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"Soldiers should get paid more than footballers..."

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Found 2nd Feb 2012
What are your views on this Statement?

And apology for the long paragraph.

Personally i disagree with that statement...My reasons for this is because i believe practically anyone can be a solider where as it takes talent to be a footballer. (No i don't really follow football that much Nor do i have anything against soldiers)...Also i think that if soldiers got paid...Lets say a reasonable large salary but far off from footballers... £40,000 apart from the usual £17,000+, i'd say thousands more people would be signing up to be a solider but for all the wrong reasons...If their salary was of a high amount, i don't think people would think be joining to protect and serve their Country, i believe they would be just in for it for the money...Because yes training may be hard at times but it is certainly passable for a lot of people. One more reason why i disagree with this statement is because Football is a private establishment, ie they are not given money from the government, where as Soldiers pay is all through the government/MoD...Just imagine the government paying soldiers footballers wages, the country's money would last one day...

Sorry to bore you with my probably not 100% correct/clear information, but someone said the line today and i just thought about it but didn't want to get into a debate with them...

To say again i do not have anything against Soldiers or Footballers, and as some of yous will know i want to join the Armed Forces myself.
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no chance , total waste of tax payers millions/billions
realblender

Pay teachers more



I'm a recently retired teacher, the best thing to do would be give us an extra day off a week for lesson prep/assessment/marking. I was happy with teaching pay but the time involved in marking 120 books a day made early retirement an easy decision.

I believe footballers pay is directly related to the income they potentially bring their company, I just wish the amounts paid didn't go to people who are often terrible role models and crass individuals.

The women who stick by them (and their pay cheques) are worse though. What woman would stick with a partner who repeatedly used prostitutes in a way that the whole country found out about it? Coleen Rooney must be pretty desperate.
cdm22

If you have a problem with how much you are going to be paid by being a … If you have a problem with how much you are going to be paid by being a soldier then don't sign up would be my answer. It also annoys me when you get something on the news every time a soldier dies....what about firefighters? nurses? teachers? Hell, anyone else?!


I don't think many soldiers have the attitude about they should get paid more than footballers i think its more to do with the people that have nothing to do with the forces at all. Well that's just what i think.
tinkerbell28

Depends. See with soldier, I can see from the tags you are referring to … Depends. See with soldier, I can see from the tags you are referring to all armed forces personel across all 4 forces, a pet hate.See soldiers are in the army. Marines, well....air men and women in the RAF, and sea men or women in the Navy.Soldiers yes, pretty much anyone can be one, if you are fit enough and the pay is crap. However the pay is a lot higher and the training, aptitude, and acceptance tougher for specialists. Which no not everyone can do. 40k is small fry, in the right position.


About the tags, they already put themselves from one of my previous posts...I added the end footballer one at the end but yeah i was suppose to be referring to Infantry soldiers in the Army but all works out the same
dylanjb100

I don't think many soldiers have the attitude about they should get paid … I don't think many soldiers have the attitude about they should get paid more than footballers i think its more to do with the people that have nothing to do with the forces at all. Well that's just what i think.



Fair enough No to more money, yes to more help when they leave the forces as quite a few end up on the streets due to not being able to reintegrate back into the 'normal' world.
How about cut footballers wages??
I dont get it why would you risk your limbs and life for 17,000. Seriously have you seen the soldiers who have come back from combat with missing limbs and with Posttraumatic Stress Disorder.

The recruits are usually teenagers they shouldn’t be allowed to join with out their parents’ consent.

Also why dont we see the presidents or prime ministers children joining these wars.
cdm22

Fair enough No to more money, yes to more help when they leave the … Fair enough No to more money, yes to more help when they leave the forces as quite a few end up on the streets due to not being able to reintegrate back into the 'normal' world.


"Civilian life" is term we use
360baby

I dont get it why would you risk your limbs and life for 17,000. … I dont get it why would you risk your limbs and life for 17,000. Seriously have you seen the soldiers who have come back from combat with missing limbs and with Posttraumatic Stress Disorder.The recruits are usually teenagers they shouldn’t be allowed to join with out their parents’ consent.Also why dont we see the presidents or prime ministers children joining these wars.



They go to top unis or get internships in top companies, why would they want to join the forces? Blair's drunkard son got a job working on movies iirc
I think there might be more support for "footballers should be paid less than soldiers".
360baby

I dont get it why would you risk your limbs and life for 17,000. … I dont get it why would you risk your limbs and life for 17,000. Seriously have you seen the soldiers who have come back from combat with missing limbs and with Posttraumatic Stress Disorder.The recruits are usually teenagers they shouldn’t be allowed to join with out their parents’ consent.Also why dont we see the presidents or prime ministers children joining these wars.



Well they need consent up untill 18 then even though they still are a teenager, They are classed as adults aswell, since now they can form contracts and agreements themselves. And the presidents/ prime ministers, children may not want to be in the forces and are too young...But the queens grandchildren have, Wills has gone to the Falklands today, or yesterday and Harry has done a tour or 2 of Afghanistan
tonyhawk

They go to top unis or get internships in top companies, why would they … They go to top unis or get internships in top companies, why would they want to join the forces? Blair's drunkard son got a job working on movies iirc



They are happy to send the publics children but not their own
ahmed123

How about cut footballers wages??


What would that achieve?
dylanjb100

Well they need consent up untill 18 then even though they still are a … Well they need consent up untill 18 then even though they still are a teenager, They are classed as adults aswell, since now they can form contracts and agreements themselves. And the presidents/ prime ministers, children may not want to be in the forces and are too young...But the queens grandchildren have, Wills has gone to the Falklands today, or yesterday and Harry has done a tour or 2 of Afghanistan



I have seen harry on the news but were the princes involved in combat or were they safely hidden? Even cheryl cole has been to afghanistan
dylanjb100

What would that achieve?



Equality
dylanjb100

What would that achieve?



Only corruption as footballers will start taking bribes, for eg cricket low wages
360baby

I have seen harry on the news but were the princes involved in combat or … I have seen harry on the news but were the princes involved in combat or were they safely hidden? Even cheryl cole has been to afghanistan


From just looking at the photos on google looks like he was in the combat, and i think he may be going out again this year, but as an apache pilot
ahmed123

How about cut footballers wages??



this ^^^^^^ how they can demand that amount of wages just for prancing around for 90 mins on a field is beyond me, over-paid, over-rated prima donnas ! go back to the days when it was a privilege to play for your club & country.
dylanjb100

What would that achieve?



it'll make me feel happier & a lot of other people that put in hard days graft !
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whatsThePoint

sack all soldiers then hire mercenaries as and when needed


We have the worlds finest Mercs in the Gurkhas already.

No soldiers (an ex soldier myself) shouldn't be paid more the footballers, it's a ridiculous comparison to begin with. Football clubs are privately owned an funded, so owners/chairmen can pay what they wish. Soldiers should be paid more than they are currently though.
Paddy_o_furniture

We have the worlds finest Mercs in the Gurkhas already.No soldiers (an ex … We have the worlds finest Mercs in the Gurkhas already.No soldiers (an ex soldier myself) shouldn't be paid more the footballers, it's a ridiculous comparison to begin with. Football clubs are privately owned an funded, so owners/chairmen can pay what they wish. Soldiers should be paid more than they are currently though.


What would you say the salary should be, just for a low ranking squaddy?
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dylanjb100

What would you say the salary should be, just for a low ranking squaddy?


£26k or so same as the national average.
"Life's unfair"...Discuss...

I'm no expert but this is a capitalist system, not a system which rewards the most deserving person (necessarily). If you are going to complain about aspects of the system then why not change the whole system. Come up with a better system or get lost!

Oh and as reluctant as I am to indulge in the example in this topic what is fair about a footballer who 'gives up' a lot of their childhood to make it....someone like Frank Lampard out running 10 miles at the age of 12...only to receive little reward for it. Let's face it- we all had the opportunity to be great at sports if we put the effort in. I didn't put the effort in and I don't get those rewards. Even Titus Bramble made it.

Paddy_o_furniture

£26k or so same as the national average.


That's the figure i had.
what a daft thread!

OP posts a statement in the title then disagrees with himself in the description



I would imagine there are a hell of a lot of people in this country who do not earn the national average wage, so why soldiers?
csiman

what a daft thread!OP posts a statement in the title then disagrees with … what a daft thread!OP posts a statement in the title then disagrees with himself in the description:)


What a stupid comment, if you hadn't realised i put them in converted commas. Therefore initially meaning its something thats been said.

May want to read this...Wiki
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cdm22

I would imagine there are a hell of a lot of people in this country who … I would imagine there are a hell of a lot of people in this country who do not earn the national average wage, so why soldiers?


For the job they do, the fact they aren't eligible for NMW, they can be away from home for several months a year, the fact they can work 18+ hour days.
dylanjb100

What a stupid comment, if you hadn't realised i put them in converted … What a stupid comment, if you hadn't realised i put them in converted commas. Therefore initially meaning its something thats been said.May want to read this...Wiki


at least when you fail, you fail big time! I do enjoy your threads for a good laugh.
csiman

at least when you fail, you fail big time! I do enjoy your threads for a … at least when you fail, you fail big time! I do enjoy your threads for a good laugh.


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You know, I could easily write a 5000 word economics essay despite being 15 years old but I will sum up the reasons why Footballers are paid more than Soldiers.

Basically, wage rate is determined by supply and demand of that occupation. Take Demba Ba for example. There is only one of him, so clubs will pay any amount of money for him (within reason). There are only very few outstanding football players in this world, so supply is low and demand is high so the wage rate has to be set at a high rate (VERY inelastic demand and supply). Soldiers on the other hand, are plentiful on the labour market especially in these conditions because not much training and time (which has an opportunity cost) is required to become a soldier, so many people are willing to become one (elastic supply). The government is demanding a small amount of soldiers compared to the number that are willing to become soldiers, so the government can get away with paying soldiers at a low pay rate, because people will still want to be a soldier despite the conditions. The public sector in general has a low wage rate compared to the private sector because the government want to limit inflation as far as possible by keeping the wage rate down. You could however, argue that soldiers should get paid more as compensation for conditions etc, but in short, this would just mess up the market.
We wouldn't have many soldiers if they were on footballers wages.

Our funds are bit tied up in India at the moment. (_;)

360baby

They are happy to send the publics children but not their own



lol your such a moron because firstly you like an xbox 360 and secondly, joining the army is optional, its not the prime minister's problem if bands of teenagers want to risk their lives in afghanistan. The prime minister's children are probably clever enough to know that
Football players only get paid so much as the clubs can afford to pay them that because of all the people who pay to watch. If people would only pay a small amount of money to see a team play then the wages of the footballers would fall. In short, if you watch football then it's your fault!!!
ps3fanboy35

lol your such a moron because firstly you like an xbox 360 and secondly, … lol your such a moron because firstly you like an xbox 360 and secondly, joining the army is optional, its not the prime minister's problem if bands of teenagers want to risk their lives in afghanistan. The prime minister's children are probably clever enough to know that


Your going to get grilled for insinuating that other teenagers wanting to be soldiers are not clever enough to know the risks !
Pointless question. No way it is possible.

Its the clubs that pay the players not the government. If your suggesting we should go over the top of these wages and pay players £100,000 a week then that would create a wage bill in the armed forces of £1,040,000,000,000 oO. That figure just on soldiers wages assuming there is 200,000 members of the armed forces. (just a rough guess)


Edited by: "jonny619447" 2nd Feb 2012
jonny619447

Pointless question. No way it is possible. Its the clubs that pay the … Pointless question. No way it is possible. Its the clubs that pay the players not the government. If your suggesting we should go over the top of these wages and pay players £100,000 a week then that would create a wage bill in the armed forces of £1,040,000,000,000 oO. That figure just on soldiers wages assuming there is 200,000 members of the armed forces. (just a rough guess)


im not suggesting any of those things !
dylanjb100

Your going to get grilled for insinuating that other teenagers wanting to … Your going to get grilled for insinuating that other teenagers wanting to be soldiers are not clever enough to know the risks !



Its the truth or they do know but its better than being unemployed.
jonny619447

Pointless question. No way it is possible. Its the clubs that pay the … Pointless question. No way it is possible. Its the clubs that pay the players not the government. If your suggesting we should go over the top of these wages and pay players £100,000 a week then that would create a wage bill in the armed forces of £1,040,000,000,000 oO. That figure just on soldiers wages assuming there is 200,000 members of the armed forces. (just a rough guess)



dont want to agree with a united fan but this ^^ lol
numptyj

dont want to agree with a united fan but this ^^ lol


What part are you agreeing with?

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