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    Should prisoners be able to use the internet for socialising?

    Wondered what people thought. There was an article yesterday about a youth in prison boasting on facebook about a murder he committed obviously bringing distress on the victims family. Facebook did the right thing and removed it but it got me wondering if all internet and phone use was taken away from the criminals would they reoffend once they were out. It seems their liberty isnt being taken away as it once was if they can go on public sites like facebook. As the internet is getting more and more widely used facebook, twitter etc wouldnt younger people be put off minor and major crime if they knew that if they went to prison they would have their internet social life taken away. I havent been to prison so dont know how often they can use the internet etc but i would have thought it should just be used for educational purposes.
    Only having a moan because i am middle aged and think we are too soft on everyone, i just wish there was a way we could turn all these kids round to being descent human beings.

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    **** NO

    i was reading the article about the kinsella kid and his killer was on facebook giving abuse... that **** can't be allowed.. they have given up their freedom rights when they were sentanced so why should they be allowed internet access inside? never mind phones and stuff to take photo's of them in their own cells!!!! that is just wrong ....

    They should all be deprived of every basic human right.

    Our country is too soft, you wouldnt goto Turkey with a load of drugs on you as you know you'd be in a hell hole prison for the rest of your life. over here you'd get a few years, Sky TV in your cell, internet access & a monthly trip to Alton Towers !!

    National Service? ... then we can have an unwritten policy of sending the ones who look most likely to be offenders when they get out to the most dangerous situations.

    Are you saying that by stopping Facebook access in prison it might make people think twice about murdering someone? :w00t:

    I agree that all phone/internet access should be stopped while they are inside, but I don't think it will have any bearing on crime prevention.

    Original Poster

    This is what gets me...we all think the same ideas it should be harsher so why as a country do we let the politicians get away with the soft option....

    no,far too cushy

    prisoners convicted of certain crimes also should receive 5 lashes daily to prevent reoffending imo

    If you take away everything (TV etc) then the prisoners will have nothing to do with their time, which will lead to a lot of pent up agression (read; rioting) etc. So they need something.

    But no, internet allows them to communicate freely with the outside world, so it should not be allowed...

    It is a disgrace. Prisoners have a better life in inside that most people do outside. They get games consoles, TV, internet etc. all rent free with no bills for heating/hot water.

    Original Poster

    Babbabooey;7662709

    Are you saying that by stopping Facebook access in prison it might make … Are you saying that by stopping Facebook access in prison it might make people think twice about murdering someone? :w00t:I agree that all phone/internet access should be stopped while they are inside, but I don't think it will have any bearing on crime prevention.



    Sorry no not the murder that just got me thinking i just think if it was alot harsher youths who start off doing lesser crime would probably think about it more and try not to get into trouble. Personally i would hang anyone who murdered someone with a knife.

    ChrisUK;7662675

    They should all be deprived of every basic human right.Our country is too … They should all be deprived of every basic human right.Our country is too soft, you wouldnt goto Turkey with a load of drugs on you as you know you'd be in a hell hole prison for the rest of your life. over here you'd get a few years, Sky TV in your cell, internet access & a monthly trip to Alton Towers !!



    + 1.

    Human rights has gone mad. Its a punishment not a holiday.

    I actually think the UK should bring back capital punishment - to use in such cases as pedo's, serial killers etc.

    Why should it cost us (the UK tax payer), billions every year to keep them alive ?

    jellybaby22;7662673

    I think there may be a few posting on here..........IMO prison should be … I think there may be a few posting on here..........IMO prison should be harsher...no tv...games consoles...internet...some of them have a better life than me....:lol:



    +1 It should be much harsher, one of my mates went inside & you wouldn't believe how easy they
    have it.
    No wonder so many people re-offend! In answer to the question NO!!

    civms47;7662724

    If you take away everything (TV etc) then the prisoners will have nothing … If you take away everything (TV etc) then the prisoners will have nothing to do with their time, which will lead to a lot of pent up agression (read; rioting) etc. So they need something.But no, internet allows them to communicate freely with the outside world, so it should not be allowed...



    Should have thought about that before breaking the law.

    Original Poster

    civms47;7662724

    If you take away everything (TV etc) then the prisoners will have nothing … If you take away everything (TV etc) then the prisoners will have nothing to do with their time, which will lead to a lot of pent up agression (read; rioting) etc. So they need something.But no, internet allows them to communicate freely with the outside world, so it should not be allowed...



    Get them doing some hard graft like american jails seem to do but if not i would have them marching round all day and they would get water and porridge.

    ChrisUK;7662745

    I actually think the UK should bring back capital punishment - to use in … I actually think the UK should bring back capital punishment - to use in such cases as pedo's, serial killers etc.Why should it cost us (the UK tax payer), billions every year to keep them alive ?



    +1.

    There never going to change as it's not something they will be able to change. Not always the case, but they can be sorted later.

    If you take away my internet, I'd only have sky HD, snooker, the sauna,prostitutes and drugs.

    in b4 usual wet,guardian reading liberals

    Should only be allowed bread, water and sufficient air to survive. :thinking:

    civms47;7662724

    If you take away everything (TV etc) then the prisoners will have nothing … If you take away everything (TV etc) then the prisoners will have nothing to do with their time, which will lead to a lot of pent up agression (read; rioting) etc. So they need something.But no, internet allows them to communicate freely with the outside world, so it should not be allowed...



    I bet they wont want a second spell in prison though :thumbsup:

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    civms47;7662724

    If you take away everything (TV etc) then the prisoners will have nothing … If you take away everything (TV etc) then the prisoners will have nothing to do with their time, which will lead to a lot of pent up agression (read; rioting) etc. So they need something.But no, internet allows them to communicate freely with the outside world, so it should not be allowed...



    That's a reasonable post, amongst the fantasists.

    Take prison food for instance - it's actually quite good, but not because of 'human rights'.

    It's to prevent trouble inside which can quite often start because of 'minor' things.

    Prison isn't just about punishment - it's about rehabilitation and preparing people for life outside prison so they don't reoffend.

    OP - it's hard to give a yes or no to every classification of prisoner.

    I read that as 'should pensioners be able'.........re-read it loads of times b4 I finally got it :oops:

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    ChrisUK;7662745

    I actually think the UK should bring back capital punishment -



    You mean you read in The Sun:thumbsup:

    FilthAndFurry;7662870

    You mean you read in The Sun:thumbsup:


    i lold

    Original Poster

    Are we rehabilitating them though if we are letting them use prison as a social club.
    It may be old fashioned but a harsh regime like boot camp might just give some of the kids a sense pride.
    I do appreciate that some kids come from awful backgrounds but they cant get away with using that as an excuse. If they knew each time they went back to jail the jail would be tougher maybe they would change their lifestyle. Some will come from awful backgrounds and a cell with mates and good food may be better than they have had outside.

    The zeal with which the lynch mob mentality surfaces in these sorts of discussions is astounding.

    It is clearly wrong for criminals to have access to Facebook whilst in prison. That is an absolute no brainer. Any internet access that they do have should of course be severely restricted. But whether or not they should have internet access at all is another matter entirely, and is not as straightforward as many seem to think it is.

    Punishment is not the aim of prison. It is one aim, of many. Other aims include deterrent and protection of the public, the latter of which at least is mostly successful, as irrespective of the 'perks' that the criminals enjoy they still cannot mingle with the public. Clearly restricting internet access forwards that aim as well.

    But another incredibly important, but unfortunately overwhelmingly overlooked, aim of prison is to rehabilitate these people. Re offending rates are high, and have been for a long time. Society itself would benefit most from people going to prison if it could be guaranteed that they will not reoffend when they come out, yet this is an aspect that the general public just tends to ignore.

    Turning prison into a hellhole as many have suggested in this thread does not rehabilitate, and in fact puts you into a position where you turn petty criminals who crossed the imprisonment line into much more dangerous individuals. That helps no one; not the criminal, and not the public. Prison is rarely a deterrent for criminals for the same reason that the death penalty is not a deterrent; people do not commit crimes intending to get caught. The way you prevent crimes is changing the mentality of individuals, which is far more effective than threats.

    The barbaric lynch mob attitude may feel good when you're typing it on an internet forum, but in real life it doesn't work. As is often the case a balance is needed. Prisoners should not be accessing Facebook and should not be living a life of luxury, but if you treat them like animals you will release them as animals, free to commit far worse crimes than they were originally imprisoned for. Prison is inherently a punishment due to the fact that it takes away a person's freedom, and those who try to downplay that aspect as not important are incredibly naive. Prisons are not nice places, and whilst the line may be crossed on occasion in relation to what prisoners are allowed to do, painting them as places of luxury is wrong.

    The focus needs to be on punishing the individual whilst also providing for their eventual rehabilitation. And whilst the people making the decisions may not always make the right ones, the over zealous public attitude towards criminals is way off the mark practically as well.

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    Goofeys Girl;7662950

    Are we rehabilitating them though if we are letting them use prison as a … Are we rehabilitating them though if we are letting them use prison as a social club. It may be old fashioned but a harsh regime like boot camp might just give some of the kids a sense pride.I do appreciate that some kids come from awful backgrounds but they cant get away with using that as an excuse. If they knew each time they went back to jail the jail would be tougher maybe they would change their lifestyle. Some will come from awful backgrounds and a cell with mates and good food may be better than they have had outside.



    I do sometimes wish, like others do, that we had the death sentence like they do in some states in America.

    That way there would be no gangs.

    Let them have the choice...

    Prison for a minimum 10 years no probation for whatever the charge or serve in frontline Afghanistan - i know a few people personally that should still be here with us rather than the scum of the earth who like to play with guns on our streets... lets see how long they last in the 'real world'

    Sorry but prison doesn't work the legal system in this country is a joke.

    The group mentioned in Chris's post will never change, and that's a fact. Some of whats been said is common sense, but to say its not a punishment is ridiculous. They should have all there rights stripped, someone who rapes and murders someone should be allowed to watch TV you are laughing right, they should be put in a cold cell with nothing but there thoughts. Sorry if that's harsh but they lost there rights when they took someone elses life.

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    Adam2050;7663006

    Sorry but prison doesn't work



    Silly opening statement.

    FilthAndFurry;7663028

    Silly opening statement.



    Filth not really bothered about your opinnion if your going to troll me everytime for what you feel is silly statements can you do it in your head. As it's pointless crap. Just thought I'd let you know.

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    Adam2050;7663051

    Filth not really bothered about your opinnion if your going to troll me … Filth not really bothered about your opinnion if your going to troll me everytime for what you feel is silly statements can you do it in your head. As it's pointless crap. Just thought I'd let you know.



    No problem.

    But prison does work on a number of different levels, to different extents. It depends on what you define as 'working'.

    Hope that helps with your future attempts:thumbsup:

    FilthAndFurry;7663075

    No problem.But prison does work on a number of different levels, to … No problem.But prison does work on a number of different levels, to different extents. It depends on what you define as 'working'.Hope that helps with your future attempts:thumbsup:



    Working is a wide statement, so your assumption are wrong. Is there any day where you spend your time actually joining in or do you love talking rubbish and sitting on a fence?

    Crazy Jamie;7662971

    Turning prison into a hellhole as many have suggested in this thread does … Turning prison into a hellhole as many have suggested in this thread does not rehabilitate, and in fact puts you into a position where you turn petty criminals who crossed the imprisonment line into much more dangerous individuals. That helps no one; not the criminal, and not the public. Prison is rarely a deterrent for criminals for the same reason that the death penalty is not a deterrent; people do not commit crimes intending to get caught. The way you prevent crimes is changing the mentality of individuals, which is far more effective than threats..



    No ones saying we should turn prison into a hell hole but the perks they get is insane & an insult to the victims & the victims families.
    As you said rehabilitation isn't working as so many people are re-offending so maybe we should make prison what its supposed to be which is a punishment!
    I cant help wondering if all the do gooders would be so keen to support prisoners cushy lifestyle if it was a close friend or relative of there's that had been raped or murdered because they had re-offended in an attempt to get back to the holiday camp for a bash on the ps3 & some chocolate buttons?

    The prisons in this country are over populated, any guess on why?
    When life for them is far more comfortable in prison than out, its no wonder. People who have commited serious crimes should have no communication with the outside world at all.

    Adam2050;7663051

    Filth not really bothered about your opinnion if your going to troll me … Filth not really bothered about your opinnion if your going to troll me everytime for what you feel is silly statements can you do it in your head. As it's pointless crap. Just thought I'd let you know.



    he does this with everyone don't take it personally Adam

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    Adam2050;7663081

    Working is a wide statement, so your assumption are wrong. Is there any … Working is a wide statement, so your assumption are wrong. Is there any day where you spend your time actually joining in or do you love talking rubbish and sitting on a fence?



    Which is why saying it doesn't work was such a silly statement.:roll:

    shedboy66;7663113

    he does this with everyone don't take it personally Adam



    I know he does, he finds it funny most other forums would of banned him for trolling by now. :thumbsup:

    Adam2050;7663130

    I know he does, he finds it funny most other forums would of banned him … I know he does, he finds it funny most other forums would of banned him for trolling by now. :thumbsup:



    yeah i know i really wish there was an ignore button on hotukdeals :thumbsup:

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    stgeorge;7663095

    No ones saying we should turn prison into a hell hole but the perks they … No ones saying we should turn prison into a hell hole but the perks they get is insane & an insult to the victims & the victims families.As you said rehabilitation isn't working as so many people are re-offending so maybe we should make prison what its supposed to be which is a punishment! I cant help wondering if all the do gooders would be so keen to support prisoners cushy lifestyle if it was a close friend or relative of there's that had been raped or murdered because they had re-offended in an attempt to get back to the holiday camp for a bash on the ps3 & some chocolate buttons?



    'Do-gooders' from the Latin 'doous goodus' which means 'to do good'.

    Who wouldn't want to do good?

    Regardless, everyone wants prison to do what it's meant to - punish people, rehabilitate people and stop people reoffending.

    shedboy66;7663140

    yeah i know i really wish there was an ignore button on hotukdeals … yeah i know i really wish there was an ignore button on hotukdeals :thumbsup:



    Yep a proper one.:)
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