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    Sign the petition against mandelson ( The end of the internet as we know it )

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    "The British government has brought down its long-awaited Digital Economy Bill, and it's perfectly useless and terrible. It consists almost entirely of penalties for people who do things that upset the entertainment industry (including the "three-strikes" rule that allows your entire family to be cut off from the net if anyone who lives in your house is accused of copyright infringement, without proof or evidence or trial), as well as a plan to beat the hell out of the video-game industry with a new, even dumber rating system (why is it acceptable for the government to declare that some forms of artwork have to be mandatorily labelled as to their suitability for kids? And why is it only some media? Why not paintings? Why not novels? Why not modern dance or ballet or opera?)." Sign sign sign !

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    Could I also possibly sign a petition against his existence by any chance?

    That's a cause which I feel quite strongly about.

    Isn't this giving the Government a list of people who most likely share files illegally?

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    Painkiller;6986441

    Isn't this giving the Government a list of people who most likely share … Isn't this giving the Government a list of people who most likely share files illegally?



    Not really, as i rarely download pirate stuff but I think the rules that you don't have to be proven to be pirating software to get cut off seems ridiculous. It will never pass anyway

    these petitions dont even do nothing.

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    rodent;6986490

    these petitions dont even do nothing.



    All the more reason to sign them then.

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    guv;6986511

    All the more reason to sign them then.



    black gerbil1;6986490

    these petitions dont even do nothing.




    Excatly, if they don't do nothing, they do something then :thumbsup:

    black gerbil1;6986490

    these petitions dont even do nothing.



    ryman1000;6986573

    Excatly, if they don't do nothing, they do something then :thumbsup:



    Lol @ double negative

    Already signed it, for what good it will do.

    The chances of this law being approved by the EU are pretty much non-existant anyway.

    Spark;6986828

    The chances of this law being approved by the EU are pretty much … The chances of this law being approved by the EU are pretty much non-existant anyway.



    Given some of the laws the french have passed recently along similar lines I wouldn't bet on it.

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    Spark;6986828

    The chances of this law being approved by the EU are pretty much … The chances of this law being approved by the EU are pretty much non-existant anyway.



    exactly, the chances of it getting past the human rights issues are practically zero anyway - ie the right to a fair trial, presumption of innocence etc.

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    megalomaniac;6986963

    Given some of the laws the french have passed recently along similar … Given some of the laws the french have passed recently along similar lines I wouldn't bet on it.



    which ones?

    For people who don't know the subject area, surely it would be best to edit the OP.

    Bit confused by members again, agains't piracy but not copyright theft.

    That's slightly different in nature though and is more like the US policy whereas this is more along the lines of North Korean policy.

    Spark;6987730

    That's slightly different in nature though and is more like the US policy … That's slightly different in nature though and is more like the US policy whereas this is more along the lines of North Korean policy.



    Still sets a precedent of doing this kind of thing with little or no due process.

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    The french law doesn't seem to allow someone unelected to change the law and penalties as he/she seems fit without any consultation or having to go through parliment, which is also a pretty major thing.

    colinsunderland;6988125

    The french law doesn't seem to allow someone unelected to change the law … The french law doesn't seem to allow someone unelected to change the law and penalties as he/she seems fit without any consultation or having to go through parliment, which is also a pretty major thing.



    Indeed, that's the most worrying part about in imho. Not only can they find you guilty without due process, Mandelson can make the penalty pretty much whatever he likes.

    megalomaniac;6986963

    Given some of the laws the french have passed recently along similar … Given some of the laws the french have passed recently along similar lines I wouldn't bet on it.



    +1 which is why I know this will happen with or without mandelson, it is so difficult for the numpties on here to understand that the days of 'free for all Internet access' will be over in the future. It will all be monitored with FW and stealth network sniffing technology.

    Alfonse;6988256

    +1 which is why I know this will happen with or without mandelson, it is … +1 which is why I know this will happen with or without mandelson, it is so difficult for the numpties on here to understand that the days of 'free for all Internet access' will be over in the future. It will all be monitored with FW and stealth network sniffing technology.



    DPI (Deep Packet Inspection) can f'off too, I'm looking at you BT/Phorm.

    black gerbil1;6986490

    these petitions dont even do nothing.



    :w00t:
    UR 6?

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    Alfonse;6988256

    +1 which is why I know this will happen with or without mandelson, it is … +1 which is why I know this will happen with or without mandelson, it is so difficult for the numpties on here to understand that the days of 'free for all Internet access' will be over in the future. It will all be monitored with FW and stealth network sniffing technology.



    Forgetting about the subject matter, do you think that it's ok for someone who hasn't been elected be allowed to change laws willy nilly just because he wants to?

    Instead of calling people names who don't agree with you why not put forward some reasoned arguments as to why it should be implemented in it's current form if you agree with it.

    Supermod

    If you dont want your internet cut off then do not steal.

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    colinsunderland;6990796

    Forgetting about the subject matter, do you think that it's ok for … Forgetting about the subject matter, do you think that it's ok for someone who hasn't been elected be allowed to change laws willy nilly just because he wants to?Instead of calling people names who don't agree with you why not put forward some reasoned arguments as to why it should be implemented in it's current form if you agree with it.



    Does the opening post do the same? Then why should anyone else?

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    FilthAndFurry;6990822

    Does the opening post do the same? Then why should anyone else?



    Where in the OP does it start calling people names if they don't agree with the view he has put over?

    signed

    colinsunderland;6990796

    Forgetting about the subject matter, do you think that it's ok for … Forgetting about the subject matter, do you think that it's ok for someone who hasn't been elected be allowed to change laws willy nilly just because he wants to?Instead of calling people names who don't agree with you why not put forward some reasoned arguments as to why it should be implemented in it's current form if you agree with it.



    :roll:

    I think its a fairly forgone conclusion that the Internet being the last bastion of 'unpoliced' services was due this kind of shake up and whatever the first implementation is, it will likely be a mess. However it will become better with the use of high level network technology available out there to show the activity of any Internet usage direct from the client device. Its not about being the end of the Internet but the Government doing their job in safe guarding business and the public, ultimately it can also be used to stop virus's spreading within the UK, stopping child pornography rings operating, spam, etc, etc, etc

    I also hold the opinion that online surveys usually don't have much effect, especially when they are petitioning the government. However, you can send Mandy a message and register to support, help, advertise etc. for a group fighting against things like this at openrightsgroup.org/ . You can also contact your local MP with regards to this specific bill at writetothem.com/ which is what I've done.

    i signed the petition but my number has not appeared on the list.

    IceRaptor;6999141

    i signed the petition but my number has not appeared on the list.



    They are probably gathering your ISP details for further investigation.:)

    magicjay1986;6990821

    If you dont want your internet cut off then do not steal.



    First they came for the filesharers, and I did not speak out--
    because I was not a filesharer;



    This is a slippery soap. This is setting a president for allowing an UNELECTED OFFICIAL from making up laws and punishments whenever he likes.

    People should be more worried about the amount of money that will be spent to enforce these laws. Looks like a big black hole to me.

    If ISP's refuse to do this (some will) then the whole plan fails and the government will have to spend (I guess) a lot of money on trying to some how force the ISP to do it.

    TehSheep;6999415

    First they came for the filesharers, and I did not speak out--because I … First they came for the filesharers, and I did not speak out--because I was not a filesharer;This is a slippery soap. This is setting a president for allowing an UNELECTED OFFICIAL from making up laws and punishments whenever he likes.



    Silly question, I may being stupid but doesn't this bill needs to be voted on by the house of commons? Who are elected officials to pass laws not the vampire who can not vote in the house of commons and only come up proposed bills?

    TehSheep;6999415

    First they came for the filesharers, and I did not speak out--because I … First they came for the filesharers, and I did not speak out--because I was not a filesharer;This is a slippery soap. This is setting a president for allowing an UNELECTED OFFICIAL from making up laws and punishments whenever he likes.



    +1 But don't expect the folks speaking out in favor of this to get the reference, reading isn't their strong point :thumbsup:

    dananana;6999555

    Silly question, I may being stupid but doesn't this bill needs to be … Silly question, I may being stupid but doesn't this bill needs to be voted on by the house of commons? Who are elected officials to pass laws not the vampire who can not vote in the house of coomons?



    The point is while the initial bill has to get through Parliament (it will get through the commons due to the current Labour majority, so the Lords is the best hope for stopping this), it's setting down powers which will in the future allow the unelected official (Mandelson) to set whatever punishments and sanctions he likes without referring back to Parliament. It also means that alleged "file sharers" can be found guilty without any due process........i.e. Mandelson gets to say you're guilty without trail and he gets to set the punishment.....that's a very scary president to set, and a slippery slope towards totalitarianism; anyone not signing this petition needs their head read!

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    dananana;6999555

    Silly question, I may being stupid but doesn't this bill needs to be … Silly question, I may being stupid but doesn't this bill needs to be voted on by the house of commons? Who are elected officials to pass laws not the vampire who can not vote in the house of commons and only come up proposed bills?



    yes but when its approved then someone who isn't elected can chop and change it as he likes, so in the future you could have a situation where someone suspected of filesharing could be sent to jail for 5 years just because the person in charge feels like it.
    I think without having that bit in people would be more likely to accept it.

    New article about this on BBC news: news.bbc.co.uk/1/h…stm. Summary, Facebook, Google, Yahoo and eBay among others don't like it and have written to Mandelson to express "grave concerns" .
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