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    Can recommend a reasonable speed camera detector - having just had the pleasure of receiving 3 points for doing 32 in a 30 I'm now a little paranoid.

    Was thinking of either the Inforad or the Snooper anyone have any experience of either system?

    TIA

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    Road Angel by a mile mate - saved me a few times !

    32 in a 30 is just a joke though !!!!!

    I find 32 in a 30 limit difficult to believe.:roll:

    I thought there was a marin of error in the measurements taken by speed cameras that meant you couldn't get done for 32 in a 30 (10% margin of error IIRC). Of course this is all based on urban myths and hearsay.

    tinkerbell28;6460522

    I thought it was 10% or is that wrong so you only get points for 33, or … I thought it was 10% or is that wrong so you only get points for 33, or is that a myth I have heard.



    +1

    I've always thought if you were within 10% of the limit you wouldn't get a ticket :?

    You weren't doing 32 to get points

    It should be 10% + 1, but it's at the discretion of the police force

    ChrisUK;6460656

    It should be 10% + 1, but it's at the discretion of the police force



    Its actually ACPO guidlines 10% + 2mph, they will need a damn good reason for bringing action.


    To OP

    If it was a speed camera it would not have flashed you at 32mph.

    If it was a police officer they would not have stopped you for going 32mph.

    I think your talking out of your bum my friend.

    Original Poster

    midlandscomics;6460537

    +1 I've always thought if you were within 10% of the limit you wouldn't … +1 I've always thought if you were within 10% of the limit you wouldn't get a ticket :?



    Don't rely on it - actually I thought this too. Apparently they can have a zero tolerance if they want, you have to argue against it in court. It maybe that the area is being targeted at the moment, as I drive through central/south London - I never actually think there's much point in speeding in this area, you're just up against another bus in a minute's time, but my momentary lapse....

    I've had a clean licence until this and don't really want to bump my premium up any further.

    stiffnuts;6460708

    Its actually ACPO guidlines 10% + 2mph, they will need a damn good reason … Its actually ACPO guidlines 10% + 2mph, they will need a damn good reason for bringing action.To OPIf it was a speed camera it would not have flashed you at 32mph.If it was a police officer they would not have stopped you for going 32mph.I think your talking out of your bum my friend.



    +1....and for future information...the 10% is to allow for speedometer inaccuracy.....so going 10% above is not legal...technically goin 2mph above is :whistling:

    Sybarite;6460715

    Don't rely on it - actually I thought this too. Apparently they can have … Don't rely on it - actually I thought this too. Apparently they can have a zero tolerance if they want, you have to argue against it in court. It maybe that the area is being targeted at the moment, as I drive through central/south London - I never actually think there's much point in speeding in this area, you're just up against another bus in a minute's time, but my momentary lapse....I've had a clean licence until this and don't really want to bump my premium up any further.



    They need a good reason to go against acpo guidlines, a JP will want to know why it has been bought against ACPO guidlines.

    Original Poster

    lil_tiger;6460735

    +1....and for future information...the 10% is to allow for speedometer … +1....and for future information...the 10% is to allow for speedometer inaccuracy.....so going 10% above is not legal...technically goin 2mph above is :whistling:



    It's part of the reason for my asking for a recommendation, my car is a 'classic' with appropriate insurance, so the speedo isn't spot on.

    I'm pretty sure the paperwork said the speed quoted - to go off subject - but i could be wrong, will check when i get home, it certainly wasn't 40 if you see what I mean, at which point I'd expect a ticket, with good reason. The zero tolerance thing was advise given by the Met btw, I'm not an authority by any means, just reiterating what i was told.

    Sybarite;6460804

    It's part of the reason for my asking for a recommendation, my car is a … It's part of the reason for my asking for a recommendation, my car is a 'classic' with appropriate insurance, so the speedo isn't spot on. I'm pretty sure the paperwork said the speed quoted - to go off subject - but i could be wrong, will check when i get home, it certainly wasn't 40 if you see what I mean, at which point I'd expect a ticket, with good reason. The zero tolerance thing was advise given by the Met btw, I'm not an authority by any means, just reiterating what i was told.



    Get a sat Nav will tell you what speed your doing, although there is no reason why your car shouldn't be telling you the correct speed no matter how old it is, if its not right or outside of the error margin then your car is not roadworthy.

    Sybarite;6460804

    It's part of the reason for my asking for a recommendation, my car is a … It's part of the reason for my asking for a recommendation, my car is a 'classic' with appropriate insurance, so the speedo isn't spot on.



    If you know the speedo is off I would suggest you get it looked at or even just drive accordingly....:whistling:

    as said more than enough times already...I doubt the paperwork will say 32....and if it does then I would call into the police station, say your sure you were doing bang on 30 and ask if there is any leniency for speedo inaccuracies :whistling: (they SHOULD tell you about the 10%, realise you were within that and advice accordingly)
    however like I said, I dont think the camera would have caught you for going 2mph above :thumbsup:

    Just to add another bit of urban legend here ... but I thought it was an offence to have inaccurate speedometer?!

    andersh;6460988

    Just to add another bit of urban legend here ... but I thought it was an … Just to add another bit of urban legend here ... but I thought it was an offence to have inaccurate speedometer?!



    not sure.....I dont think the speedo is mentioned in the MOT is it? and I thought every car with a valid MOT is roadworthy (until something invalidates it or obviously breaks)

    Might be usefull to find out I guess.....

    32 MPH in a 30 ZONE

    2 miles over......thats wrong, and i know it is as i got a warning for a 33mph and was told if i would have been doing 34mph it was a 3 points and a fine....

    i'd so protest and fight for my rights.....your suppose to look at the road, not the speedometer to see is your going to go over 2mph...RIDICULOUS

    Your premium prob won't be affected by 3 points, insurance companies more or less expect you to have them these days.

    Back on the subject, a sat nav will help as the speedo is more accurate and digital so you have a much clearer idea of your speed. I have a Garmin 255W which does the job

    3 points for 32mph is well out of order

    taurus_the_bull;6461487

    32 MPH in a 30 ZONE2 miles over......thats wrong, and i know it is as i … 32 MPH in a 30 ZONE2 miles over......thats wrong, and i know it is as i got a warning for a 33mph and was told if i would have been doing 34mph it was a 3 points and a fine....i'd so protest and fight for my rights.....your suppose to look at the road, not the speedometer to see is your going to go over 2mph...RIDICULOUS



    You are actually supposed to look at both.;-)

    Original Poster

    Knew this would be a can of worms...

    To return to the topic (rather than when you get a ticket, bit post-the-event) in hand does anyone have any experience of the camera detection systems? I have a tom tom, but i don't leave it in the car for obvious reasons. I'm interested in something that can be left ibehind and that's reasonably discrete?

    I leave mine in the car - hardwired it in.

    It's the Road Angel compact......

    GPS speed as well, so I take that as gospel & dont even look at my Speedo.

    Original Poster

    ChrisUK;6461994

    I leave mine in the car - hardwired it in.It's the Road Angel … I leave mine in the car - hardwired it in.It's the Road Angel compact......GPS speed as well, so I take that as gospel & dont even look at my Speedo.



    Thanks, Fleabay have these for £50 so seems ok. How do you find the camera updates, reliable or not. I notice there's a laser detector available as an extra, have you given this a try too?

    Amazon users give it mixed reviews and as with all these devices you never seems to be able to tell if the updates are bundled or you have to pay the subscription. (with inforad you don't and Snooper seems to have ditched their subscription too)

    Updates are via sub - as with all Road Angels (See blackspot.com for rates, I paid £99 for 3 years worth).

    Laser detector is pants. If the Road Angel detects a laser, your speed has already been clocked.....

    lil_tiger;6461010

    not sure.....I dont think the speedo is mentioned in the MOT is it? and I … not sure.....I dont think the speedo is mentioned in the MOT is it? and I thought every car with a valid MOT is roadworthy (until something invalidates it or obviously breaks)Might be usefull to find out I guess.....

    askthe.police.uk/con…htm
    Might be of use to some: limiter-happy.co.uk/spe…htm

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    Check my thread.

    andersh;6460988

    Just to add another bit of urban legend here ... but I thought it was an … Just to add another bit of urban legend here ... but I thought it was an offence to have inaccurate speedometer?!



    It's an offence for it to underread, most speedometers will overread slightly to avoid them ever underreading such as when different wheels have been fitted.

    John

    ChrisUK;6466197

    Laser detector is pants. If the Road Angel detects a laser, your speed … Laser detector is pants. If the Road Angel detects a laser, your speed has already been clocked.....



    Very true unfortunately and this shows one of the main problems with speed camera detectors - laser systems can pick your speed up from up to a kilometre away and in a fraction of a second, long before you ever see the van/car (if at all). Additionally as these systems are mobile and working from a different spot each day either the detector will report all their locations or none of them meaning you're going to get warned constantly and ignore or not at all. This type of set up is the most common one for catching people as even without a speed detector you can often spot a fixed camera but bar a helpful driver flashing you, you'll probably never spot a mobile laser system in time.

    With regard to your 32 in a 30, I assume this was a roadside pull rather than an automated camera therefore a camera detector probably wouldn't have helped there either. It is unusual to be caught at this speed though, unless you've accepted the FPN it's well worth your time looking for advice on forums.pepipoo.com

    John

    No way were you doing 32mph, anything under 35mph wont be flashed.

    tallpete33;6461633

    Your premium prob won't be affected by 3 points, insurance companies more … Your premium prob won't be affected by 3 points, insurance companies more or less expect you to have them these days. Back on the subject, a sat nav will help as the speedo is more accurate and digital so you have a much clearer idea of your speed. I have a Garmin 255W which does the job3 points for 32mph is well out of order



    I got 3 points about 6 years ago. Put £100 on my next premium and although you have the points taken off your licence after 3 years you have to delcare them to insurance companies for 5 years. Stupid I know.

    On our last prom day here there was a Police stand with one of the mobile camera vans on. I went in the van and had a tour and chat with one of the dudes who catches speeders. I know for round here anything under 34 won't be flashed - he said it would be 10% of the speed + 1. But that's just here..

    stewby;6479145

    I got 3 points about 6 years ago. Put £100 on my next premium and … I got 3 points about 6 years ago. Put £100 on my next premium and although you have the points taken off your licence after 3 years you have to delcare them to insurance companies for 5 years. Stupid I know.



    That was six years ago though, for many people currently insurance companies aren't too bothered about a three point SP30 offence (three points for a red light offence is treated more seriously though) as there's so many speed cameras out there now many people are caught. The figure I recall seeing is that since labour have come into power, the number of speed cameras has increased ten times over.

    John

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    Johnmcl7;6479926

    That was six years ago though, for many people currently insurance … That was six years ago though, for many people currently insurance companies aren't too bothered about a three point SP30 offence (three points for a red light offence is treated more seriously though) as there's so many speed cameras out there now many people are caught. The figure I recall seeing is that since labour have come into power, the number of speed cameras has increased ten times over.



    Surely speed cameras are controlled by local councils? I know my own came under fire for placing a camera at a bus lane, which deliberately was marked so you couldn't turn left at the junction until you were right there (even though the lane was always clear and you'd have been queuing before a set of lights for about 10 minutes as well!)

    guv;6480047

    Surely speed cameras are controlled by local councils? I know my own came … Surely speed cameras are controlled by local councils? I know my own came under fire for placing a camera at a bus lane, which deliberately was marked so you couldn't turn left at the junction until you were right there (even though the lane was always clear and you'd have been queuing before a set of lights for about 10 minutes as well!)



    The exact legality of the different parts of a safety camera partnership (who make up the bulk of manned speed cameras) is not always clear although they're pretty much allowed to park where they want, the position of the van is entirely irrelevent to any speeding offence they capture.

    John
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