So Corbyn won't condemn his mate President Maduro ( President of the "Utopian" Venezuala)

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Edited by:"rogparki"Found 7th Aug 2017
Often " bigged up " by Corbyn as a model example of a Utopian Marxist state . And a template for a Labour Britain under Corbyn . Do those folks who voted Labour in the last election really know what they were voting for ? Wiping out Student debt - errr -well no not really . An end to tuition fees - errr no not really -just an ambition . Be like Venezuela - Yes of course - how many billion barrels of oil are they sitting on ?
Remember - For the many , not the few - tell that to the citizens of Venezuela .

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Socialism in small doses works rather well, NHS anyone?

As for Venezuela - Its Oil rich so obviously our American cousins will be interested, or more so a destabilising factor wanting a more compliant US friendly government in power but ultimately extreme corruption has played a major factor in Venezuela's demise. As for Corbyn I don't care whether he condemns Maduro or not, has Theresa May condemned the Saudis for their war crimes and wide spread human rights abuses in Yemen? no because we sold them the bombs and the aircraft. Pot kettle black and people are more concerned with JC not condemning Maduro? it's laughable the lengths the right wing press and Corbyn haters will go to discredit him, I'm no fan of him myself btw.

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socialism is great when it works...which is errrm never
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benjammin31615 h, 25 m ago

Hope everyone had an awesome Monday



Probably not in Venezuela
Edited by: "rogparki" 8th Aug 2017

Off topic I know but this just goes to show how the website has been killed off since the awful update. A topic like this posted over an hour ago and only 2 comments?

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SJHan34 m ago

Off topic I know but this just goes to show how the website has been …Off topic I know but this just goes to show how the website has been killed off since the awful update. A topic like this posted over an hour ago and only 2 comments?



That's because "Momentum " hasn't told its members how to reply yet - they haven't even told their man Corbyn how to reply - hence his non committal grunts when pressed on the question . If he'd conned a few hundred thousand more mugs he could be our Prime Minister. As for the update , I don't think HUKD likes its members to know there is still a discussion forum "Misc" or maybe ,like Momentum , HUKD doesn't like its members to have minds of their own and freely discuss important topics .
Edited by: "rogparki" 7th Aug 2017

SJHan47 m ago

Off topic I know but this just goes to show how the website has been …Off topic I know but this just goes to show how the website has been killed off since the awful update. A topic like this posted over an hour ago and only 2 comments?


No one cares about his bait threads

Your resident troll has arrived, the political left only has violence or the threat of it. The old Communists like Corbyn know they can fool the youth who are the foot soldiers of any revolution because they have no experience of the lies the left spews. Cancelled student debts?

rogparki9 h, 48 m ago

That's because "Momentum " hasn't told its members how to reply yet - they …That's because "Momentum " hasn't told its members how to reply yet - they haven't even told their man Corbyn how to reply - hence his non committal grunts when pressed on the question . If he'd conned a few hundred thousand more mugs he could be our Prime Minister. As for the update , I don't think HUKD likes its members to know there is still a discussion forum "Misc" or maybe ,like Momentum , HUKD doesn't like its members to have minds of their own and freely discuss important topics .



Not really, Rog', it's probably because peeps have seen the hand of America in Venezuela for countless years.

The Yanks have been pumping money into anti-government organisations all over the world for years and just about everybody knows it.

The only thing that surprises me is why hasn't Venezuela buckled yet?


Ultimately, using the plight of Venezuela as a weapon against Corbyn will probably backfire - a far better tactic would be to just hold up Corbyn's dreams in the cold light of reality - he's nothing more than another well-intentioned dreamer who would leave the country up the creek without a paddle if he ever got into power.
As for 'Momentum' - carbon copy of the same old woolly-jumpered Trots we saw with Labour's old 'Miltant' mob in the 80's.
Edited by: "tryn2help" 8th Aug 2017

And yet no comment from Theresa May and no hard questioning

But then she'll probably just do another MayTurn if she says the wrong thing

Hey I'm no Corbyn supporter in fact I hate most politicians because they are corrupt and only in it for themselves and lie to win your vote.

When manifestos are legally binding contracts and all money/funding is taken out of politics then I might be able to find a respectable person whom I might support.
Edited by: "philphil61" 8th Aug 2017

How will this violence effect the price of cocaine, up, down?

OP did you know that Corbyn hasn't condemned Lord Voldemort?! I knew he was an evil wizard the moment I laid eyes on him.

And now he's trying to renege on his crystal clear promise to wipe out all student debt?! Outrageous. I know he promised that because someone down the pub said so, and it's in their manifesto on page... erm... well it's definitely in there somewhere!

The beardy leftist spunkbucket.

socialism is great when it works...which is errrm never

If your going to be even handed, you would have to question a helluva lot more than Corbyn about why they haven't condemned Saudi over the slaughter in Yemen, Bahrain over lack of basic freedoms/human rights.....There's a huge list, and making a fuss about Maduro/Venezuela is just another example of kicking at a leader/country that's no worse than many others, but just doesn't happen to be in the right clique.
Would the average Venezuelan be better off under a puppet government run by the CIA?

That said, Corbyn's a total pillock who would promise anything, today, only to deny it tomorrow, working on the assumption that the snowflakes have a short memory span, and limited intelligence.

Where is the evidence for this baloney you are spouting? You can't even spell the name of the country right. Suggests to me your research may be a little flawed.
Edited by: "psychobitchfromhell" 8th Aug 2017

His support for president for life, Robert "Bob" Mugabe has been unwavering over the years. Its not suprising that he would support this other fellow too.

qbs8 h, 58 m ago

If your going to be even handed, you would have to question a helluva lot …If your going to be even handed, you would have to question a helluva lot more than Corbyn about why they haven't condemned Saudi over the slaughter in Yemen, Bahrain over lack of basic freedoms/human rights.....There's a huge list, and making a fuss about Maduro/Venezuela is just another example of kicking at a leader/country that's no worse than many others, but just doesn't happen to be in the right clique. Would the average Venezuelan be better off under a puppet government run by the CIA?That said, Corbyn's a total pillock who would promise anything, today, only to deny it tomorrow, working on the assumption that the snowflakes have a short memory span, and limited intelligence.


Don't be silly you never criticise customers they might stop buying your weapons, amber rudd will tell you that.

philphil619 h, 44 m ago

And yet no comment from Theresa May and no hard questioningBut then she'll …And yet no comment from Theresa May and no hard questioningBut then she'll probably just do another MayTurn if she says the wrong thingHey I'm no Corbyn supporter in fact I hate most politicians because they are corrupt and only in it for themselves and lie to win your vote.When manifestos are legally binding contracts and all money/funding is taken out of politics then I might be able to find a respectable person whom I might support.



Fair point re' May.

Agreed she might be a bit wobbly, and has a hard road ahead of herself - made much harder after her ill-thought-out pre-election policies dubbed 'dementia tax', 'snoopers charter', 'white-van-man tax', etc etc, resulted in her losing a working majority.

These are just not the sort of things that ought to be thrown at the electorate if you want to win elections.
It's one thing to smash the poor to pieces whilst making the rich far far richer, but making the elderly and the self-employed pay for making the rich richer is just not going to happen.


But all that aside, if May can get any form of commonsense conservatism off the ground it'd be far more acceptable and realistic than Corbyn's welcome to fantasy island ideology..

Not good over there at all and I cant see it getting better anytime soon.

“Stubborn politics are seriously affecting millions of lives. The lethal combination of severe food and medicine shortages coupled with sky-high crime rates, persistent human rights violations and ill-conceived policies that focus on trying to keep people quiet instead of responding to their desperate calls for help are a recipe for an epic catastrophe,” said Erika Guevara-Rosas, Americas Director at Amnesty International. Link

cannibalwombat10 h, 1 m ago

OP did you know that Corbyn hasn't condemned Lord Voldemort?! I knew he …OP did you know that Corbyn hasn't condemned Lord Voldemort?! I knew he was an evil wizard the moment I laid eyes on him.And now he's trying to renege on his crystal clear promise to wipe out all student debt?! Outrageous. I know he promised that because someone down the pub said so, and it's in their manifesto on page... erm... well it's definitely in there somewhere! The beardy leftist spunkbucket.


DKLS44 m ago

Not good over there at all and I cant see it getting better anytime …Not good over there at all and I cant see it getting better anytime soon.“Stubborn politics are seriously affecting millions of lives. The lethal combination of severe food and medicine shortages coupled with sky-high crime rates, persistent human rights violations and ill-conceived policies that focus on trying to keep people quiet instead of responding to their desperate calls for help are a recipe for an epic catastrophe,” said Erika Guevara-Rosas, Americas Director at Amnesty International. Link



No, it's not good at all, but we're only being fed one side of the story - whether it's true or not is another matter, but hearing only one side is never a good guide to truth.


For those who think we ought to consider all sides, here's an alternative take on Venezuela's plight. coha.org/the…-2/



Let me make clear that I am not taking one side over another - I just think hearing the concerns of all sides is important.

DarkEnergy201210 h, 42 m ago

socialism is great when it works...which is errrm never



You're confusing socialism and communism. A common mistake on here.

CoeK25 m ago

You're confusing socialism and communism. A common mistake on here.


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Socialism in small doses works rather well, NHS anyone?

As for Venezuela - Its Oil rich so obviously our American cousins will be interested, or more so a destabilising factor wanting a more compliant US friendly government in power but ultimately extreme corruption has played a major factor in Venezuela's demise. As for Corbyn I don't care whether he condemns Maduro or not, has Theresa May condemned the Saudis for their war crimes and wide spread human rights abuses in Yemen? no because we sold them the bombs and the aircraft. Pot kettle black and people are more concerned with JC not condemning Maduro? it's laughable the lengths the right wing press and Corbyn haters will go to discredit him, I'm no fan of him myself btw.

Here's one report on the situation; dailysabah.com/ame…mpt

Here's another; voanews.com/a/u…tml


No doubt what the rulers of the U.S of A want; question is: Shall Trump see an opportunity to act the tough guy and go 'murderous military' as a warning to the rest of the world?

Error4402 h, 51 m ago

Don't be silly you never criticise customers they might stop buying your …Don't be silly you never criticise customers they might stop buying your weapons, amber rudd will tell you that.



How predictable. Amber Rudd hasn't been in post long enough to be responsible for the dent in her chair.

The self gagging of the self righteous when it comes to the dodgy activities of various regimes, particularly the concentration in the middle east, goes back decades, and has been practised by all political parties and most, if not all western regimes.
Edited by: "qbs" 8th Aug 2017

qbs2 m ago

How predictable. Amber Rudd hasn't been in post long enough to be …How predictable. Amber Rudd hasn't been in post long enough to be responsible for the dent in her chair. The self gagging of the self righteous when it comes to the dodgy activities of various regimes, particularly the concentration in the middle east, goes back decades.



It is quite possible that everyone is wrong. Both the left and right, the middle, front and back.

freakstyler21 m ago

Socialism in small doses works rather well, NHS anyone? As for Venezuela …Socialism in small doses works rather well, NHS anyone? As for Venezuela - Its Oil rich so obviously our American cousins will be interested, or more so a destabilising factor wanting a more compliant US friendly government in power but ultimately extreme corruption has played a major factor in Venezuela's demise. As for Corbyn I don't care whether he condemns Maduro or not, has Theresa May condemned the Saudis for their war crimes and wide spread human rights abuses in Yemen? no because we sold them the bombs and the aircraft. Pot kettle black and people are more concerned with JC not condemning Maduro? it's laughable the lengths the right wing press and Corbyn haters will go to discredit him, I'm no fan of him myself btw.



I wouldn't say 'laughable' - owing to the fact so many innocent peeps are caught up in this power struggle - but, I take your point.

In this day and age where people are generally better educated and have access to a vast amount of information on the net it's easy to spot the disinformation/misinformation.
And, in that sense, perhaps it is laughable watching them screeching their lies out in the hope we're all going to be stupid enough to believe any of them.

qbs16 m ago

How predictable. Amber Rudd hasn't been in post long enough to be …How predictable. Amber Rudd hasn't been in post long enough to be responsible for the dent in her chair. The self gagging of the self righteous when it comes to the dodgy activities of various regimes, particularly the concentration in the middle east, goes back decades.



It does indeed go back decades - and it's the same all over the world, been that way as you say 'for decades'.

Whether it's kings, presidents, chiefs etc there's always been the rulers and there's always been the ruled.

Life is usually always harder for the ruled who see the easier life of the rulers and naturally want to become the rulers.
If they succeed, the former rulers become the ruled, don't like it and want to become the rulers - and so it goes on and on.

Everybody just wants the easier life.

SJHan13 h, 52 m ago

Off topic I know but this just goes to show how the website has been …Off topic I know but this just goes to show how the website has been killed off since the awful update. A topic like this posted over an hour ago and only 2 comments?



After so many sprats on fishing hooks, the big fish are worn out by these baits and hauled in by the fisherman with nets.

qbs16 h, 58 m ago

IWould the average Venezuelan be better off under a puppet government run …IWould the average Venezuelan be better off under a puppet government run by the CIA?


Totally they would, if they de-nationalised the oil industry and get big industry back in and all the bad headlines will vanish overnight.

CoeK7 h, 3 m ago

You're confusing socialism and communism. A common mistake on here.



Well when you've got socialists in the shadow cabinet who are on the record singing the praises of actual communists then one could argue that it's become a very easy mistake to make.

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Many balanced and intelligent views ,thanks for your contributions . Sadly not all have such an intelligent view of politics , Marxism and its effect on " the many not the few "

Labour , funded by the Marxist Unions and the proudly Marxist Momentum movement very nearly conned enough voters to gain victory in the last election . Are the British electorate really that naïve and stupid ? Our youth are supposed to be the best educated ever- maybe they just fell for the tuition fee bribe ? A totally unaffordable and unrealistic "promise" - errr.....sorry it was always just an "ambition " - not what I heard Corbyn say during the run up to the election .

We expect politicians to "bend" the truth when campaigning - but downright Lies ! ? . Somehow Corbyn appears to have got away with his lies , even Momentum are advising Corbyn and all their actiyists to keep a low profile when questioned on the pre election promises /lies as they were never possible /practical or affordable .

My question is are the British electorate (the youth in particular ) Thick ? Not bothered ? or just gullible ? Did the electorate expect halcyon days forever under a Marxist Labour or realise that a Venezuelan type situation would be the inevitable result of electing a Labour government - We came pretty close !

DKLS2 h, 12 m ago

Totally they would, if they de-nationalised the oil industry and get big …Totally they would, if they de-nationalised the oil industry and get big industry back in and all the bad headlines will vanish overnight.



The bad headlines would disappear because the wrong doing would be by the "right" people. They'd probably end up with Blackwater type enforcers supplied by the good old usa ensuring that their interests, the usa's, were being properly looked after.

Rubisco14 h, 40 m ago

Well when you've got socialists in the shadow cabinet who are on the …Well when you've got socialists in the shadow cabinet who are on the record singing the praises of actual communists then one could argue that it's become a very easy mistake to make.



It is an easy mistake to make if you are wilfully ignorant. I think we can agree on that.

CoeK2 h, 52 m ago

It is an easy mistake to make if you are wilfully ignorant. I think we …It is an easy mistake to make if you are wilfully ignorant. I think we can agree on that.


Is it wilfully ignorant to recognise that the two words aren't solidly defined, and have had wildly different meanings to different people since they were both introduced to the English language?

Rubisco15 m ago

Is it wilfully ignorant to recognise that the two words aren't solidly …Is it wilfully ignorant to recognise that the two words aren't solidly defined, and have had wildly different meanings to different people since they were both introduced to the English language?



Yes.

rogparki16 h, 40 m ago

We expect politicians to "bend" the truth when campaigning - but downright …We expect politicians to "bend" the truth when campaigning - but downright Lies ! ? .


I'm guessing your experience of British politics is fairly new?

CoeK8 m ago

Yes.



Then I might suggest that you might be wilfully ignorant of the meaning of the word ignorant.

Rubisco17 m ago

Then I might suggest that you might be wilfully ignorant of the meaning of …Then I might suggest that you might be wilfully ignorant of the meaning of the word ignorant.



Yes you can suggest that too.
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