Should the TV Licence Tax be scrapped/scaled back? *Discuss*

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Found 3rd Jan 2009
I personally think that the TV licence should be scaled back. I currently pay sky £20 a month and I feel that I get an exponentially larger amount of value from that than I do from the £150 I pay for the BBC. I understand that not all the money goes to the BBC but the vast majority does, I also know that some of it is used for vital information services which we all use.

I know some people are happy with paying that amount but I do not see why others should also have to pay it for something which they do not fell is worth the money. I do use some BBC services but if I had the option of not having them and saving £150 a year I would do that.

A fairer system would be where everyone with a TV pays a minimum amount(e.g. £20 a year) to pay for important services, e.g. public awareness broadcasts etc. as we all use these services; meanwhile, the rest of the people who want to access the rest of the services the TV licence pays for can pay the full amount(e.g. BBC channels, iplayer etc.). Anyone who does not pay the full amount does not get access to this. To enforce this just scramble all the BBC channels once the digital switchover is complete and force all people who want to get it to use a set top box with a card and do the same with all the other services, restrict them to those paying the full tax.

What do you think?

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do you know that if you only watch "recorded" tv, there is no requirement to have a licence?

Sky plus's pause button is great, as once paused even for a few seconds, once played you're not watching live tv anymore, same as recorded tv.

karenhornby;7412381

do you know that if you only watch "recorded" tv, there is no requirement … do you know that if you only watch "recorded" tv, there is no requirement to have a licence?Sky plus's pause button is great, as once paused even for a few seconds, once played you're not watching live tv anymore, same as recorded tv.



that is true but there is no way you can prove that your not watching normal telly. I need the licence for watching formula one, but it is a huge rip off.

For me, there is a whole lot more worth watching on the beeb, alongside their other channels. In terms of quality, it represents good value.

karenhornby;7412381

do you know that if you only watch "recorded" tv, there is no requirement … do you know that if you only watch "recorded" tv, there is no requirement to have a licence?Sky plus's pause button is great, as once paused even for a few seconds, once played you're not watching live tv anymore, same as recorded tv.



Not strictly correct. If you have the capability of watching live TV, you must have a license.

Nice try though :thumbsup:

We very very rarely watch anything on the BBC so yep scrap it imo

I dont mind paying for something if i'm going to actually get value for money, but these days i dont think you get VFM.Its the same old tripe churned out from one year to the next most of which are repeats.

Get rid of it IMO. I occasionally put the news on a night, don't even reach an hours worth a week or even a month sometimes. Due to me having TV forced on me by Virgin (somehow removing the freeview Tv package will increase my costs) I have to pay the Tv tax.

Don't watch anything online with the BBc or 4oD etc. If I want something I rent at Blockbuster, buy or borrow. Even if I disconect the Virgin box I will have to continue paying as I " have the equipment to watch". Owning a PC,TV/Freeview box is the same as intent with them so no matter what they get money.

karenhornby;7412381

do you know that if you only watch "recorded" tv, there is no requirement … do you know that if you only watch "recorded" tv, there is no requirement to have a licence?Sky plus's pause button is great, as once paused even for a few seconds, once played you're not watching live tv anymore, same as recorded tv.



if u have a tv what ever u do with it you have to pay

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Keep it, but it probably needs reducing.

BBC needs to make more intelligent tv and scrap the reality stuff.

Leave ITV for the idiots and stop pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Tv licencing also pays for radio doesn't it?

BBC make a truck load of quality programming and radio. I do think the fee should be scaled back though.

Jeezeypeeps;7412463

Not strictly correct. If you have the capability of watching live TV, you … Not strictly correct. If you have the capability of watching live TV, you must have a license.Nice try though :thumbsup:



Carley;7412483

I always thought that everyone who has a TV / Equipment capable of … I always thought that everyone who has a TV / Equipment capable of receiving bbc signals needs a license?



You only need a TV license if you want to watch or record (which is the bit the sky + does) live TV.

They like to keep alive the myth that you need a license if you have anything capable of watching/recording, but in reality, you only need one if you actually USE it.

Licence fee pays for the BBC News services doesn't it?
I'd say that is worth it alone.

For me certain programmes (Life & Planet Earth especially spring to mind) are ground breaking and represent quality BBC output. They also take a chance on new comedy (The Office, Gavin & Stacey etc)
I also think their Radio programmes are good most of the time.

Would we get all that from a commercial revenue based channel? Possibly, but I'd say ITV pumps out more drivel than the BBC and so that may be a good indicator

Just my opinion thou

I agree with the OP. Encrypt it and scrap the licence. Bet the BBC wouldn't last long. I know I wouldn't pay for it.

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yes scrap it

it shouldnt be forced upon us

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It isn't forced on anyone. You don't want to pay it you donthave to.

It needs reducing a bit and they need to re-evaluate the content but it is very much needed to stop all channels from resembling itv.

peodude;7412612

You only need a TV license if you want to watch or record (which is the … You only need a TV license if you want to watch or record (which is the bit the sky + does) live TV.They like to keep alive the myth that you need a license if you have anything capable of watching/recording, but in reality, you only need one if you actually USE it.



True, I remember having a massive argument with my 18 year old flatmate(now ex flatmate) a few months ago as I left my CRT in the living room but just used it as a monitor or for gaming and one day a "final reminder" popped into the post and she claimed she rang Tv licensing and they told her you need one to own a tv and the funniest part was she told me we would be the only house on the entire street(of over 100 houses inc a few student ones) that wouldnt have one and all students get one.

I remember the argument got so heated she got another flatmate who had a crush on her back her up despite him not being from the uk and just taking her word for it.

How she expected me to lift a 50Kg upstairs on my own is beyond me and even if I got help it would be almost impossible to get upstairs due to its shape(would mean bending and putting it down, lifting etc every step)

Banned

Personally I think its great value. Probably should be more and I'd be happy to pay it if it went up.

guv;7413017

Personally I think its great value. Probably should be more and I'd be … Personally I think its great value. Probably should be more and I'd be happy to pay it if it went up.



You are well off though and it would be a nightmare for people on low incomes especially benefits.

ryouga;7413029

You are well off though and it would be a nightmare for people on low … You are well off though and it would be a nightmare for people on low incomes especially benefits.



Yet they manage to buy a TV in the first place?

Shengis;7413046

Yet they manage to buy a TV in the first place?



You can get tvs for nothing these days, or on credit that people cant afford to pay back.

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ryouga;7413029

You are well off though and it would be a nightmare for people on low … You are well off though and it would be a nightmare for people on low incomes especially benefits.



C'est la vie

ryouga;7413055

You can get tvs for nothing these days, or on credit that people cant … You can get tvs for nothing these days, or on credit that people cant afford to pay back.



You can get a TV licence on credit too.... :lol:

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ryouga;7413029

You are well off though and it would be a nightmare for people on low … You are well off though and it would be a nightmare for people on low incomes especially benefits.



But that's hardly my fault is it!

I'm just saying the BBC is worth every penny.

BTW - anyone know if you need a license for TVs in cars? (Obviously I dont watch it in the car at home where I have a license!)

Banned

karenhornby;7412381

do you know that if you only watch "recorded" tv, there is no requirement … do you know that if you only watch "recorded" tv, there is no requirement to have a licence?Sky plus's pause button is great, as once paused even for a few seconds, once played you're not watching live tv anymore, same as recorded tv.



how do you record it in the first place without it being on:thinking:

i think its terrific value for money the license fee......all the stuff the bbc does outside of tv is also fantastic for music and sport lovers alike

guv;7413066

But that's hardly my fault is it!I'm just saying the BBC is worth every … But that's hardly my fault is it!I'm just saying the BBC is worth every penny.



Dont take this the wrong way but it feels like you are saying "screw the poor people"

Nothing in the world is really worth every penny, the only BBC show I watch is Doctor Who, things on BBC3 like American Dad I can get on Sky.

I have seen Gavin And Stacey about twice though.

Thats more than paying to go to the cinema like £10 each time I want to watch the same episode over and over.

I havent watched BBC4 in years probably something like 7 years.

I wish there was some form of encryption as then it would mean I could watch ITV or sky or Virgin without worrying about the evil Tv License people snooping around and treating me as if I am some major criminal.

Worth the money although the BBC need to ease off on all the Arts & Culture type programmes as a only a very very small minority watch these....use the money to make more popular shows and cut down on repeats

guv;7413066

BTW - anyone know if you need a license for TVs in cars? (Obviously I … BTW - anyone know if you need a license for TVs in cars? (Obviously I dont watch it in the car at home where I have a license!)



I can't remember the exact requirements for this but I think you're covered for battery powered TV tuning devices if you have a license for your main property - this may have changed recently, it's a while since I've looked at it.

John

Johnmcl7;7413128

I can't remember the exact requirements for this but I think you're … I can't remember the exact requirements for this but I think you're covered for battery powered TV tuning devices if you have a license for your main property - this may have changed recently, it's a while since I've looked at it.John



Yes its confusing, as you dont need a license say to use a tv card on a laptop as long as its not plugged into the mains so basically as long as the battery is charged you are fine, same thing goes for portable tvs.

Though I assume its as you say covered by main property as I think caravans are too.

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ryouga;7413114

Dont take this the wrong way but it feels like you are saying "screw the … Dont take this the wrong way but it feels like you are saying "screw the poor people" Nothing in the world is really worth every penny, the only BBC show I watch is Doctor Who, things on BBC3 like American Dad I can get on Sky.I have seen Gavin And Stacey about twice though.Thats more than paying to go to the cinema like £10 each time I want to watch the same episode over and over.I havent watched BBC4 in years probably something like 7 years.I wish there was some form of encryption as then it would mean I could watch ITV or sky or Virgin without worrying about the evil Tv License people snooping around and treating me as if I am some major criminal.



But the BBC is one of the few places where a lot of content would be produced.

They make a lot of intelligent programming that is important, but probably wouldn't get commissioned at a commercial station.

That is a good thing - the BBC needs to fight the 'dumbing down' and make more thoughtful shows.

The best example they could follow is that of HBO.

I wouldn't mind if they scrapped the fees and had averts instead. I don't really watch BBC at all but do appreciate programmes such as Planet Earth and Life.

I read before that if you go to stay in a caravan and watch TV there, if someone at home is also watching a TV then you need to buy an extra license :w00t:

BTW - anyone know if you need a license for TVs in cars? (Obviously I … BTW - anyone know if you need a license for TVs in cars? (Obviously I dont watch it in the car at home where I have a license!)

FilthAndFurry;7413162

But the BBC is one of the few places where a lot of content would be … But the BBC is one of the few places where a lot of content would be produced.They make a lot of intelligent programming that is important, but probably wouldn't get commissioned at a commercial station.That is a good thing - the BBC needs to fight the 'dumbing down' and make more thoughtful shows.The best example they could follow is that of HBO.



They also make a lot of tripe or reality shows though not as many as other stations that earn them quite a bit and means they dont have to pay for loads of cast members and sets etc.

Id rather there be 2 or 3 good BBC channels rather than 4(or 6 if you count the kids) mediocre ones.

I doubt I'd bother with TV much at all if it wasn't for the BBC. Probably 90% + of what I watch is from them (usually via iPlayer) and it's mostly the factual, nature, news and occasional drama programmes. TBH, I'd say its one of the great things about this country, go to the US or Europe and the ad interrupted drivel there makes me glad with what we have. Looking at ITV, etc. it astounds me that they get any viewers most of the time since they seem to be following the same pattern.

Oh and the factual, news and comedy radio output is also great.

Would it be fairer if it went subscription only? Maybe, but I don't think the model will work because part of the reason the BBC are great is that they have enough scale to do grand nature series like Planet Earth and Life and can actually have news correspondents in countries where the news is rather than just buying it from AP , etc.

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ryouga;7413114

Dont take this the wrong way but it feels like you are saying "screw the … Dont take this the wrong way but it feels like you are saying "screw the poor people" Nothing in the world is really worth every penny, the only BBC show I watch is Doctor Who, things on BBC3 like American Dad I can get on Sky.I have seen Gavin And Stacey about twice though.Thats more than paying to go to the cinema like £10 each time I want to watch the same episode over and over.I havent watched BBC4 in years probably something like 7 years.I wish there was some form of encryption as then it would mean I could watch ITV or sky or Virgin without worrying about the evil Tv License people snooping around and treating me as if I am some major criminal.



Then get yourself a satellite dish, a Linux receiver, cancel your sky subscription and be a real criminal! :w00t: (But pay for your TV license with the savings)

Johnmcl7;7413128

I can't remember the exact requirements for this but I think you're … I can't remember the exact requirements for this but I think you're covered for battery powered TV tuning devices if you have a license for your main property - this may have changed recently, it's a while since I've looked at it.



LOL... it would be a long cable if it were mains powered!!

lordmedikit;7413208

Would it be fairer if it went subscription only? Maybe, but I don't think … Would it be fairer if it went subscription only? Maybe, but I don't think the model will work because part of the reason the BBC are great is that they have enough scale to do grand nature series like Planet Earth and Life and can actually have news correspondents in countries where the news is rather than just buying it from AP , etc.



What you mean is they wouldn't get enough money if they gave up their mafia like ways. Yes?

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Shengis;7413242

What you mean is they wouldn't get enough money if they gave up their … What you mean is they wouldn't get enough money if they gave up their mafia like ways. Yes?



'Mafia-like ways'.

Hysterical.

TV is overrated and hopefully the B.B.C employees can find other jobs.

FilthAndFurry;7413255

'Mafia-like ways'.Hysterical.



I knew that would be on your humour level

its things like ]this that makes the tv licence so bloody expensive :x or do you think its a good way to spend our licence fee money ?

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richp;7413521

its things like ]this that makes the tv licence so bloody expensive :x … its things like ]this that makes the tv licence so bloody expensive :x or do you think its a good way to spend our licence fee money ?



I'm sure that's not the whole story if it's the Mail.

The only thing I watch is Top Gear, I don't use the internet and I don't use their farcical news network.

I spend over 1k a year on Sky. The public should have the option of yes or no.
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