problem in the case of the national teams wearing it on their shirt if they want too.

    shauneco

    Nobody is forced to wear a poppy and nor should they be, It's not … Nobody is forced to wear a poppy and nor should they be, It's not offensive though so don't see a problem in the case of the national teams wearing it on their shirt if they want too.



    It's not about offence. Rule 4 is posted up above.

    So you can't promote The Royal British Legion 2016 charity appeal but it's fine to advertise Nike on your kit.

    Fred Smith

    So you can't promote The Royal British Legion 2016 charity appeal but … So you can't promote The Royal British Legion 2016 charity appeal but it's fine to advertise Nike on your kit.



    Yes. Or adidas. Or puma. Or any other kit manufacturer.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    It's not about offence. Rule 4 is posted up above.



    I think all the players will wear the poppy with pride, they will remember even if you don't.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Yes. Or adidas. Or puma. Or any other kit manufacturer.



    What about the national team logo? is that ok or should it have an EU flag on it?.


    Edited by: ".MUFC." 11th Nov 2016

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Yes. Or adidas. Or puma. Or any other kit manufacturer.



    So a registered charity has banned the promotion of a charity appeal - Does it mention promoting charities in FIFA law?

    shauneco

    What about the national team logo? is that ok of should it have an EU … What about the national team logo? is that ok of should it have an EU flag on it?.



    I am actually amazed he has made 5 comments on one topic without not somehow linking it to Brexit in a negative way, must be a record. (Unless if course that is what he is trying to build up to).

    shauneco

    I think all the players will wear the poppy with pride, they will … I think all the players will wear the poppy with pride, they will remember even if you don't.



    This afternoon I took my kids to see their great grandfathers grave,and told them of the things he did during the war. I then explained how their great grandmother worked in the munitions factory.

    That's what remembrance means to me. Wearing a poppy is a personal choice, not something to sell tabloid newspapers now that page 3 girls aren't an option. Ok?

    Fred Smith

    So a registered charity has banned the promotion of a charity appeal - … So a registered charity has banned the promotion of a charity appeal - Does it mention promoting charities in FIFA law?



    I'm just explaining the rules to you. I choose to wear the poppy because of what it means to me personally. FIFA has a ban on personal symbols.

    I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm simply stating the facts as they are.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    This afternoon I took my kids to see their great grandfathers grave,and … This afternoon I took my kids to see their great grandfathers grave,and told them of the things he did during the war. I then explained how their great grandmother worked in the munitions factory.That's what remembrance means to me. Wearing a poppy is a personal choice, not something to sell tabloid newspapers now that page 3 girls aren't an option. Ok?



    If that's genuinely what you did this afternoon then a massive respect to your grandparents, you and your children must be very proud as I am of my grandparents.

    shauneco

    What about the national team logo? is that ok or should it have an EU … What about the national team logo? is that ok or should it have an EU flag on it?.



    Ideally a straight banana.

    shauneco

    If that's genuinely what you did this afternoon then a massive respect to … If that's genuinely what you did this afternoon then a massive respect to your grandparents, you and your children must be very proud as I am of my grandparents.



    The point is that remembrance is a personal thing. FIFA bans personal images. That makes sense until it's things like poppies which many of us have a great affinity for.

    I understand th arguments on both sides, and I understand why the rules exist. What I suspect is that when the issue is adjudicated on, the punishment will be minimal if at all.

    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    I'm just explaining the rules to you. I choose to wear the poppy because … I'm just explaining the rules to you. I choose to wear the poppy because of what it means to me personally. FIFA has a ban on personal symbols.I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm simply stating the facts as they are.



    You haven't explained any rule. So does it mention the prohibition of promoting charities in "FIFA law"?

    Fred Smith

    You haven't explained any rule. So does it mention the prohibition of … You haven't explained any rule. So does it mention the prohibition of promoting charities in "FIFA law"?



    It clearly falls under "personal images" because each player makes a choice whether to wear it or not. They aren't forced or mandated by the FA, ergo it's a personal image.

    Rule 4. Again not looking for an argument because the rule is clear.
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