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    So, I've just watched Moorside...

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    I live quite close to the happenings of the Shannon Matthews case, I even used to work in Dewsbury. After having various feelings about the 2008 disappearance and blaming the obvious, I now have different feelings about the events.

    It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was slightly 'slow'.

    As previously mentioned, I'm a little confused now as to what to think. There was always an understanding (rumour) that more was involved. What do you guys think?

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    They must have been extremely stupid at least to think they'd get away with it.

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    Rom

    They must have been extremely stupid at least to think they'd get away … They must have been extremely stupid at least to think they'd get away with it.



    Yeah. I totally agree. But that wasn't really my question.

    BuzzDuraband

    It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was slightly … It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was slightly 'slow'. ...What do you guys think?...



    I think you can probably find a better description than "slightly 'slow'".

    BuzzDuraband

    Yeah. I totally agree. But that wasn't really my question.


    Sorry I'm not super familiar with the case to guess what the more could be.
    I belive a lot of the extended family get unfair stick about it though, must be tough.

    Definitely slow and mental health problems I never knew much about the case but quite enjoyed the show Iv since read up abit about it tonight. Her best friend the one who organised the rallying was in one of the papers today telling her side of how this person is slow wanted to get away from her boyfriend and took Shannon out of his way. It had nothing to do with claiming money but once encouraged by her other friends to report Shannon missing the lies had started and got too big. I'm not in any way condoning what happened but mentally ill people have to be treated differently. Just my opinion by the way.

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    I think you can probably find a better description than "slightly 'slow'".



    Feel free. It's a discussion.

    BuzzDuraband

    It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was slightly … It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was slightly 'slow'. ...What do you guys think?...

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    I think you can probably find a better description than "slightly 'slow'".

    BuzzDuraband

    Feel free. It's a discussion.



    I have not watched the BBC programme.

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    "slow"?

    She is as thick as ****
    Edited by: "YouDontWantToKnow" 14th Feb

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    You can't seperate the facts from fiction in any sort of TV ''drama''...

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    BuzzDuraband

    It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was … It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was slightly 'slow'. ...What do you guys think?...

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    I think you can probably find a better description than "slightly … I think you can probably find a better description than "slightly 'slow'".

    BuzzDuraband

    Feel free. It's a discussion.



    So how would you know I could find a better description, How would you know it wasn't claimed?

    Educate first, critisise later
    Edited by: "BuzzDuraband" 14th Feb

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    YouDontWantToKnow

    "slow"?She is as thick as ****



    I'd have to agree with you, unfortunately. I'm sure she was aware of what was happening, I'm just not sure she actually understood the implications of it.

    Have no idea what you are on about Buzz all the best
    http://static.tumblr.com/kq0qb2z/onTm3noon/tumblr_m2jo4018ya1rsrdy3o1_1280.gif

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    thewongwing101

    Have no idea what you are on about Buzz all the best



    Please, allow me

    en.wikipedia.org/wik…ews

    bbc.co.uk/pro…vc0

    Obviously I appreciate you letting me know, and the gif

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    thewongwing101

    Have no idea what you are on about Buzz all the best



    Thanks for your input.

    BuzzDuraband

    Please, allow me … Please, allow me :)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Shannon_Matthewshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08dxvc0Obviously I appreciate you letting me know, and the gif


    Sorry if I came over insensitive

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    BuzzDuraband

    I'm just not sure she actually understood the implications of it.



    I am pretty sure she knew where her daughter was & she was lying to the police & press for financial gain at the expense of her daughter.

    I am also pretty sure she knew what her boyfriend was looking at on the PC in the front room ...."child porn".

    She should have served 5 years minimum & if there ever was a case for sterilisation then she is the perfect example.

    BuzzDuraband

    It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was … It seems (or was portrayed by the BBC) that Karen Matthews was slightly 'slow'. ...What do you guys think?...

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    I think you can probably find a better description than "slightly … I think you can probably find a better description than "slightly 'slow'".

    BuzzDuraband

    Feel free. It's a discussion.

    fanpages

    I have not watched the BBC programme.

    BuzzDuraband

    So how would you know I could find a better description, How would you … So how would you know I could find a better description, How would you know it wasn't claimed?Read first, critisise later



    I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of somebody's mental health than your clumsy attempt.

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    thewongwing101

    Sorry if I came over insensitive



    Not insensitive. Pointless

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    Hey Buzz

    You do realise Shannon didnt have the run of the house while "kidnapped".

    She was tethered like an animal.

    BuzzDuraband

    Not insensitive. Pointless


    Just not paying attention buzz sorry
    thought it was one of these video game thingies

    I can remember the police helicopter being very low for days on end and people who had ganja farms in their house getting worried as the door to door searches spread out from the moor, by the way it was filmed in Halifax. Dewsbury moor has had a load of money spent on it before and after the Mathews case. my grandma and grandad were one of the first to move onto moorside road when they were built, when people wanted to live there. claim to fame over.

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    YouDontWantToKnow

    Hey Buzz You do realise Shannon didnt have the run of the house while … Hey Buzz You do realise Shannon didnt have the run of the house while "kidnapped".She was tethered like an animal.



    Yes. Unfortuanately she was drugged and hidden inside a divan bed.

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    I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of … I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of somebody's mental health than your clumsy attempt.



    I'm extremely impressed with your response FP. It still doesn't deter from the fact you ran in with absolutely no idea of what you was talking about But, still, it gave you something to do what you do best. Carry on about pointless ****
    Edited by: "BuzzDuraband" 15th Feb

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    Oh & the program seemed to suggest Julie Bushby may have been involved.

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    YouDontWantToKnow

    Oh & the program seemed to suggest Julie Bushby may have been involved.



    Oh. I didn't perceive that at all from either episodes. I just took a friend who seemed gullible but wanted to be that after all, a friend. I didn't gain anything that they seemed to imply she was involved.

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    BuzzDuraband

    Oh. I didn't perceive that at all from either episodes.



    Watch it back again with the thought that Julie Bushby might be involved. There are several pointers to this by the producers.

    YouDontWantToKnow

    Oh & the program seemed to suggest Julie Bushby may have been involved.



    Definitely didn't get that out of the program. I think at the start they didn't really know each other didn't they meet in some parent group or something I'm sure I remember the program starting last week in a group of parents when they walked together on the way home she introduced her self as a new friend to the babysitter
    Edited by: "larrylightweight" 15th Feb

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    YouDontWantToKnow

    Watch it back again with the thought that Julie Bushby might be involved. … Watch it back again with the thought that Julie Bushby might be involved. There are several pointers to this by the producers.



    Although entitled, and I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong. I think you've read too much into that, or I've missed it. I'd like to see these pointers from the produces spelt out to me, though

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    BuzzDuraband

    Although entitled, and I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong. I think … Although entitled, and I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong. I think you've read too much into that, or I've missed it. I'd like to see these pointers from the produces spelt out to me, though



    So as the police believe that the 2 perpetrators are too thick to devise the kidnapping who do you think was the 3rd man/woman. ?

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    YouDontWantToKnow

    So as the police believe that the 2 perpetrators are too thick to devise … So as the police believe that the 2 perpetrators are too thick to devise the kidnapping who do you think was the 3rd man/woman. ?



    I'm not even sure there was a 3rd man/woman. I'd like to think there was, because I genuinley do feel (after wathing the programs) that Karen Matthews is not single handidly capable of such a task. That said, I have no idea and/or history of Michael Donovan to back up my thoughts.

    It just seems a little crazy that such a task was quite easily executed from the police and the community of Dewsbury and Batley for 3 weeks by these two people, alone.

    YouDontWantToKnow

    So as the police believe that the 2 perpetrators are too thick to devise … So as the police believe that the 2 perpetrators are too thick to devise the kidnapping who do you think was the 3rd man/woman. ?



    2 perpetrators were believed to be mum and stepdad and the 3rd was the uncle. NO? That's what I thought they meant

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    larrylightweight

    2 perpetrators were believed to be mum and stepdad and the 3rd was the … 2 perpetrators were believed to be mum and stepdad and the 3rd was the uncle. NO? That's what I thought they meant



    Apparently the stepdad had no involvement in the case. He was arreseted for his involvement for child pornography, but that was a seperate case.

    BuzzDuraband

    Apparently the stepdad had no involvement in the case. He was arreseted … Apparently the stepdad had no involvement in the case. He was arreseted for his involvement for child pornography, but that was a seperate case.



    Yes I understand that but this was found out after but definitely would of been suspected and questioned at the time.

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    I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of … I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of somebody's mental health than your clumsy attempt.

    BuzzDuraband

    I'm extremely impressed with your response FP. It still doesn't deter … I'm extremely impressed with your response FP. It still doesn't deter from the fact you ran in with absolutely no idea of what you was talking about But, still, it gave you something to do what you do best. Carry on about pointless ****



    Carry on being rude & making derogatory remarks about others, & we'll see how far the thread progresses.
    Edited by: "fanpages" 6th Apr

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    larrylightweight

    Yes I understand that but this was found out after but definitely would … Yes I understand that but this was found out after but definitely would of been suspected and questioned at the time.



    Most definitely, and even though I knew the story, I actually turned to our lass and questioned why he was sat there playing computer games on the police's first visit.

    It's hard to establish how hard the BBC attempted to make this story as true to life as possible, but if we're going to punish and sentence Karen Matthews on her parental failures, then I'd say that guy needs locking up ASAP for that instantaneous guilt.

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    I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of … I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of somebody's mental health than your clumsy attempt.

    BuzzDuraband

    I'm extremely impressed with your response FP. It still doesn't deter … I'm extremely impressed with your response FP. It still doesn't deter from the fact you ran in with absolutely no idea of what you was talking about But, still, it gave you something to do what you do best. Carry on about pointless ****



    Qouted for the mistake (_;)

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    I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of … I do know that there are better ways to describe the condition of somebody's mental health than your clumsy attempt.

    BuzzDuraband

    I'm extremely impressed with your response FP. It still doesn't deter … I'm extremely impressed with your response FP. It still doesn't deter from the fact you ran in with absolutely no idea of what you was talking about But, still, it gave you something to do what you do best. Carry on about pointless ****



    Why? You do it almost every time your name is present, FP. Why is this any different?

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    Seriously guys.

    Watch the whole thing back with the thought that the Police believe there was a 3rd party.

    The 2nd part especially.

    MrScotchBonnet

    Qouted for the mistake (_;)



    ...and I didn't even start with Buzz's numerous typographical errors & spelling issues.
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