Single justice procedure Notice tv licensing!

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Posted 24th Sep
A few weeks ago whilst going to the gym met the chap from TV licensing at the door. We had a quick chat and by the end of the conversation he had convinced me to sign a direct debit form to pay TV licence. After not thinking much about it, noticed they had taken about 39£ and I stopped the direct payments as 3e never watch anything on BBC as we have Netflix and virgin TV. In fact on the day he came I just wanted to go to the gym so had just blindly agreed to what he was saying.

The single justice procedure Notice has arrived and not sure what to do as I don't really want any trouble coming my way. Whats the best way to sort it out as there is mention of "an application is being made for 120£ contribution towards the cost of TV licensing and I need to plead guilty or not guilty. Does this mean if I pleade guilty all I am paying is the 120?
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666FU25/09/2019 07:03

Thieving what? TV licence goes to the BBC, who said I'm watching the BBC?



Are you above the law? you can't bend the law to mean whatever suits you. The law requires that if you watch live TV (amongst other conditions) you need a TV licence. Granted, I'm not sure if watching without one is actually 'theft' (I can easily change it to 'dishonest'), but there's no doubting that telling them you don't watch live TV, when you do, definitely makes one a liar.
What's with the 120£ & 49£ ? Are you typing in a mirror ?
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"...as we have Netflix and virgin TV" = licence fee due.
AndyRoyd24/09/2019 21:38

"...as we have Netflix and virgin TV" = licence fee due.


That's what I thought. So if I have virgin and Netflix I need the licence right? If so is there any way I can sort this out without court? Can I ring the licence authority directly to pay?
vixmony24/09/2019 21:41

That's what I thought. So if I have virgin and Netflix I need the licence …That's what I thought. So if I have virgin and Netflix I need the licence right? If so is there any way I can sort this out without court? Can I ring the licence authority directly to pay?


Netflix has no TVL implication (on the assumption no Netflix content is live, maybe), just the VM TV req TVL. Unusual to have court mentioned in first communication, or have you ignored a couple of reminders?
AndyRoyd24/09/2019 21:46

Netflix has no TVL implication (on the assumption no Netflix content is …Netflix has no TVL implication (on the assumption no Netflix content is live, maybe), just the VM TV req TVL. Unusual to have court mentioned in first communication, or have you ignored a couple of reminders?


This was my thoughts Andy.

To have them arrive at the door usually means that some other communications must have been overlooked?

For the avoidance of doubt a license is required where equipment capable of receiving live channels is being used or catch up for a programme within 2 hours of its original broadcast.
360finder24/09/2019 21:48

This was my thoughts Andy.To have them arrive at the door usually means …This was my thoughts Andy.To have them arrive at the door usually means that some other communications must have been overlooked?For the avoidance of doubt a license is required where equipment capable of receiving live channels is being used or catch up for a programme within 2 hours of its original broadcast.


Thanks so if we only use virgin and Netflix are we supposed to pay for a license? Sorry if this sounds a bit scilly.
What's with the 120£ & 49£ ? Are you typing in a mirror ?
vixmony24/09/2019 21:50

Thanks so if we only use virgin and Netflix are we supposed to pay for a …Thanks so if we only use virgin and Netflix are we supposed to pay for a license? Sorry if this sounds a bit scilly.


If you watch live TV on virgin you need a license.
MR112324/09/2019 22:00

If you watch live TV on virgin you need a license.


OK thanks. Now the next question how do I resolve this or court is the only way? If I call the TV licensing and make a payment will that resolve the issue?
vixmony24/09/2019 22:02

OK thanks. Now the next question how do I resolve this or court is the …OK thanks. Now the next question how do I resolve this or court is the only way? If I call the TV licensing and make a payment will that resolve the issue?


I have no idea. Is this letter from the court or TV license? You can call them and ask.

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furbars24/09/2019 21:58

What's with the 120£ & 49£ ? Are you typing in a mirror ?


Usually overseas visitors use this method
360finder24/09/2019 21:48

For the avoidance of doubt a license is required where equipment capable …For the avoidance of doubt a license is required where equipment capable of receiving live channels is being used or catch up for a programme within 2 hours of its original broadcast.


Not to sure this is right according to tvlicensing.co.uk/che…nce only needed if you watch or record live TV etc.
How long did you tell them you've been watching virgin TV for?

They may have you banged to rights if you've say admitted to watching it for 6 months and only paid £39 towards 3 months TV licencing fees.

Depending on how long you've told them you've been live broadcasting (they do ask and put the info on the form) its quite conceivable you decided to cease doing so shortly after their visit when you decided you don't watch enough live TV to warrant the £150 cost per year, but of course you decided to cease during the 3 month period you paid the £39 to cover for a licence get working out some dates

They presumably haven't visited since, so are working on the assumption you've continued watching TV whilst not paying for a licence, and no, having an active sky / virgin TV subscription isn't evidence you've been live broadcasting, which may not be the case, and you'd have a defence which they have no evidence to dispute, if you had ceased to watch live broadcasts.
Edited by: "eset12345" 24th Sep
MR112324/09/2019 22:06

I have no idea. Is this letter from the court or TV license? You can call …I have no idea. Is this letter from the court or TV license? You can call them and ask.Link


Why not just go online and buy a licence in full. Tell them the tv wasn’t working which is why you cancelled and once it was fixed (which you did yourself) you bought the licence outright.
Edited by: "cmdr_elito" 24th Sep
been getting letters for nearly 4 years now that my address is being investigated over watching live TV with no TV licence. Nobody ever came to knock on my door
Hi all many thanks. The letter is actually direct from court. If I plead guilty will I have a criminal conviction?
Thanks for all the replies. I am still far from figuring out what exactly do I do from here now that I have this letter from court. Do I just ring tv licensing and pay the £120 and admit guilt?, because the single justice form has 3 options which are admit guilt and don't attend court , deny it and go to court or just ignore and have the judges decide in my absence. Now based on the fact that I did talk to the chap from TV licensing and as others have already mentioned I don't have have much of a case to deny as I do have virgin etc. So what am asking especially for those who've been in a similar situation, is how to deal with this please?.
furbars24/09/2019 21:58

What's with the 120£ & 49£ ? Are you typing in a mirror ?


Thanks for being very observant with regards to my grasp of English or how to write the language . For your own information, yes I am not a native English speaker. In fact I had to learn the language from scratch, at a very later part of my life so pardon me, if this is not good enough to match the required standard but I am really trying my best to express myself, in order for the lovely people on here to help and advise me.
I would go for option 1 admit guilt but do not go to court. Looks like you will be fined. After which you would still have to pay for the license. Is this the only communication from anyone regarding this non payment? Seems heavy handed if it is.
nannafish25/09/2019 06:36

I would go for option 1 admit guilt but do not go to court. Looks like you …I would go for option 1 admit guilt but do not go to court. Looks like you will be fined. After which you would still have to pay for the license. Is this the only communication from anyone regarding this non payment? Seems heavy handed if it is.


Yes this is the only contact from them so I am completely buffled. Will admission of guilt result in a criminal conviction though and any idea what the fine is?also is worth taking a trip to citizens advice at all? Are they of any help?
deeky25/09/2019 06:49

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Thieving what? TV licence goes to the BBC, who said I'm watching the BBC?
vixmony25/09/2019 07:00

Yes this is the only contact from them so I am completely buffled. Will …Yes this is the only contact from them so I am completely buffled. Will admission of guilt result in a criminal conviction though and any idea what the fine is?also is worth taking a trip to citizens advice at all? Are they of any help?


No harm in making an appointment to speak to Citizens Advice. They should be able to give you the information you want.
666FU25/09/2019 07:03

Thieving what? TV licence goes to the BBC, who said I'm watching the BBC?



Are you above the law? you can't bend the law to mean whatever suits you. The law requires that if you watch live TV (amongst other conditions) you need a TV licence. Granted, I'm not sure if watching without one is actually 'theft' (I can easily change it to 'dishonest'), but there's no doubting that telling them you don't watch live TV, when you do, definitely makes one a liar.
deeky25/09/2019 07:09

you can't bend the law to mean whatever suits you.


Isn't that the lawyer's job?
vixmony25/09/2019 00:02

Hi all many thanks. The letter is actually direct from court. If I plead …Hi all many thanks. The letter is actually direct from court. If I plead guilty will I have a criminal conviction?


The letter is basically asking do you plead guilty to the offence or not guilty, the case will go before the magistrates and will be heard in your absence (if you don’t want to attend). If you plead not guilty you have to write back the reason and any mitigating circumstances and the judges will decide if you’re guilty or not. If you plead guilty straight away, the case will still be heard in court but the fine will be automatically reduced (I think by a third, plus costs and perhaps a victim surcharge)
Personally, I would plead guilty, send a separate letter in to the court admitting guilt and saying an oversight on your part and that you have since bought a full tv Licence.
You’ll still have to pay the £120 the tv licensing are claiming as well if you still haven’t paid them.
Edited by: "Toptrumpet" 25th Sep
Toptrumpet25/09/2019 10:01

The letter is basically asking do you plead guilty to the offence or not …The letter is basically asking do you plead guilty to the offence or not guilty, the case will go before the magistrates and will be heard in your absence (if you don’t want to attend). If you plead not guilty you have to write back the reason and any mitigating circumstances and the judges will decide if you’re guilty or not. If you plead guilty straight away, the case will still be heard in court but the fine will be automatically reduced (I think by a third, plus costs and perhaps a victim surcharge)Personally, I would plead guilty, send a separate letter in to the court admitting guilt and saying an oversight on your part and that you have since bought a full tv Licence. You’ll still have to pay the £120 the tv licensing are claiming as well if you still haven’t paid them.


Many thanks for your clarity. This is a right pain and to be honest but the law is the law and they have caught me. I will visit citizens advice and then just make the payment for licence and admit guilt. I was worried though that I would have a criminal conviction and that scared me as have always tried to be as straight as a pin! .
I was scoffed at a few months ago for saying de-tune the live to air channels on your equipment & if applicable remove the aerial from the kit, yet you are saying the same, BUT ALSO (incorrectly) that if your kit has ever had bbc etc on then you are liable) ..no that is simply wrong.

The burden of proof (if you haven't already admitted to mis-use) is on the "private company" official to prove guilt, exactly why they try to get into your home to show that your kit is basically set up to receive (also different from receiving) signal from channels requiring you to pay the license, & all the tactics they go with.

Sounds like you've been caught admitting use without license though.
I personally doubt a judge will believe innocent "ignorance" of the law, its a rolling court process these days, as with so many things in a jaded world.

I was stitched up by a bored judge a few years ago on an entirely different matter, don't let them force you to do anything without a court appointed defense, if there is none, ask why & ask for a deferrment until available.
lettherebedeals24/09/2019 22:39

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So how do you listen to radio channels that doesn't need a licence if you can't scan for them?
vixmony25/09/2019 10:12

Many thanks for your clarity. This is a right pain and to be honest but …Many thanks for your clarity. This is a right pain and to be honest but the law is the law and they have caught me. I will visit citizens advice and then just make the payment for licence and admit guilt. I was worried though that I would have a criminal conviction and that scared me as have always tried to be as straight as a pin! .


What’s the point of going to the Citizens Advice Bureau?
Just fill the form in, add your ‘sorry, I won’t do it again letter’ and wait for the judgement to arrive in the post. Get the TV license today and put away £20 a week to cover the fine.
You won’t get a criminal record.
listening to radio on a TV via a smart tv or a separate box tv is vacuous & dumb waste of energy compared to that of a simple radio (dab or otherwise)
Older gen plasma 180 watts per hour ..to listen to radio?

current 50 inch LCD tv 50 watts.. to listen to a radio?

That's really putting the screen hours & all that jazz up for component wear.

RADIO ...anything between 6 & 14 watts depending on size & type as a standalone.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>
OP if you are wanting to listen to mainstream radio you don't need a license anymore, ..for proper confirmation on whats what though I recommend MSE (money saving expert) site as its all got a bit complicated with apps, online, catch up etc... get it from the horses mouth for peace of mind!
Edited by: "Mr_Gus" 25th Sep
lettherebedeals25/09/2019 10:20

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For someone who obviously knows very little on the subject you sure do give a lot of untrue advice. You only need a licence if you actually watch or record live telivision not if you are capable of it. Your argument is like saying that you are a murderer just because you own a knife so are capable of killing someone.

Do some research, the TV licence website itself says you do not need a TV licence for on demand or catch up services.

tvlicensing.co.uk/faq…104
I agree with the above comment. In court the onus is on the person found with the tv on to prove that the tv is not capable of receiving channels.
unless the tv has been specifically modified and a letter sent to the tv people advising same, then a court would side with the tv licensing.
lettherebedeals25/09/2019 14:05

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I'd like to see some evidence of these few cases that have scanned channels and led to prosecution. My mother borrowed my kitchen TV for her caravan in the summer and it now has channels tuned in. I don't really want to hard reset it but If you have evidence (not a tabloid newspaper article) that a scanned TV is illegal to use without a licence, I would like to see it. I don't have an antenna plugged in and ony watch Netflix,Prime,Youtube and occasionally NowTv when it's on offer. Your statements contradicts the tv licensing rules so would be very interested where they are bending the rules to prosecute.

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Edited by: "HerefordCiderApples" 25th Sep
lettherebedeals25/09/2019 14:05

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More tripe. The law clearly states that you only need a TV licence if you actually watch/record live television or watch BBC iplayer. The burden of prove lies with the accuser who will need to prove that you actually watched or recorded live television.

Please stop giving false advice. This is a site for people to save money and you are potentially costing people money if they believe you and unnecessarily purchase a TV licence that they do not need.
TV licensing is BS! I don't watch BBC and I refuse to pay for it.

19 years and I am still waiting for the TV Detector van to catch me.


vixmony25/09/2019 05:01

Thanks for being very observant with regards to my grasp of English or how …Thanks for being very observant with regards to my grasp of English or how to write the language . For your own information, yes I am not a native English speaker. In fact I had to learn the language from scratch, at a very later part of my life so pardon me, if this is not good enough to match the required standard but I am really trying my best to express myself, in order for the lovely people on here to help and advise me.


We all had to learn the language from scratch, no other way that I know!
Buy a tv licence straight away and you should be ok.
Phew I can see this topic became very lively and that is a credit to the spirit of you all on here.
I will fill the form in, pay the licence and then get more clarity in terms of how to prevent this from happening again because to be fair. Kids only use Netflix and I watch some Dads army on gold and that's it. But none of this is BBC so even though I remain confused I will just pay.
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