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    So something new happened to shake up the benefits system today.

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    And people aren't happy about it! Any single parents here affected by this?

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    Dont they still get a minium of £20k (circa £25k for a PAYE earner before TAX & NI) ?

    Feel free to correct my maths...
    Edited by: "YouDontWantToKnow" 7th Nov 2016

    I do sympathise with those caught up in this . A reality check though - benefits should be an interim safety net, not the alternative to work as they became for many years

    she should have thought about it before she had 4 kids and no income

    However unpalatable it will be, some have come to rely on benefits as a way of life whilst working on the black market getting council houses and not giving anything back to taxpayers

    Plenty of 'ladies' I know set out with the intent of becoming single parents and live off the gravy train. Typically having a tote every 4 years (child starting school) to any random man to stop having to provide evidence of checking for a job and allow them to earn more than they could realistically make.
    Can't say that I think it's fair; the woman on the BBC link seems to have been doing the same with her new tote on the way and previously in receipt of single parent benefits.

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    sowotsdis

    However unpalatable it will be, some have come to rely on benefits as a … However unpalatable it will be, some have come to rely on benefits as a way of life whilst working on the black market getting council houses and not giving anything back to taxpayers



    The £20k is including rent for council houses.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_e27VkFyRM2M/TFQz3wewMdI/AAAAAAAAC1A/NWE2-5wBy18/s1600/Illogical-Jeremy-Kyle-get-a-job-and-put-something-on-the-end-of-it.jpg

    "It will affect 40,000 single mothers" - this is a national disgrace what about the other parents responsibilities?
    Social welfare should be temporary for those in dire need not a catch all to be abused
    Edited by: "sowotsdis" 7th Nov 2016

    Amazing how those moaning on the media have an over the average number of children. 4 children but no way to fund raising them.

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    john184

    Plenty of 'ladies' I know set out with the intent of becoming single … Plenty of 'ladies' I know set out with the intent of becoming single parents and live off the gravy train




    How bloody dare you insinuate there are hundreds of thousands of young ladies that have no intention off working a day in their lives & just spawning out at the expense of legitimate tax payers (the middle class taxpayers that actually pay the correct amount of tax & are being robbed much more by the rich who pay none).

    Its a disgrace you point out reality.

    You might want to add that these ladies have had years of notice of a reduction of benefits which preceeds the conception of their minions. (ie the Government warned years ago that the cut would apply to all kids born after the notice period that preceeds any pregnancy the could possibly have).
    Edited by: "YouDontWantToKnow" 7th Nov 2016

    Sadly it became a way of living in many areas - how to work the "dole" - if you were a girl have a baby to get away from the parents and get a council house , if you were a bloke disappear when the dirty deed took fruit . These areas are now called deprived !

    Doesnt really fix the system by making these people who raise 4 kids on there own with no money. Pretty much impossible in that situation to get out of the hole if your on your own.

    I feel no pitty for people who played the system but I do feel for the children. The state should intervene and take the kids so the mother can create a better environment.

    Maybe in the future people might think more before bringing a life into this world without the resources to cope. I know that means its pretty hard to impossible to have kids and I'm one of those in the impossible bin...

    I've got to get up in the morning at 0430 for work and this story is really chilling me out before bed lol

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    fishleg003

    Doesnt really fix the system by making these people who raise 4 kids on … Doesnt really fix the system by making these people who raise 4 kids on there own with no money. Pretty much impossible in that situation to get out of the hole if your on your own.I feel no pitty for people who played the system but I do feel for the children. The state should intervene and take the kids so the mother can create a better environment.Maybe in the future people might think more before bringing a life into this world without the resources to cope. I know that means its pretty hard to impossible to have kids and I'm one of those in the impossible bin...



    All these mothers were not pregnant at the time of the announcement of future benefits cuts.

    I am sure they will all survive, as well as their children will but they will have to suffer without the luxuries of life. No damage will be done to the kids.

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    YouDontWantToKnow

    All these mothers were not pregnant at the time of the announcement of … All these mothers were not pregnant at the time of the announcement of future benefits cuts. I am sure they will all survive, as well as their children will but they will have to suffer without the luxuries of life. No damage will be done to the kids.



    They'll just have to settle for an Amazon fire tablet instead of an Ipad and she will have to cut down to only 2 bottles of wine per night.

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    MrScotchBonnet

    They'll just have to settle for an Amazon fire tablet instead of an Ipad … They'll just have to settle for an Amazon fire tablet instead of an Ipad and she will have to cut down to only 2 bottles of wine per night.



    A bit stigmatising but along the right lines. They can afford to live but at the end off the day to have the additional kid/kids knowing the benefits cap was coming was completely their own decision & their own responsibility.

    Gingerbread single parents statistics, draw your own conclusion. Whatever a welfare system, which is essential to have, it is a challenge to sustain social behaviour from a quarter of families which are with dependent children are single parent families. One in four British children now live with lone mother or father. (The most common family type in 2015 was the married or civil partner couple family with or without dependent children at 12.5 million)
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    In Europe, only Latvia, Estonia and Ireland have more lone parent households. Average single parent household in UK claims twice as much in benefit support as the average two-parent household
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    Solution to reverse trend and spend is huge as it is culturally developed for a very long time beginning with the State having deep pockets on behalf of society for the national good and increased national debt in conjunction with people making love children, not saying this is right or wrong, with an acceptance of costs as family financial liability outsourced to the taxpayers or national debt with no repayment terms. Altogether quite a gigantic problem to solve, way too deep for me but a simple question to OP's question is, "of course people aren't happy" and there must be impact as this change is supposed to deliver savings.


    Edited by: "splender" 7th Nov 2016

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    splender

    draw your own conclusion.



    I will. Its a harsh statement but all those single parents (99% women) were told prior to the birth of their last child/children & knew in advance there would be caps & limitations on benefit for additional children.

    The Government behaved in a responsible manner & gave them full warning on what was going to happen in the future.

    What more can you do? & none of the kids will starve if the mothers are responsible.


    Edited by: "YouDontWantToKnow" 7th Nov 2016

    YouDontWantToKnow

    I will. Its a harsh statement but all those single parents (99% women) … I will. Its a harsh statement but all those single parents (99% women) were told prior to the birth of their last child/children knew in advance there would be caps & limitations on benefit for additional children. The Government behaved in a responsible manner & gave them full warning on what was going to happen in the future. What more can you do? & none of the kids will starve if the mothers are responsible.


    There is no easy right or wrong, who is responsible, government enacts the law but the people is part of the stakeholding, just like drug, alcohol, driving speeds, as people will breach the limits, it is hard to legislate for copulation without punishment a baby. At the end of the day, we have to collectively as people build social capital and social cohesion with an identity of the sensible and practical things to do. Our UK solution was to do this and we have moved away from this politically, childmigrantstrust.com/our…ry/
    theguardian.com/soc…ery
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    We have provided and are providing for alternative strategies to move away from (as quote from above link) , "Britain is the only country in the world with a sustained history of child migration. Only Britain has used child migration as a key part of its child care strategy over four centuries rather than as a last resort during times of war or civil unrest."

    Edited by: "splender" 7th Nov 2016

    Glad to see some action being done finally. Labour created this single parent culture that's snowballed since 97, it makes me sick to see people choosing this way of living as a lifestyle when it absolutely should not be. These selfish idiots who pump kids out one after the other (probably to different fathers too) need a good kick up the rear end and to take responsibility for their actions, we waited to have our children until I was 30, until we were financially secure enough to raise our children without relying on state handouts, to me its the only way it should be done, not passing the buck and having the sense of entitlement that these single parents seem to have these days that everything should be given to them on a plate.

    If I had my way i'd have limited the benefit to £10k.

    Here's the bad news.

    If you're a non working single parent, your children will not have the luxuries in life of a child with working parents.

    That is straight forward enough, except many single parents feel that to be unfair.

    What antagonises those who struggle in work, are single parents who claim hardship, but smoke, have a nice mobile, go out drinking at weekends, and use their own parents as cheap childminders.

    Clearly those are the exception, but we all know of someone that fits that description.

    Single parentage has become for many, an opportunity to bypass work, to gain an otherwise unobtainable independence from their own parents. A short cut.

    The sympathy must lay with the separated parent from a fickle partner.

    This can also mean a father legally evicted due to the improper behaviour of a mother who has parental care.

    If one parent can have it all, as is the case in the current system, then that merely encourages irresponsibility.

    Limiting rewards, for single parent in that position, can only be a positive move.

    It's an impossible situation trying to disncentivise having children purely to game the system whilst also not disadvantaging the children in these cases (more than they already are). Obviously people's views will be coloured by their own experiences but invariably this will hurt people who have tried to do the right thing in life.

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    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    but invariably this will hurt people who have tried to do the right thing … but invariably this will hurt people who have tried to do the right thing in life.



    No it wont. It will hurt those (if hurt is the operative word) that ignored the Governments notice prior to their own impregnation of the cap on benefits to come.

    Yes they have to budget better but "hardship"? Nah.

    YouDontWantToKnow

    No it wont. It will hurt those (if hurt is the operative word) that … No it wont. It will hurt those (if hurt is the operative word) that ignored the Governments notice prior to their own impregnation of the cap on benefits to come.Yes they have to budget better but "hardship"? Nah.



    Ok, well I envisage that there could be some people who will suffer either directly because of these cuts or because something else happens and there's a greater strain on resources that 'budgeting better' alone can't mitigate for.

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    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Ok, well I envisage that there could be some people who will suffer … Ok, well I envisage that there could be some people who will suffer either directly because of these cuts or because something else happens and there's a greater strain on resources that 'budgeting better' alone can't mitigate for.



    Imagine a world when everyone is given the correct information prior to their life choices.

    I know, it would be heaven!

    Oh right........... That is exactly what happened.

    No kids are going to starve.

    YouDontWantToKnow

    Imagine a world when everyone is given the correct information prior to … Imagine a world when everyone is given the correct information prior to their life choices. I know, it would be heaven!Oh right........... That is exactly what happened. No kids are going to starve.



    Wow, you have an amazing lack of empathy not just for women or humans, but for the fallibility and uncertainty that is the very essence of being human. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, simp,y that I can conceive of situations where issues may well arise.

    Now maybe you can't do that or maybe you don't want to do that and that's fine. We're all different as human beings. But are you able to imagine a scenario that you may not have ever faced personally but where an issue could arise?

    How many billions of people in this world can only dream of "suffering" on 20k a year?

    One thing is a disgrace and that people who get carers allowance will be bundled in this, thats disgraceful..

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    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    Wow, you have an amazing lack of empathy not just for women or humans



    Nope. I do have empathy & sympathy.

    What I do not have empathy & sympathy for drink drivers.

    They knew the law before they got in a car & are responsible for the aftermath.

    This change in benefits has been well published & announced prior to the conception of the child affected (ie not bringing in money to the household)..... But instead of going to prison they have to budget better on £20k & everyone is fine & well looked after..

    What exactly is your point?

    emporer

    Glad to see some action being done finally. Labour created this single … Glad to see some action being done finally. Labour created this single parent culture that's snowballed since 97, it makes me sick to see people choosing this way of living as a lifestyle when it absolutely should not be. These selfish idiots who pump kids out one after the other (probably to different fathers too) need a good kick up the rear end and to take responsibility for their actions, we waited to have our children until I was 30, until we were financially secure enough to raise our children without relying on state handouts, to me its the only way it should be done, not passing the buck and having the sense of entitlement that these single parents seem to have these days that everything should be given to them on a plate.If I had my way i'd have limited the benefit to £10k.



    ​this has not snowballed since 97.
    girls knew in the late 80s, get pregnant, get a council property, don't have to look for or be available for work until your youngest hits 16.
    slowly a lot of the things they got back then have been removed.
    the only difference now is red top papers, the mail and channel 4/5.
    they trawl the country looking for worst offenders stick them in a "documentary" and everybody thinks that's what every single parent is like.

    YouDontWantToKnow

    Nope. I do have empathy & sympathy. What I do not have empathy & sympathy … Nope. I do have empathy & sympathy. What I do not have empathy & sympathy for drink drivers. They knew the law before they got in a car & are responsible for the aftermath.This change in benefits has been well published & announced prior to the conception of the child affected (ie not bringing in money to the household)..... But instead of going to prison they have to budget better on £20k & everyone is fine & well looked after..What exactly is your point?



    My point is that life isn't as straightforward as you seem to think it is and that it has the tendency to throw curveballs once in a while. I'm not saying that I'm right, I'm simply saying that I can conceive of a situation where issues may arise.

    Maybe you can't. Maybe you're 100% right or maybe you simply don't have much in the way of life experiences. All I can say is that you don't seem to be that empathetic and that this is all rather unpleasant.

    good, its about time benefits were capped at what is essentially a full time minimum wage earnings.

    i'd go even further and cut it by another 5k or so.

    give the feckless parent a real reason to return to work.
    Edited by: "eset12345" 7th Nov 2016

    FOR EVERY SINGLE MUMMY THERE IS A SINGLE DADDY (in most cases, excluding death etc).

    Daddy needs to be out hunting and putting food on the table. These scum bags would go to the head of the queue at the job centre to MAKE THEM WORK for their procreation.

    YouDontWantToKnow

    This change in benefits has been well published & announced prior to the … This change in benefits has been well published & announced prior to the conception of the child affected (ie not bringing in money to the household).....



    Are you confusing the benefit cap with the proposed Tax Credits cuts?

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    HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

    My point is that life isn't as straightforward as you seem to think it is … My point is that life isn't as straightforward as you seem to think it is and that it has the tendency to throw curveballs once in a while. I'm not saying that I'm right, I'm simply saying that I can conceive of a situation where issues may arise.Maybe you can't. Maybe you're 100% right or maybe you simply don't have much in the way of life experiences. All I can say is that you don't seem to be that empathetic and that this is all rather unpleasant.



    You haven't got a point.

    Everyone in the whole of the UK were told in advance that benefits were to be capped for subsequent children over a stipulated amount & it was done prior to years prior to the conception of those children & now you want to whine about it & get on the bandwagon of those who ignored the warnings?

    Though luck. Everyone knows if you speed & get caught you are fined. Everyone who commits fraud is likely to get convicted & anyone who punches anyone in the face either gets assault, abh, gbh or manslaughter.

    The Government gave good notice about the repercussions of additional children (ie if you have a certain amount your benefits will be capped). What is your problem with that?

    Oh, I know what it is.... Some women are incapable of abiding by the law & just want to open up & have more babies.. .
    Then more fool them & if they manage their money properly then things will be fine. Now stop talking about women in a way that describes then as not being intelligent enough to work it out.

    Nearly every single woman I have met in my life knows exactly what they are doing.

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    fivegoldstars

    Are you confusing the benefit cap with the proposed Tax Credits cuts?



    Nope. Dont think so. Please explain.
    Edited by: "YouDontWantToKnow" 7th Nov 2016

    YouDontWantToKnow

    You haven't got a point.Everyone in the whole of the UK were told in … You haven't got a point.Everyone in the whole of the UK were told in advance that benefits were to be capped for subsequent children over a stipulated amount & it was done prior to years prior to the conception of those children & now you want to whine about it & get on the bandwagon of those who ignored the warnings?Though luck. Everyone knows if you speed & get caught you are fined. Everyone who commits fraud is likely to get convicted & anyone who punches anyone in the face either gets assault, abh, gbh or manslaughter. The Government gave good notice about the repercussions of additional children (ie if you have a certain amount your benefits will be capped). What is your problem with that? Oh, I know what it is.... Some women are incapable of abiding by the law & just want to open up & have more babies.. .Then more fool them & if they manage their money properly then things will be fine. Now stop talking about women in a way that describes then as not being intelligent enough to work it out.Nearly every single woman I have met in my life knows exactly what they are doing.


    Aahhh...you are confusing the benefits cap with the proposed Tax Credits changes.

    YouDontWantToKnow

    You haven't got a point.Everyone in the whole of the UK were told in … You haven't got a point.Everyone in the whole of the UK were told in advance that benefits were to be capped for subsequent children over a stipulated amount & it was done prior to years prior to the conception of those children & now you want to whine about it & get on the bandwagon of those who ignored the warnings?Though luck. Everyone knows if you speed & get caught you are fined. Everyone who commits fraud is likely to get convicted & anyone who punches anyone in the face either gets assault, abh, gbh or manslaughter. The Government gave good notice about the repercussions of additional children (ie if you have a certain amount your benefits will be capped). What is your problem with that? Oh, I know what it is.... Some women are incapable of abiding by the law & just want to open up & have more babies.. .Then more fool them & if they manage their money properly then things will be fine. Now stop talking about women in a way that describes then as not being intelligent enough to work it out.Nearly every single woman I have met in my life knows exactly what they are doing.



    Maybe you want to take a breath, calm down and go back and read my original point. That's all the advice I can offer because I think anything else would be a waste of time with you.

    coathanger

    Here's the bad news.If you're a non working single parent, your children … Here's the bad news.If you're a non working single parent, your children will not have the luxuries in life of a child with working parents.That is straight forward enough, except many single parents feel that to be unfair. What antagonises those who struggle in work, are single parents who claim hardship, but smoke, have a nice mobile, go out drinking at weekends, and use their own parents as cheap childminders.Clearly those are the exception, but we all know of someone that fits that description. Single parentage has become for many, an opportunity to bypass work, to gain an otherwise unobtainable independence from their own parents. A short cut.The sympathy must lay with the separated parent from a fickle partner. This can also mean a father legally evicted due to the improper behaviour of a mother who has parental care. If one parent can have it all, as is the case in the current system, then that merely encourages irresponsibility. Limiting rewards, for single parent in that position, can only be a positive move.


    Have you any 'good news' for once coathanger?
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