Shops are shut in Italy till late March, and we are told not to panic buy?

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Posted 14th MarEdited by:"darkstryder360"
Can someone explain this to me.

Watching the news, they are somewhere in the world claiming "the shops are still open..", which insinuates it could be very soon, just like in Italy.

Advice is to stay calm, not stockpile and panic buy as they "have enough". But I haven't seen a single piece during the news, that explains how we are meant to do a food shop during a potential 2/3 week shut down.
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PhilKelix214/03/2020 08:45

Ignore the top comment, if people are going to panic buy they’re going to d …Ignore the top comment, if people are going to panic buy they’re going to do it regardless of a post on a shopping forum.Get out there and buy as much sustainable food as you can for your family. Better to be slightly immoral than to let your family go hungry.


No it is selfish, that quite simply makes everything worse. Especially for the older and more vulnerable members of society etc..
Borrowed from a thread on Reddit, quite unsettling.

From an Italian to the rest of the world: you have no idea about what's coming.

(First thing first I'm sorry for any eventual grammar errors but English isn't my first lenguage Second, this is a repost because in another sub people asked me to post it on r/Coronavirus but it doesn't accept it, so I came here as the rules advised).

As I think everybody knows, Italy is on quarantine because of the coronavirus outbreak. That means that everybody has to stay home unless you've got valid reasons to go out. This situation is bad, but what's worse is seeing the rest of the world behaving as if it isn't going to happen to them. We know what you're thinking because we were in your place too.

Let's see how thing developed (keep in mind it all happened in around 2 weeks):

STAGE 1. You know that coronavirus exists, and the first cases begin to appear in your country. Well, nothing to worry about, it's just a bad flu! I mean I'm not 75+yo so what could possibly happen to me? I'm safe, everybody is overreacting, what's the need to go out with masks and stock toilet paper? I'm going to live my life as usual, there's no need to freak out.

STAGE 2. The number of cases begins to be significant. They declare "red zone" and quarantine one or two small cities where they found the first cases and a lot of people were infected (~22/02). Well that's sad and somewhat worrisome but they're taking care of it so nothing to panic about. There are some deaths but they're all old people with other pathologies so the media is just trying to create panic for views, how shameful. People lead their life as usual, I mean I'm not going to stop going out and meeting my friends and so on am I? There's no need to. It's not going to get me. Everybody's fine here.

STAGE 3. The number of cases is rapidly going up. They almost doubled in one day. There's more deaths. They declare red zones and quarantine the 4 regions where the majority of cases are registered (7/03). In Italy at this point 1/4 of the county is under quarantine, schools and universities are closed in these areas but bars, work places, restaurants and so on are still open. The decree gets released by some newspaper before it should so around 10k people from the red zone escape from the area that same night to return to their homes in the rest of Italy (this will be important later). Most of the population of the remaing 3/4 of Italy still does what it always does, a portion of the quarantined too. They still don't realize the seriousness of the situation. I mean yes, everywhere you turn they talk about the coronavirus, they advise to wash your hands and limit your going out, assemblies of large numbers of people are forbidden and so on, every 5 minutes on TV they remind you of these rules. But it still hasn't settled in people's minds.

STAGE 4. The number of cases is heavily increasing. Schools and universities are closed everywhere for at least a month. It's a national health emergency. Hospitals are at capacity, entire units are cleared to make space for coronavirus patients. There aren't enough doctors and nurses, they're calling retired ones and those who are in the last 2 years of university, there's no shifts any more, just work as much as you can. Of course doctors and nurses are getting infected, spreading it to their families and so on. There's too many cases of pneumonia, too many people who need ICU and not enough places for everyone. The same goes for respiraty aids (I don't know if that's the correct name). At this point is like being at war: doctors have to choose who to treat based on their survival chance, that means that the elderly and trauma/stroke patients can't get treated because corona cases have the priority. There's not enough resources for everybody so they have to be distributed for the best outcome. I wish I was joking but it's literally what has been happening. People have died because there wasn't any more space, I have a doctor friend who called me devasteted because he had to let 3 people die that day, nurses crying because they see people dying in front of them and can't do anything aside from offering some oxygen. A friend's relative died yesterday of corona because they couldn't treat him. Chemios have been delayed until further notice. It's chaos, the system is collapsing. Coronavirus and the crisis it's provoking is all you hear about everywhere.

STAGE 5. Rember the 10k idiot who ran from the red zone to the rest of Italy? Well, the entire country has to be declared under quarantine (9/03). The goal is to delay the spreading of the virus as much as possible. People can go to work, do the grocery shopping, go to the farmacy, and all businesses are still open because otherwise the economy would collapse (it already is), but you can't move from your comune (which is like a municipality I guess) unless you have a valid reason. Now there's fear, you see a lot of people with masks and gloves around but there are still are people who think that they're invincible, who go to restaurants in large groups, hang out with friends to drink and so on. Next step.

STAGE 6. 2 days later, it's announced that all (most) businesses are closed: bars, restaurants, shopping centers, all kinds of shops etc. Everything except supermarkets and pharmacies. You can move around only if you have an autocertification with you, which is an official document in which you declare your name, where you're coming from, where you're going and what for. There are a lot of police check points, if you're found outside without a valid reason you risk a fine up to €206, and if you're a known positive patient you risk from 1 to 12 years of jail for homicide.

So that's what the situation is like now today as of the 12/03. Keep in mind that it all happened in around 2 weeks, 5 DAYS FROM STAGE 3 TO NOW.

The rest of the world apart from Italy, China and Korea is just now beginning to reach the other stages, so let me tell you this: you have no idea what's coming to get you. I know because 2 weeks ago I was the one who had no idea and though that it wasn't that bad. But it is. And not because the virus alone is particularly dangerous or deadly, but for all the consequences it brings. It's hard to see all these countries act like it's not coming and not taking the precautions that are necessary for the well-being of its citizens while they still can, so please if you're reading this try to act in your best interest. This problem isn't going to solve itself by ignoring it. Just wondering how many undiscovered cases there might be in America alone is scary, and they're in for a big, big trouble because of how their country is run.

Our government for once did a good job I must say. The actions taken were drastic but necessary, and this may be the only way to limit the spreading. It's working in China so we hope it will work here too (it's already working in some of the first red zones which were quarantined before everybody else). Also they're taking measures to protect us citizens such as suspending mortgage payments for next months, help for shop owners who were obligated to close and so on.

I realize that these takes are really difficult, if not impossible, to take in some countries, and it's really worrying to think about what it could mean in global scale. I see a very dark time ahead of us all over the world and it makes me so angry to see all these countries not taking action while they can. I wonder if this pandemic will be a turning point in our society, what do you think?

So guys, if there are cases where you live, then the virus is spreading, and you're maybe 1 or 2 weeks behind us, but you'll get to our point eventually. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take any precaution you can take, don't act like it's not going to get you, and, if you can, STAY HOME.

(Avete capito italiani? STATE. A. CASA.)

Edit 2: this post was written yesterday morning, A LOT happened in A LOT of countries in the meanwhile, and that's a good thing! And from what I can see more stages were suppressed because many governments are going full metal right now, as they should. So this post may not apply anymore as it did 2 days ago but I'm not editing it, also leaving it as a report of what happened here.

Edit: - YES, there's food for everybody, plenty of food, grocery shopping is not a problem at all. We can go grocery shopping, it's comprehended in the necessities.

• YES, we can take our dog for a walk, it's comprehended in the necessities. You have to follow the rules (1 mete rule, avoid crowds etc) and have the autocertification. Can I go for a walk alone? I mean, the could possibly fine me but I don't think it has happened; have your walk if you need, always respecting the rules, but it's a health emergency so it's better to avoid it if you can.



For anybody who thinks I'm a fear mongerer or exaggerating - I'm only reporting what happened, trying to inform and warn people.

Wash your hands, stay safe and if you can STAY HOME!
Bargainhead14/03/2020 13:42

No body will go hungry lol, everyone is being irrational and half the …No body will go hungry lol, everyone is being irrational and half the people who are self isolating it will all be in the head or took out of proportion.if Your default setting is fear and being irrational, like a lot of people go panic buy. It’s not a problem once everyone is stocked up. The rest can shop in piece do you think the shops will shut and lose money?they won’t...


Italy is on lockdown right now. The supermarkets are still open and people are still gaining access to food. Makes you wonder where this stupid idea is coming from that people will starve as well as die from having to wash their backside with water and a cloth.
PhilKelix215/03/2020 19:36

Aww well. You all have made up your minds, clearly. “Stay hungry, stay f …Aww well. You all have made up your minds, clearly. “Stay hungry, stay foolish”- Steve Jobs


You're very dramatic, starving babies Etc. Instead of clearing the shelves of nappies, why not buy some reusables and then you won't have to worry? Because of course you're not bothered about 'survival', you're bothered about comfort, but it's a nice foil for what you're advocating.

Kids imo will be much better off seeing their parents act in the interests of everyone, rather than seeing them storm the local tesco and growing up to be equally selfish. Just my two cents
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Duh, order online?

I'm joking of course. Clearly if shops have closed in Italy then yes, it could happen here, and yes, we would need to stock up.

Here's a free tip if you can't get toilet paper: use a towel.
Food shops and chemists are still open in italy. The lockdown is not a quarantined situation, you can still go out for walks around your neighbourhood to get fresh air and to go to the food shops. They are operating a one in one out policy in the shops and when queuing outside you have to be 3m from other people.

Of course, in italy they still have their little village shops etc so these rules work. I cant imagine one person being let into Asda over here and everyone else waiting outside until that person has finished.
Borrowed from a thread on Reddit, quite unsettling.

From an Italian to the rest of the world: you have no idea about what's coming.

(First thing first I'm sorry for any eventual grammar errors but English isn't my first lenguage Second, this is a repost because in another sub people asked me to post it on r/Coronavirus but it doesn't accept it, so I came here as the rules advised).

As I think everybody knows, Italy is on quarantine because of the coronavirus outbreak. That means that everybody has to stay home unless you've got valid reasons to go out. This situation is bad, but what's worse is seeing the rest of the world behaving as if it isn't going to happen to them. We know what you're thinking because we were in your place too.

Let's see how thing developed (keep in mind it all happened in around 2 weeks):

STAGE 1. You know that coronavirus exists, and the first cases begin to appear in your country. Well, nothing to worry about, it's just a bad flu! I mean I'm not 75+yo so what could possibly happen to me? I'm safe, everybody is overreacting, what's the need to go out with masks and stock toilet paper? I'm going to live my life as usual, there's no need to freak out.

STAGE 2. The number of cases begins to be significant. They declare "red zone" and quarantine one or two small cities where they found the first cases and a lot of people were infected (~22/02). Well that's sad and somewhat worrisome but they're taking care of it so nothing to panic about. There are some deaths but they're all old people with other pathologies so the media is just trying to create panic for views, how shameful. People lead their life as usual, I mean I'm not going to stop going out and meeting my friends and so on am I? There's no need to. It's not going to get me. Everybody's fine here.

STAGE 3. The number of cases is rapidly going up. They almost doubled in one day. There's more deaths. They declare red zones and quarantine the 4 regions where the majority of cases are registered (7/03). In Italy at this point 1/4 of the county is under quarantine, schools and universities are closed in these areas but bars, work places, restaurants and so on are still open. The decree gets released by some newspaper before it should so around 10k people from the red zone escape from the area that same night to return to their homes in the rest of Italy (this will be important later). Most of the population of the remaing 3/4 of Italy still does what it always does, a portion of the quarantined too. They still don't realize the seriousness of the situation. I mean yes, everywhere you turn they talk about the coronavirus, they advise to wash your hands and limit your going out, assemblies of large numbers of people are forbidden and so on, every 5 minutes on TV they remind you of these rules. But it still hasn't settled in people's minds.

STAGE 4. The number of cases is heavily increasing. Schools and universities are closed everywhere for at least a month. It's a national health emergency. Hospitals are at capacity, entire units are cleared to make space for coronavirus patients. There aren't enough doctors and nurses, they're calling retired ones and those who are in the last 2 years of university, there's no shifts any more, just work as much as you can. Of course doctors and nurses are getting infected, spreading it to their families and so on. There's too many cases of pneumonia, too many people who need ICU and not enough places for everyone. The same goes for respiraty aids (I don't know if that's the correct name). At this point is like being at war: doctors have to choose who to treat based on their survival chance, that means that the elderly and trauma/stroke patients can't get treated because corona cases have the priority. There's not enough resources for everybody so they have to be distributed for the best outcome. I wish I was joking but it's literally what has been happening. People have died because there wasn't any more space, I have a doctor friend who called me devasteted because he had to let 3 people die that day, nurses crying because they see people dying in front of them and can't do anything aside from offering some oxygen. A friend's relative died yesterday of corona because they couldn't treat him. Chemios have been delayed until further notice. It's chaos, the system is collapsing. Coronavirus and the crisis it's provoking is all you hear about everywhere.

STAGE 5. Rember the 10k idiot who ran from the red zone to the rest of Italy? Well, the entire country has to be declared under quarantine (9/03). The goal is to delay the spreading of the virus as much as possible. People can go to work, do the grocery shopping, go to the farmacy, and all businesses are still open because otherwise the economy would collapse (it already is), but you can't move from your comune (which is like a municipality I guess) unless you have a valid reason. Now there's fear, you see a lot of people with masks and gloves around but there are still are people who think that they're invincible, who go to restaurants in large groups, hang out with friends to drink and so on. Next step.

STAGE 6. 2 days later, it's announced that all (most) businesses are closed: bars, restaurants, shopping centers, all kinds of shops etc. Everything except supermarkets and pharmacies. You can move around only if you have an autocertification with you, which is an official document in which you declare your name, where you're coming from, where you're going and what for. There are a lot of police check points, if you're found outside without a valid reason you risk a fine up to €206, and if you're a known positive patient you risk from 1 to 12 years of jail for homicide.

So that's what the situation is like now today as of the 12/03. Keep in mind that it all happened in around 2 weeks, 5 DAYS FROM STAGE 3 TO NOW.

The rest of the world apart from Italy, China and Korea is just now beginning to reach the other stages, so let me tell you this: you have no idea what's coming to get you. I know because 2 weeks ago I was the one who had no idea and though that it wasn't that bad. But it is. And not because the virus alone is particularly dangerous or deadly, but for all the consequences it brings. It's hard to see all these countries act like it's not coming and not taking the precautions that are necessary for the well-being of its citizens while they still can, so please if you're reading this try to act in your best interest. This problem isn't going to solve itself by ignoring it. Just wondering how many undiscovered cases there might be in America alone is scary, and they're in for a big, big trouble because of how their country is run.

Our government for once did a good job I must say. The actions taken were drastic but necessary, and this may be the only way to limit the spreading. It's working in China so we hope it will work here too (it's already working in some of the first red zones which were quarantined before everybody else). Also they're taking measures to protect us citizens such as suspending mortgage payments for next months, help for shop owners who were obligated to close and so on.

I realize that these takes are really difficult, if not impossible, to take in some countries, and it's really worrying to think about what it could mean in global scale. I see a very dark time ahead of us all over the world and it makes me so angry to see all these countries not taking action while they can. I wonder if this pandemic will be a turning point in our society, what do you think?

So guys, if there are cases where you live, then the virus is spreading, and you're maybe 1 or 2 weeks behind us, but you'll get to our point eventually. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take any precaution you can take, don't act like it's not going to get you, and, if you can, STAY HOME.

(Avete capito italiani? STATE. A. CASA.)

Edit 2: this post was written yesterday morning, A LOT happened in A LOT of countries in the meanwhile, and that's a good thing! And from what I can see more stages were suppressed because many governments are going full metal right now, as they should. So this post may not apply anymore as it did 2 days ago but I'm not editing it, also leaving it as a report of what happened here.

Edit: - YES, there's food for everybody, plenty of food, grocery shopping is not a problem at all. We can go grocery shopping, it's comprehended in the necessities.

• YES, we can take our dog for a walk, it's comprehended in the necessities. You have to follow the rules (1 mete rule, avoid crowds etc) and have the autocertification. Can I go for a walk alone? I mean, the could possibly fine me but I don't think it has happened; have your walk if you need, always respecting the rules, but it's a health emergency so it's better to avoid it if you can.



For anybody who thinks I'm a fear mongerer or exaggerating - I'm only reporting what happened, trying to inform and warn people.

Wash your hands, stay safe and if you can STAY HOME!
richp14/03/2020 00:59

Borrowed from a thread on Reddit, quite unsettling. From an Italian to the …Borrowed from a thread on Reddit, quite unsettling. From an Italian to the rest of the world: you have no idea about what's coming.(First thing first I'm sorry for any eventual grammar errors but English isn't my first lenguage Second, this is a repost because in another sub people asked me to post it on r/Coronavirus but it doesn't accept it, so I came here as the rules advised). As I think everybody knows, Italy is on quarantine because of the coronavirus outbreak. That means that everybody has to stay home unless you've got valid reasons to go out. This situation is bad, but what's worse is seeing the rest of the world behaving as if it isn't going to happen to them. We know what you're thinking because we were in your place too. Let's see how thing developed (keep in mind it all happened in around 2 weeks): STAGE 1. You know that coronavirus exists, and the first cases begin to appear in your country. Well, nothing to worry about, it's just a bad flu! I mean I'm not 75+yo so what could possibly happen to me? I'm safe, everybody is overreacting, what's the need to go out with masks and stock toilet paper? I'm going to live my life as usual, there's no need to freak out. STAGE 2. The number of cases begins to be significant. They declare "red zone" and quarantine one or two small cities where they found the first cases and a lot of people were infected (~22/02). Well that's sad and somewhat worrisome but they're taking care of it so nothing to panic about. There are some deaths but they're all old people with other pathologies so the media is just trying to create panic for views, how shameful. People lead their life as usual, I mean I'm not going to stop going out and meeting my friends and so on am I? There's no need to. It's not going to get me. Everybody's fine here. STAGE 3. The number of cases is rapidly going up. They almost doubled in one day. There's more deaths. They declare red zones and quarantine the 4 regions where the majority of cases are registered (7/03). In Italy at this point 1/4 of the county is under quarantine, schools and universities are closed in these areas but bars, work places, restaurants and so on are still open. The decree gets released by some newspaper before it should so around 10k people from the red zone escape from the area that same night to return to their homes in the rest of Italy (this will be important later). Most of the population of the remaing 3/4 of Italy still does what it always does, a portion of the quarantined too. They still don't realize the seriousness of the situation. I mean yes, everywhere you turn they talk about the coronavirus, they advise to wash your hands and limit your going out, assemblies of large numbers of people are forbidden and so on, every 5 minutes on TV they remind you of these rules. But it still hasn't settled in people's minds. STAGE 4. The number of cases is heavily increasing. Schools and universities are closed everywhere for at least a month. It's a national health emergency. Hospitals are at capacity, entire units are cleared to make space for coronavirus patients. There aren't enough doctors and nurses, they're calling retired ones and those who are in the last 2 years of university, there's no shifts any more, just work as much as you can. Of course doctors and nurses are getting infected, spreading it to their families and so on. There's too many cases of pneumonia, too many people who need ICU and not enough places for everyone. The same goes for respiraty aids (I don't know if that's the correct name). At this point is like being at war: doctors have to choose who to treat based on their survival chance, that means that the elderly and trauma/stroke patients can't get treated because corona cases have the priority. There's not enough resources for everybody so they have to be distributed for the best outcome. I wish I was joking but it's literally what has been happening. People have died because there wasn't any more space, I have a doctor friend who called me devasteted because he had to let 3 people die that day, nurses crying because they see people dying in front of them and can't do anything aside from offering some oxygen. A friend's relative died yesterday of corona because they couldn't treat him. Chemios have been delayed until further notice. It's chaos, the system is collapsing. Coronavirus and the crisis it's provoking is all you hear about everywhere. STAGE 5. Rember the 10k idiot who ran from the red zone to the rest of Italy? Well, the entire country has to be declared under quarantine (9/03). The goal is to delay the spreading of the virus as much as possible. People can go to work, do the grocery shopping, go to the farmacy, and all businesses are still open because otherwise the economy would collapse (it already is), but you can't move from your comune (which is like a municipality I guess) unless you have a valid reason. Now there's fear, you see a lot of people with masks and gloves around but there are still are people who think that they're invincible, who go to restaurants in large groups, hang out with friends to drink and so on. Next step. STAGE 6. 2 days later, it's announced that all (most) businesses are closed: bars, restaurants, shopping centers, all kinds of shops etc. Everything except supermarkets and pharmacies. You can move around only if you have an autocertification with you, which is an official document in which you declare your name, where you're coming from, where you're going and what for. There are a lot of police check points, if you're found outside without a valid reason you risk a fine up to €206, and if you're a known positive patient you risk from 1 to 12 years of jail for homicide. So that's what the situation is like now today as of the 12/03. Keep in mind that it all happened in around 2 weeks, 5 DAYS FROM STAGE 3 TO NOW. The rest of the world apart from Italy, China and Korea is just now beginning to reach the other stages, so let me tell you this: you have no idea what's coming to get you. I know because 2 weeks ago I was the one who had no idea and though that it wasn't that bad. But it is. And not because the virus alone is particularly dangerous or deadly, but for all the consequences it brings. It's hard to see all these countries act like it's not coming and not taking the precautions that are necessary for the well-being of its citizens while they still can, so please if you're reading this try to act in your best interest. This problem isn't going to solve itself by ignoring it. Just wondering how many undiscovered cases there might be in America alone is scary, and they're in for a big, big trouble because of how their country is run. Our government for once did a good job I must say. The actions taken were drastic but necessary, and this may be the only way to limit the spreading. It's working in China so we hope it will work here too (it's already working in some of the first red zones which were quarantined before everybody else). Also they're taking measures to protect us citizens such as suspending mortgage payments for next months, help for shop owners who were obligated to close and so on. I realize that these takes are really difficult, if not impossible, to take in some countries, and it's really worrying to think about what it could mean in global scale. I see a very dark time ahead of us all over the world and it makes me so angry to see all these countries not taking action while they can. I wonder if this pandemic will be a turning point in our society, what do you think? So guys, if there are cases where you live, then the virus is spreading, and you're maybe 1 or 2 weeks behind us, but you'll get to our point eventually. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take any precaution you can take, don't act like it's not going to get you, and, if you can, STAY HOME. (Avete capito italiani? STATE. A. CASA.) Edit 2: this post was written yesterday morning, A LOT happened in A LOT of countries in the meanwhile, and that's a good thing! And from what I can see more stages were suppressed because many governments are going full metal right now, as they should. So this post may not apply anymore as it did 2 days ago but I'm not editing it, also leaving it as a report of what happened here. Edit: - YES, there's food for everybody, plenty of food, grocery shopping is not a problem at all. We can go grocery shopping, it's comprehended in the necessities. • YES, we can take our dog for a walk, it's comprehended in the necessities. You have to follow the rules (1 mete rule, avoid crowds etc) and have the autocertification. Can I go for a walk alone? I mean, the could possibly fine me but I don't think it has happened; have your walk if you need, always respecting the rules, but it's a health emergency so it's better to avoid it if you can. For anybody who thinks I'm a fear mongerer or exaggerating - I'm only reporting what happened, trying to inform and warn people. Wash your hands, stay safe and if you can STAY HOME!


You are just reporting what happened in Italy and wrongly stating as fact that this is what will happen to us in a week or so, it may or may not, the two countries are not the same though and neither was the outbreak.

Feb 21 - Italy 21 cases
Feb 28 - UK 20 cases

March 13 - Italy 1016 deaths
March 13 - UK 10 deaths

So we were a week behind Italy initially but that doesn't mean we are now. I think the gap has significantly widened between us since. But according to you above we still are, so therefore, for you to be correct, we'll have over a 1000 deaths in total within the next week.

Well, lets see what the total is on March 20th.
xenophon14/03/2020 02:21

You are just reporting what happened in Italy and wrongly stating as fact …You are just reporting what happened in Italy and wrongly stating as fact that this is what will happen to us in a week or so, it may or may not, the two countries are not the same though and neither was the outbreak.Feb 21 - Italy 21 casesFeb 28 - UK 20 casesMarch 13 - Italy 1016 deathsMarch 13 - UK 10 deathsSo we were a week behind Italy initially but that doesn't mean we are now. I think the gap has significantly widened between us since. But according to you above we still are, so therefore, for you to be correct, we'll have over a 1000 deaths in total within the next week.Well, lets see what the total is on March 20th.


I read it as this is what happened in Italy, from an Italian living there, and they’re literally just advising people as to how quickly procedures can change, the severity of the virus, and that we should keep that it mind as that maybe the reality for a number of countries in the coming months.
No where did it state as fact that this will happen in the UK within any time frame.
xenophon14/03/2020 02:21

You are just reporting what happened in Italy and wrongly stating as fact …You are just reporting what happened in Italy and wrongly stating as fact that this is what will happen to us in a week or so, it may or may not, the two countries are not the same though and neither was the outbreak.Feb 21 - Italy 21 casesFeb 28 - UK 20 casesMarch 13 - Italy 1016 deathsMarch 13 - UK 10 deathsSo we were a week behind Italy initially but that doesn't mean we are now. I think the gap has significantly widened between us since. But according to you above we still are, so therefore, for you to be correct, we'll have over a 1000 deaths in total within the next week.Well, lets see what the total is on March 20th.



I think it's got to the stage in the EU where the only meaningful statistics that can be analysed are deaths caused by Covid-19, and I think when we all get through this the death rate for most European nations will all be pretty similar.
MadeDixonsCry14/03/2020 00:35

Duh, order online?I'm joking of course. Clearly if shops have closed in …Duh, order online?I'm joking of course. Clearly if shops have closed in Italy then yes, it could happen here, and yes, we would need to stock up. Here's a free tip if you can't get toilet paper: use a towel.


If these weirdos continue clearing shelves of toilet roll I fully plan on using my pressure washer as a bidet!
Rusty8214/03/2020 07:52

If these weirdos continue clearing shelves of toilet roll I fully plan on …If these weirdos continue clearing shelves of toilet roll I fully plan on using my pressure washer as a bidet!


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Roll up roll up, fiver a roll
Ignore the top comment, if people are going to panic buy they’re going to do it regardless of a post on a shopping forum.

Get out there and buy as much sustainable food as you can for your family. Better to be slightly immoral than to let your family go hungry.
PhilKelix214/03/2020 08:45

Ignore the top comment, if people are going to panic buy they’re going to d …Ignore the top comment, if people are going to panic buy they’re going to do it regardless of a post on a shopping forum.Get out there and buy as much sustainable food as you can for your family. Better to be slightly immoral than to let your family go hungry.


No it is selfish, that quite simply makes everything worse. Especially for the older and more vulnerable members of society etc..
.MUFC.14/03/2020 09:50

No it is selfish, that quite simply makes everything worse. Especially for …No it is selfish, that quite simply makes everything worse. Especially for the older and more vulnerable members of society etc..


And do what in a couple weeks time though, nowhere have I seen any sort of announcement on how this will be handled.

How will they moderate supermarket shopping?

Everyone queue up for hours at a time to get some bread, milk, etc?
.MUFC.14/03/2020 09:50

No it is selfish, that quite simply makes everything worse. Especially for …No it is selfish, that quite simply makes everything worse. Especially for the older and more vulnerable members of society etc..



All I’m doing is preventing me and my family from becoming vulnerable members of society
darkstryder36014/03/2020 10:20

And do what in a couple weeks time though, nowhere have I seen any sort of …And do what in a couple weeks time though, nowhere have I seen any sort of announcement on how this will be handled. How will they moderate supermarket shopping? Everyone queue up for hours at a time to get some bread, milk, etc?


swap bin day for delivery day and have the council deliver tinned good using the same workers. they already have scheduled routes to cover every house. they just need vehicles which really isnt hard when no one else is using them due to a lockdown.

on top of that shops would be open, the delivery would just stop people going in mass
Edited by: "murtgurge" 14th Mar
PhilKelix214/03/2020 10:23

All I’m doing is preventing me and my family from becoming vulnerable m …All I’m doing is preventing me and my family from becoming vulnerable members of society


But preventing genuine more vulnerable people from doing the same. It's very selfish. Maybe if you're in the vulnerable category then fair enough but you make it very difficult for shops to resupply etc.. If people aren't selfish then there will be plenty of supplies for 14 days isolation etc.. And what about everyone else families? That's the point I'm making, It's selfish and irresponsible.
darkstryder36014/03/2020 10:20

And do what in a couple weeks time though, nowhere have I seen any sort of …And do what in a couple weeks time though, nowhere have I seen any sort of announcement on how this will be handled. How will they moderate supermarket shopping? Everyone queue up for hours at a time to get some bread, milk, etc?


Who really knows, Might get ran over by a bus etc.. Cross each bridge as necessary.
.MUFC.14/03/2020 11:03

Who really knows, Might get ran over by a bus etc.. Cross each bridge as …Who really knows, Might get ran over by a bus etc.. Cross each bridge as necessary.


But this is why people are panic buying, we don't know.

And I don't blame them.
darkstryder36014/03/2020 11:15

But this is why people are panic buying, we don't know.And I don't blame …But this is why people are panic buying, we don't know.And I don't blame them.


I do, If I have to I'll find a horder and raid there supplies.
Edited by: ".MUFC." 14th Mar
.MUFC.14/03/2020 11:01

But preventing genuine more vulnerable people from doing the same. It's …But preventing genuine more vulnerable people from doing the same. It's very selfish. Maybe if you're in the vulnerable category then fair enough but you make it very difficult for shops to resupply etc.. If people aren't selfish then there will be plenty of supplies for 14 days isolation etc.. And what about everyone else families? That's the point I'm making, It's selfish and irresponsible.



There is plenty on the shelves. Everyone else has a responsibility to themselves, nothing to do with me. If they fail to make reasonable preparations themselves then on their had be it, not mine.
.MUFC.14/03/2020 11:18

I do, If I have to I'll find a horder and raid there supplies.



Advocating theft whilst attacking making perfectly legal and reasonable precautions.

You need to take a look at your moral compass, looks like it’s on the blink again.
Edited by: "PhilKelix2" 14th Mar
PhilKelix214/03/2020 11:35

There is plenty on the shelves. Everyone else has a responsibility to …There is plenty on the shelves. Everyone else has a responsibility to themselves, nothing to do with me. If they fail to make reasonable preparations themselves then on their had be it, not mine.


I'll tell that to Ms Daisy who has spent her last pennies on her gas bill so she can keep warm. She can't afford an extra £10 to buy several bags of toilet rolls because her pension quite simply doesn't stretch that far. That's her fault though you see. Ms Daisy normally buys just enough to get buy but now she can't even do that because of selfish people are unnecessarily emptying shelves. It's her fault.
PhilKelix214/03/2020 11:37

Advocating theft whilst attacking making perfectly legal and reasonable …Advocating theft whilst attacking making perfectly legal and reasonable precautions.You need to take a look at your moral compass, looks like it’s on the blink again.


Think about it, You're depriving people, You're a target. You're basically looking out for your family. I'd be looking out for mine. Obviously it'd be the last resort but we've all got to eat.
.MUFC.14/03/2020 11:42

I'll tell that to Ms Daisy who has spent her last pennies on her gas bill …I'll tell that to Ms Daisy who has spent her last pennies on her gas bill so she can keep warm. She can't afford an extra £10 to buy several bags of toilet rolls because her pension quite simply doesn't stretch that far. That's her fault though you see. Ms Daisy normally buys just enough to get buy but now she can't even do that because of selfish people are unnecessarily emptying shelves. It's her fault.



I left the shelves with plenty on. If you know Ms Daisy, feel free to go buy her some supplies, if you don’t then you can take your hypothetical story elsewhere.
.MUFC.14/03/2020 11:47

Think about it, You're depriving people, You're a target. You're basically …Think about it, You're depriving people, You're a target. You're basically looking out for your family. I'd be looking out for mine. Obviously it'd be the last resort but we've all got to eat.



I’m not depriving anyone. I left plenty on the shelves.

Don’t come crying to me when you’re hungry in a few weeks time, I tried to warn ya.
PhilKelix214/03/2020 11:47

I left the shelves with plenty on. If you know Ms Daisy, feel free to go …I left the shelves with plenty on. If you know Ms Daisy, feel free to go buy her some supplies, if you don’t then you can take your hypothetical story elsewhere.


I don't know Ms Daisy, Merely an example. You're stocking up for an hypothetical situation when logic and rationalization should apply.
richp14/03/2020 00:59

Borrowed from a thread on Reddit, quite unsettling. From an Italian to the …Borrowed from a thread on Reddit, quite unsettling. From an Italian to the rest of the world: you have no idea about what's coming.(First thing first I'm sorry for any eventual grammar errors but English isn't my first lenguage Second, this is a repost because in another sub people asked me to post it on r/Coronavirus but it doesn't accept it, so I came here as the rules advised). As I think everybody knows, Italy is on quarantine because of the coronavirus outbreak. That means that everybody has to stay home unless you've got valid reasons to go out. This situation is bad, but what's worse is seeing the rest of the world behaving as if it isn't going to happen to them. We know what you're thinking because we were in your place too. Let's see how thing developed (keep in mind it all happened in around 2 weeks): STAGE 1. You know that coronavirus exists, and the first cases begin to appear in your country. Well, nothing to worry about, it's just a bad flu! I mean I'm not 75+yo so what could possibly happen to me? I'm safe, everybody is overreacting, what's the need to go out with masks and stock toilet paper? I'm going to live my life as usual, there's no need to freak out. STAGE 2. The number of cases begins to be significant. They declare "red zone" and quarantine one or two small cities where they found the first cases and a lot of people were infected (~22/02). Well that's sad and somewhat worrisome but they're taking care of it so nothing to panic about. There are some deaths but they're all old people with other pathologies so the media is just trying to create panic for views, how shameful. People lead their life as usual, I mean I'm not going to stop going out and meeting my friends and so on am I? There's no need to. It's not going to get me. Everybody's fine here. STAGE 3. The number of cases is rapidly going up. They almost doubled in one day. There's more deaths. They declare red zones and quarantine the 4 regions where the majority of cases are registered (7/03). In Italy at this point 1/4 of the county is under quarantine, schools and universities are closed in these areas but bars, work places, restaurants and so on are still open. The decree gets released by some newspaper before it should so around 10k people from the red zone escape from the area that same night to return to their homes in the rest of Italy (this will be important later). Most of the population of the remaing 3/4 of Italy still does what it always does, a portion of the quarantined too. They still don't realize the seriousness of the situation. I mean yes, everywhere you turn they talk about the coronavirus, they advise to wash your hands and limit your going out, assemblies of large numbers of people are forbidden and so on, every 5 minutes on TV they remind you of these rules. But it still hasn't settled in people's minds. STAGE 4. The number of cases is heavily increasing. Schools and universities are closed everywhere for at least a month. It's a national health emergency. Hospitals are at capacity, entire units are cleared to make space for coronavirus patients. There aren't enough doctors and nurses, they're calling retired ones and those who are in the last 2 years of university, there's no shifts any more, just work as much as you can. Of course doctors and nurses are getting infected, spreading it to their families and so on. There's too many cases of pneumonia, too many people who need ICU and not enough places for everyone. The same goes for respiraty aids (I don't know if that's the correct name). At this point is like being at war: doctors have to choose who to treat based on their survival chance, that means that the elderly and trauma/stroke patients can't get treated because corona cases have the priority. There's not enough resources for everybody so they have to be distributed for the best outcome. I wish I was joking but it's literally what has been happening. People have died because there wasn't any more space, I have a doctor friend who called me devasteted because he had to let 3 people die that day, nurses crying because they see people dying in front of them and can't do anything aside from offering some oxygen. A friend's relative died yesterday of corona because they couldn't treat him. Chemios have been delayed until further notice. It's chaos, the system is collapsing. Coronavirus and the crisis it's provoking is all you hear about everywhere. STAGE 5. Rember the 10k idiot who ran from the red zone to the rest of Italy? Well, the entire country has to be declared under quarantine (9/03). The goal is to delay the spreading of the virus as much as possible. People can go to work, do the grocery shopping, go to the farmacy, and all businesses are still open because otherwise the economy would collapse (it already is), but you can't move from your comune (which is like a municipality I guess) unless you have a valid reason. Now there's fear, you see a lot of people with masks and gloves around but there are still are people who think that they're invincible, who go to restaurants in large groups, hang out with friends to drink and so on. Next step. STAGE 6. 2 days later, it's announced that all (most) businesses are closed: bars, restaurants, shopping centers, all kinds of shops etc. Everything except supermarkets and pharmacies. You can move around only if you have an autocertification with you, which is an official document in which you declare your name, where you're coming from, where you're going and what for. There are a lot of police check points, if you're found outside without a valid reason you risk a fine up to €206, and if you're a known positive patient you risk from 1 to 12 years of jail for homicide. So that's what the situation is like now today as of the 12/03. Keep in mind that it all happened in around 2 weeks, 5 DAYS FROM STAGE 3 TO NOW. The rest of the world apart from Italy, China and Korea is just now beginning to reach the other stages, so let me tell you this: you have no idea what's coming to get you. I know because 2 weeks ago I was the one who had no idea and though that it wasn't that bad. But it is. And not because the virus alone is particularly dangerous or deadly, but for all the consequences it brings. It's hard to see all these countries act like it's not coming and not taking the precautions that are necessary for the well-being of its citizens while they still can, so please if you're reading this try to act in your best interest. This problem isn't going to solve itself by ignoring it. Just wondering how many undiscovered cases there might be in America alone is scary, and they're in for a big, big trouble because of how their country is run. Our government for once did a good job I must say. The actions taken were drastic but necessary, and this may be the only way to limit the spreading. It's working in China so we hope it will work here too (it's already working in some of the first red zones which were quarantined before everybody else). Also they're taking measures to protect us citizens such as suspending mortgage payments for next months, help for shop owners who were obligated to close and so on. I realize that these takes are really difficult, if not impossible, to take in some countries, and it's really worrying to think about what it could mean in global scale. I see a very dark time ahead of us all over the world and it makes me so angry to see all these countries not taking action while they can. I wonder if this pandemic will be a turning point in our society, what do you think? So guys, if there are cases where you live, then the virus is spreading, and you're maybe 1 or 2 weeks behind us, but you'll get to our point eventually. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take any precaution you can take, don't act like it's not going to get you, and, if you can, STAY HOME. (Avete capito italiani? STATE. A. CASA.) Edit 2: this post was written yesterday morning, A LOT happened in A LOT of countries in the meanwhile, and that's a good thing! And from what I can see more stages were suppressed because many governments are going full metal right now, as they should. So this post may not apply anymore as it did 2 days ago but I'm not editing it, also leaving it as a report of what happened here. Edit: - YES, there's food for everybody, plenty of food, grocery shopping is not a problem at all. We can go grocery shopping, it's comprehended in the necessities. • YES, we can take our dog for a walk, it's comprehended in the necessities. You have to follow the rules (1 mete rule, avoid crowds etc) and have the autocertification. Can I go for a walk alone? I mean, the could possibly fine me but I don't think it has happened; have your walk if you need, always respecting the rules, but it's a health emergency so it's better to avoid it if you can. For anybody who thinks I'm a fear mongerer or exaggerating - I'm only reporting what happened, trying to inform and warn people. Wash your hands, stay safe and if you can STAY HOME!


With rampant social networking, people have ideas left right and centre what novel coronavirus does.

But, the British, I am alright Jack, bug~ger everyone else. This wouldn't affect me, me, me. Of, my elderly parents, uncles, aunts , they are not me, me, me!

Mentality of the many rather than the few:-
"I am not buying more in case of their needs, me , me, buy for me only." "Why do I panic buy for them, them, them?"
Edited by: "splender" 14th Mar
PhilKelix214/03/2020 11:48

I’m not depriving anyone. I left plenty on the shelves.Don’t come crying to …I’m not depriving anyone. I left plenty on the shelves.Don’t come crying to me when you’re hungry in a few weeks time, I tried to warn ya.


I've got confidence that the government would implement some sort of ration system before there is an apocalypse. Our grandparents got through 2 world wars ffs. I'm sure we'll get through this pandemic that in most cases gives us very mild conditions etc..
PhilKelix214/03/2020 11:47

I left the shelves with plenty on. If you know Ms Daisy, feel free to go …I left the shelves with plenty on. If you know Ms Daisy, feel free to go buy her some supplies, if you don’t then you can take your hypothetical story elsewhere.


It’s not hypothetical it’s the reality for some. Not just poor little Ms Daisy, but families too.

It’s making it really difficult for those on a budget to just get on and do there usually weekly/ monthly shops.

Not everyone is in the financial position to be able to go out a shop at short notice people will be waiting for payday and won’t be able to get the things they need now.

The toilet roll shortage is due purely to panic buying, there wouldn’t be a shortage if it wasn’t for the hysteria online and in the press. People who would never have stocked up now feel forced to buy extra as everyone else is and there is becoming a shortage.
.MUFC.14/03/2020 11:49

I don't know Ms Daisy, Merely an example. You're stocking up for an …I don't know Ms Daisy, Merely an example. You're stocking up for an hypothetical situation when logic and rationalization should apply.



I have a better, real world example. I have one of the most vulnerable members of society living under my care. A 10 month old baby.

If we cannot look after ourselves we cannot look after the baby.

My child > Ms Daisy

It’s as simple as that.
.MUFC.14/03/2020 11:54

I've got confidence that the government would implement some sort of …I've got confidence that the government would implement some sort of ration system before there is an apocalypse. Our grandparents got through 2 world wars ffs. I'm sure we'll get through this pandemic that in most cases gives us very mild conditions etc..


@PhilKelix2

One item as example.

Self helped rolls = 30p each now and future.

Government rationed roll with admin cost £1.30 per roll , just saying, derived partly from "how much is it for the government to change a light bulb", or "how many civil servants you need to change a light-bulb".
myusernamehasgone23414/03/2020 12:00

It’s not hypothetical it’s the reality for some. Not just poor little Ms Da …It’s not hypothetical it’s the reality for some. Not just poor little Ms Daisy, but families too. It’s making it really difficult for those on a budget to just get on and do there usually weekly/ monthly shops. Not everyone is in the financial position to be able to go out a shop at short notice people will be waiting for payday and won’t be able to get the things they need now. The toilet roll shortage is due purely to panic buying, there wouldn’t be a shortage if it wasn’t for the hysteria online and in the press. People who would never have stocked up now feel forced to buy extra as everyone else is and there is becoming a shortage.



That is not my problem. People are going to do it anyway so I am taking reasonable precautions for me and my family.
PhilKelix214/03/2020 12:02

I have a better, real world example. I have one of the most vulnerable …I have a better, real world example. I have one of the most vulnerable members of society living under my care. A 10 month old baby.If we cannot look after ourselves we cannot look after the baby.My child > Ms Daisy It’s as simple as that.


Fortunately most children seem to be absolutely fine unless of course they have immunity problems etc.. We can all pick and choose someone who's vulnerable to try and justify our actions when the reality is that it's the old and vulnerable more at risk. If we all applied the same logic as you then all the supermarkets stock would be depleted etc.. It's irresponsible etc.. Sheep mentality and adds to the problem.
.MUFC.14/03/2020 12:11

Fortunately most children seem to be absolutely fine unless of course they …Fortunately most children seem to be absolutely fine unless of course they have immunity problems etc.. We can all pick and choose someone who's vulnerable to try and justify our actions when the reality is that it's the old and vulnerable more at risk. If we all applied the same logic as you then all the supermarkets stock would be depleted etc.. It's irresponsible etc.. Sheep mentality and adds to the problem.



Try reading that again. I’m not talking about the virus, I’m talking about food and supplies.

If we can’t look after ourselves then we cannot look after baby. He takes precedence over everything
PhilKelix214/03/2020 12:18

Try reading that again. I’m not talking about the virus, I’m talking about …Try reading that again. I’m not talking about the virus, I’m talking about food and supplies.If we can’t look after ourselves then we cannot look after baby. He takes precedence over everything


Are you in the vulnerable category? You could go out and get hit by a bus or get another illness etc.. With that logic you'd have to wrap each other in cotton wool, Stay indoors etc.. etc.. Not just during this pandemic etc
Edited by: ".MUFC." 14th Mar
.MUFC.14/03/2020 12:22

Are you in the vulnerable category? You could go out and get hit by a bus …Are you in the vulnerable category? You could go out and get hit by a bus or get another illness etc.. With that logic you'd have to wrap each other in cotton wool, Stay indoors etc.. etc.. Not just during this pandemic etc



Are you even paying attention? My 10 month old is, who we are directly responsible for.
PhilKelix214/03/2020 12:24

Are you even paying attention? My 10 month old is, who we are directly …Are you even paying attention? My 10 month old is, who we are directly responsible for.


I was going by your comment "If we cannot look after ourselves we cannot look after the baby."


If your baby has underlying medical conditions that makes him vulnerable fair enough.

However the same logic applies otherwise, Wrap yourselves up in cotton wool, never leave the house. You're no different to anyone else.

I've got dependable's, However I'm not going to be selfish.
Edited by: ".MUFC." 14th Mar
.MUFC.14/03/2020 12:29

I was going by your comment "If we cannot look after ourselves we cannot …I was going by your comment "If we cannot look after ourselves we cannot look after the baby." If your baby has underlying medical conditions that makes him vulnerable fair enough.However the same logic applies otherwise, Wrap yourselves up in cotton wool, never leave the house. You're no different to anyone else.I've got dependable's, However I'm not going to be selfish.



You literally started your argument with “what about the vulnerable who cannot feed themselves”, and as soon as I told you I am taking care of a vulnerable person all of as sudden you’re talking about virus risk by age group and other irrelevant things like never leaving the house?

What are you talking about?
Edited by: "PhilKelix2" 14th Mar
PhilKelix214/03/2020 12:33

You literally started your argument with “what about the vulnerable who c …You literally started your argument with “what about the vulnerable who cannot feed themselves”, and as soon as I told you I am taking care of a vulnerable person all of as sudden you’re talking about virus risk by age group and other irrelevant things like never leaving the house?What are you talking about?


Hate to break this to you but you made the conscious decision to bring a child in to a world that is more unstable and downright volatile than at any time since the cold war arms race, perhaps even WW2.

Granted we didn't know about Coronation Street Virus 19 months ago but all the other pandemonium be it politically, environmentally and economically was already in full flow back then.

It's absolutely every person's right to have kids of course it is but bringing children in to the world at any time carries risks. Some will agree whilst others won't but I'd argue bringing children in to this current world of the last 5 to 10 years is more risky for their futures than it has been for the best part of a century thus many will question selfish reasoning behind it.

It is what it is but as the saying goes: you pays your money and you takes your chances
SpeakEnglish14/03/2020 12:57

Hate to break this to you but you made the conscious decision to bring a …Hate to break this to you but you made the conscious decision to bring a child in to a world that is more unstable and downright volatile than at any time since the cold war arms race, perhaps even WW2.Granted we didn't know about Coronation Street Virus 19 months ago but all the other pandemonium be it politically, environmentally and economically was already in full flow back then.It's absolutely every person's right to have kids of course it is but bringing children in to the world at any time carries risks. Some will agree whilst others won't but I'd argue bringing children in to this current world of the last 5 to 10 years is more risky for their futures than it has been for the best part of a century thus many will question selfish reasoning behind it.It is what it is but as the saying goes: you pays your money and you takes your chances



Oh get lost. Are you freaking serious? Shaming me for raising a child?

Get out.
.MUFC.14/03/2020 11:42

I'll tell that to Ms Daisy who has spent her last pennies on her gas bill …I'll tell that to Ms Daisy who has spent her last pennies on her gas bill so she can keep warm. She can't afford an extra £10 to buy several bags of toilet rolls because her pension quite simply doesn't stretch that far. That's her fault though you see. Ms Daisy normally buys just enough to get buy but now she can't even do that because of selfish people are unnecessarily emptying shelves. It's her fault.


@myusernamehasgone234
"Ms Daisy" will get compassion and sharing from the likes of yourselves? Or just hot air and there is no tangible action.

We are just about to do just this in our residents' association, to assess who can help who (including vulnerables ).


myusernamehasgone23414/03/2020 12:00

It’s not hypothetical it’s the reality for some. Not just poor little Ms Da …It’s not hypothetical it’s the reality for some. Not just poor little Ms Daisy, but families too. It’s making it really difficult for those on a budget to just get on and do there usually weekly/ monthly shops. Not everyone is in the financial position to be able to go out a shop at short notice people will be waiting for payday and won’t be able to get the things they need now. The toilet roll shortage is due purely to panic buying, there wouldn’t be a shortage if it wasn’t for the hysteria online and in the press. People who would never have stocked up now feel forced to buy extra as everyone else is and there is becoming a shortage.


Re: panic buying ? Where is the panic supplying from vast warehouses of Brexit stocks, including imported EU rolls?!
Edited by: "splender" 14th Mar
splender14/03/2020 13:02

@myusernamehasgone234 "Ms Daisy" will get compassion and sharing from the …@myusernamehasgone234 "Ms Daisy" will get compassion and sharing from the likes of yourselves? Or just hot air and there is no tangible action.We are just about to do just this in our residents' association, to assess who can help who (including vulnerables - namely displacing capitalism with socialism, without going into specifics as these are banned).Re: panic buying ? Where is the panic supplying from vast warehouses of Brexit stocks, including imported EU rolls?!



@splender yes absolutely I will be continuing help others in the same manner I usually do.

But finding it harder to find items to donate to the food bank due to the shelves been depleted.
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