Star Wars - The Last Jedi Discussion thread.. SPOLIER ALERT DO NOT ENTER IF NOT YET SEEN!!

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Was not impressed, was like a badly made kids film. Nothing flowed, the force was weak.

The only one I enjoyed was Rouge One, The one the year before that was awful also
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Original Poster
I'll start off by saying I did really enjoy the film, although it left more questions than answers tbh...

1- Were Rey's parents really nobodies or was Kylo trying to get her onto His side of the force?

2- How the hell did Leia survive space with her newly found "flying" force powers


3- Who was DJ and was he a set-up by the First Order

4- Was Snoke the "Prime Jedi" depicted in the mosaic on the floor of the Jedi Temple


and finally for me

5- Did the stable boy at the end use "the Force" to bring the broom to his hands before sweeping up while looking to the stars?
1, they left it open for episode 9
2, yes, I thought that too but if you accept the force this is not too much of a stretch.
3, felt like they re-wrote the story, bit of a plot gap.
4, could be
5, yes he did.
Original Poster
seen this on CInema Blend

cinemablend.com/new…e=2

Answers about the stable boy and the fact that the Force is wide reaching and open to anyone "not just the Skywalker family" as Kylo said
Was not impressed, was like a badly made kids film. Nothing flowed, the force was weak.

The only one I enjoyed was Rouge One, The one the year before that was awful also
arcangel11152 m ago

I'll start off by saying I did really enjoy the film, although it left …I'll start off by saying I did really enjoy the film, although it left more questions than answers tbh...1- Were Rey's parents really nobodies or was Kylo trying to get her onto His side of the force?2- How the hell did Leia survive space with her newly found "flying" force powers3- Who was DJ and was he a set-up by the First Order4- Was Snoke the "Prime Jedi" depicted in the mosaic on the floor of the Jedi Templeand finally for me 5- Did the stable boy at the end use "the Force" to bring the broom to his hands before sweeping up while looking to the stars?



I think Rey’s parents were nobodies. Seems to be Disney’s attempt to now begin moving away from the Skywalker family.

The way I interpreted the Leia scene is that if those with the force can pull objects towards them, why can’t they pull themselves towards an object? We saw lots of different powers never seen before but I have noticed people seem more concerned with this one for some reason. I mean, Luke fought Kylo while both were on different planets, Yoda summoned lightning from the sky and Kylo and Rey were able to project themselves in front of each other and touch too. Leia is strong with the force as we all know from ROTJ. She just didn’t want to be a Jedi. She probably knows how to control it and isn’t like Rey.

DJ just seemed like a new “bounty hunter” although is more of a con artist with no allegiances. Probably escaped before the ship blew up. I don’t think he was set up.

The snoke thing did bother me as we’ve been waiting to find out who he is and where he came feom and we got nothing. Plus, he died more or less the same way as Darth Maul yet Darth Maul didn’t die and Snoke did.

The stable boy definitely used the force. Hinting at a new generation of Jedi could be trained. Again, I just think it’s Disney preparing to expand and milk Star Wars until it’s dry.

This new trilogy is setting up future films while finishing off the story arc of the ones we all knew and loved I think. The Last Jedi was perfect at rounding off Luke’s story and he tied up loose ends before dying in peace. The Yoda scene hit me in the feels. It has “crazy Yoda” and it’s funny moments but it was so heartwarming to see the little guy again and his and Luke’s relationship was the same as it was previously. The Yoda theme music really helped it too.

There is a lot of hate online about this film at the moment but I loved it. It was much better than Force Awakens I think.
Edited by: "Biddy2" 16th Dec 2017
Original Poster
Rey and Kylo being brought together was Snoke's doing and the force projection is a new power Luke must've come up with. I knew something was amiss when he just waltzed into the cave like he'd always been there.. with a haircut the same as the one in the flashbacks I might add! so it wasn't much of a surprise when he wasn't cut down like obi-wan. I am hoping to see Luke as a force ghost in ep IX helping Rey complete her training because no way was the couple of lessons she had enough to turn her into some mighty Jedi Master.

Yoda was a nice surprise ( I didn't see the spoiler by Holly Willabooby) and thought he looked more like the Yoda of ep3 rather than ROTJ

Could DJ be the son of Boba Fett? that was something I'd read somewhere??

Snoke being the Prime Jedi does make sense to me.. if you think that he's seen the rise and fall of the Eempire/Jedi pretty much lost faith in the Jedi like Luke did and - The Prime Jedi was the "First of the Order" ???? doesn't take a to think why Snoke called it the First Order.. ? They might look back on this in epIX

I hope the next one answers and ends a lot of speculation to then begin with a new story for the next trilogy
lumsdot25 m ago

Was not impressed, was like a badly made kids film. Nothing flowed, the …Was not impressed, was like a badly made kids film. Nothing flowed, the force was weak.The only one I enjoyed was Rouge One, The one the year before that was awful also



Star Wars has always been a kid’s film.
arcangel11128 m ago

Rey and Kylo being brought together was Snoke's doing and the force …Rey and Kylo being brought together was Snoke's doing and the force projection is a new power Luke must've come up with. I knew something was amiss when he just waltzed into the cave like he'd always been there.. with a haircut the same as the one in the flashbacks I might add! so it wasn't much of a surprise when he wasn't cut down like obi-wan. I am hoping to see Luke as a force ghost in ep IX helping Rey complete her training because no way was the couple of lessons she had enough to turn her into some mighty Jedi Master. Yoda was a nice surprise ( I didn't see the spoiler by Holly Willabooby) and thought he looked more like the Yoda of ep3 rather than ROTJCould DJ be the son of Boba Fett? that was something I'd read somewhere??Snoke being the Prime Jedi does make sense to me.. if you think that he's seen the rise and fall of the Eempire/Jedi pretty much lost faith in the Jedi like Luke did and - The Prime Jedi was the "First of the Order" ???? doesn't take a to think why Snoke called it the First Order.. ? They might look back on this in epIXI hope the next one answers and ends a lot of speculation to then begin with a new story for the next trilogy



Rey and Kylo continued to be brought together after Snoke died though. Maybe a plot hole?

I genuinely didn’t see the Luke thing coming at the end. I just figured he used his X-Wing to get there which we saw in the water.

Luke will be back for a few scenes as a force ghost. Just to finish the Kylo/Luke/Rey story arc.

You’re probably right about Snoke’s back story. I just think his death was too obvious and didn’t make much sense considering Maul came back from a similar death. He saw all these things too but didn’t see Kylo would turn on him.
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Biddy211 m ago

Rey and Kylo continued to be brought together after Snoke died though. …Rey and Kylo continued to be brought together after Snoke died though. Maybe a plot hole? I genuinely didn’t see the Luke thing coming at the end. I just figured he used his X-Wing to get there which we saw in the water. Luke will be back for a few scenes as a force ghost. Just to finish the Kylo/Luke/Rey story arc. You’re probably right about Snoke’s back story. I just think his death was too obvious and didn’t make much sense considering Maul came back from a similar death. He saw all these things too but didn’t see Kylo would turn on him.



I was hoping that Luke would use the X-Wing to train Rey the way Yoda did for him (can't lift that it's too heavy type line) but I did like the force isn't about moving rocks part

Did you notice the Jedi text books in the Falcon at the end too?
arcangel11137 m ago

I was hoping that Luke would use the X-Wing to train Rey the way Yoda did …I was hoping that Luke would use the X-Wing to train Rey the way Yoda did for him (can't lift that it's too heavy type line) but I did like the force isn't about moving rocks part Did you notice the Jedi text books in the Falcon at the end too?



I missed that part. Only knew about them after reading it online afterwards. Think I was still in shock over Luke dying.

I think Finn should have died when he was flying towards to battering ram gun thing. It would have been a fitting end I think.

Also, had Rose not done what she did, Luke would still be here as he wouldn’t have had to face Kylo. It’s like Transformers the movie all over again. I have to hate Rose like I hate Hot Rod now.

I know, I know. The message of the film was about love and that everyone is special, not just certain people, but still. Luke would still be alive dammit
Rey parent being nobodies was another tick in the box for her being similar to Vader than Kylo. Although I do think they've mad it too obvious to actually do the switch-a-roo in Episode 9.

That the force is deserved, passed down pre-ordained like royalty was the point I think. It isn't, it can be in anyone. Kylo believes himself more deserving because of his blood line. It doesn't matter who you are, where you're from, you can be anyone, anything you want to be. It was subtly echoed in Finn and Rose's bravery late on. I enjoyed the way it subverted viewer expectation too. Even now a lot of us are supposing it's a lie, she HAS to be Obi Wan's niece or something!! It was a cool move. Credit to them.

I liked Luke's death, I notice he spirited away the same way Obi Wan does in A New Hope. Does that mean Anakin DIDN'T kill Obi Wan. That even at the end Obi Wan didn't give him the satisfaction!?! Awesome.
Edited by: "Krooner" 16th Dec 2017
Biddy21 h, 57 m ago

I just think his death was too obvious and didn’t make much sense c …I just think his death was too obvious and didn’t make much sense considering Maul came back from a similar death.

Money brought Maul back. I think hes second to only Vader in terms of merch sales, them double edged sabers print money. I'd imagine we'll see him back in the main series or a standalone, they can't ignore that action figure forever.

I think Snoke knew what was coming, Kylo killing his surrogate father as wall as his actual one, does sort of complete his training I suppose. I think we'll see him again... In fact thinking about it, they did go out of their way to show machines repairing Kylo's scar. Perhaps the same machines can knit Snoke back together??
Edited by: "Krooner" 16th Dec 2017
Porgs are money grabbers and if taken out of the film would literally make no difference to the story imho
iCoxyyyy49 m ago

Porgs are money grabbers and if taken out of the film would literally make …Porgs are money grabbers and if taken out of the film would literally make no difference to the story imho



You could take loads out and it wouldn’t make a difference to the film. They were handled well in my opinion. They really weren’t that intrusive.

Krooner6 h, 5 m ago

Money brought Maul back. I think hes second to only Vader in terms of …Money brought Maul back. I think hes second to only Vader in terms of merch sales, them double edged sabers print money. I'd imagine we'll see him back in the main series or a standalone, they can't ignore that action figure forever. I think Snoke knew what was coming, Kylo killing his surrogate father as wall as his actual one, does sort of complete his training I suppose. I think we'll see him again... In fact thinking about it, they did go out of their way to show machines repairing Kylo's scar. Perhaps the same machines can knit Snoke back together??



I thought Maul is dead again now though? Obi Wan killed him in Rebels. I’d definitely love to see a standalone with him though. Having said that, I’ve always felt Vader needed a standalone too.

I don’t think Snoke will be back. I read someone’s theory that Snoke actually didn’t know Kylo would betray him and he also wasn’t the one that connected Rey and Kylo together like he believed. They thought that Kylo was actually behind the connection (hence why they still connect near the end) and he manipulated Rey so he could kill Snoke and take his place. I think that makes a lot of sense. To become better than Vader, he had to do what Vader never could and that was take out his own master so he could rule the galaxy.
although i was not a fan of the film, Laura Dern was the high point.
iCoxyyyy1 h, 2 m ago

Porgs are money grabbers and if taken out of the film would literally make …Porgs are money grabbers and if taken out of the film would literally make no difference to the story imho


Yup. Already got one wrapped up for Xmas
30 minutes wasted on a pointless trip to the casino planet.
WTF was that all about?

Also, just how many transports launched from that cruiser? seemed one was being blown up every few seconds, over a course of many minutes.
Seeing as there were 400 rebels across 3 ships, and loads of transports got destroyed, how did they land enough of a force onto that mineral planet for the fake-Hoth battle?

Terrible film but somewhat better than episode 7 though.
miikeyblue16th Dec 2017

Yup. Already got one wrapped up for Xmas


I already got a Pop Vinyl and a t-shirt

Proving my own point
I cant believe snoke was jar jar
lumsdot1 h, 24 m ago

although i was not a fan of the film, Laura Dern was the high point.


....that she was
Bestard3 h, 4 m ago

30 minutes wasted on a pointless trip to the casino planet.WTF was that …30 minutes wasted on a pointless trip to the casino planet.WTF was that all about?Also, just how many transports launched from that cruiser? seemed one was being blown up every few seconds, over a course of many minutes.Seeing as there were 400 rebels across 3 ships, and loads of transports got destroyed, how did they land enough of a force onto that mineral planet for the fake-Hoth battle?Terrible film but somewhat better than episode 7 though.


I think the whole casino planet was amongst other causes a nod to animal welfare
Still say they got a long way to go to get anywhere near the original three films.
Bestard3 h, 7 m ago

30 minutes wasted on a pointless trip to the casino planet.WTF was that …30 minutes wasted on a pointless trip to the casino planet.WTF was that all about?Also, just how many transports launched from that cruiser? seemed one was being blown up every few seconds, over a course of many minutes.Seeing as there were 400 rebels across 3 ships, and loads of transports got destroyed, how did they land enough of a force onto that mineral planet for the fake-Hoth battle?Terrible film but somewhat better than episode 7 though.


Agree originally i think they said 30 and i am sure at one point after a few were destroyed some more magically appeared.
How will they handle Rey if she has a dabble on the dark side and what role can skywalker play in the next film.I thought the boy wearing the ring sunmoned the broom to his hand was a nice touch.
Edited by: "archer1204" 17th Dec 2017
The whole Snoke thing preferred when he was a large hologram rather than in that gold dressing gown supposedly a nod to the heff.Also it was a nice tribute to Carrie gone too soon.
Bestard3 h, 26 m ago

30 minutes wasted on a pointless trip to the casino planet.WTF was that …30 minutes wasted on a pointless trip to the casino planet.WTF was that all about?Also, just how many transports launched from that cruiser? seemed one was being blown up every few seconds, over a course of many minutes.Seeing as there were 400 rebels across 3 ships, and loads of transports got destroyed, how did they land enough of a force onto that mineral planet for the fake-Hoth battle?Terrible film but somewhat better than episode 7 though.


Saw it a few hours ago.
Yeah the casino detour felt a bit pointless in the end, apart from giving Finn a nice way to end his feud with his former boss (that face-off dialogue was very cringeworthy though).
It felt like they wrote it in just to make a few statements about war-profiteering.
Not sure why they gave Del Toro a stutter apart from an artificial way to give him some more character.
As money-spinners go they could've done worse than the porgs, didn't find them annoying at all. They're certainly no jarjar bloody binks!
I swear the crystal dogs are like something out of pokemon though.
Leia surviving space-exposure would actually be possible (at least for a little while)
science.howstuffworks.com/que…htm

Overall I liked it, thought it could've been a bit shorter - I lost track of the number of times I was expecting the credits to roll. Was surprisingly funny too.
..Might have to watch it again to digest it better :)..
It was ok. A bit too slapstick for my liking. Not as enjoyable as Rogue One! Had high hopes after the press hype saying this was a more gritty movie. It was anything but.
The best bit about porgs when chewy was just about to eat a roasted one
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here is another good one
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Yesterday I thought the film was ok. Today I'll say it's rather bad ...
The only good and breathtaking scene was the hyperdrive shot
Leila in space ... Wtf
Luke might as well not be there
Ben and ray Vs the guard was just way too bloody choreographed .And those martial art poses were like cheap karate film.
It's good to know who Snoke was, Ohb wait that's probably going to be explained in episode 6.5, 6.8 and 6.9
We all know that carie fisher is dead ... So I'm guessing Leias death will be explain in the episode 9s .... A long time a go in a galaxy far away part . Honestly they had 3 opportunities to kill her off
Those tiny little birds is of course Disney take on merchandise and kids
Edited by: "mattsk" 17th Dec 2017
So the guy that directed Looper was allowed to direct a star wars movie.
If you ever seen looper you will know what a load of bs it was.
Here's a review from IMDB, sums up a lot of the things I thought about movie.

I saw the first Star Wars movie in theatres when I was seven and have been a lifelong fan ever since. Made I through the prequels and didn't think they were as bad as some have said. Enjoyed TFA and Rogue One. But The Last Jedi is complete garbage. Her is why.... The "main" story centers around a space chase (if you can call it that). The First Order has just tracked the Resistance THROUGH light speed but now that can't catch them at cruising speed. What???????? It gets worse. Their plan is to let them run out of fuel (In approximately 18 hours, keep this in mind) and then catch up with them. What?????? This is what two hours of our movie centers around. In the meantime.... Rey is with Luke who is a grumpy old man who tells her to leave, makes bad jokes, throws his old light sabre aside and goes back and forth from yelling at her to "training" her and ultimately gets beat up by her and then tells her the truth (maybe) about Kylo. So...she rushes off to save him in the middle of the "Space Chase" mentioned above. So I guess she has been trained by Luke in less than 18 hours and now goes off to face Kylo and Snoke.

While this was going on, Finn and Rose leave the "Space Chase" and go to some Casino Planet to find a master decoder and end up with a con man and ultimately get captured by the First Order. Another wasted 30-45 minutes of the movie that did nothing at all to add or advance the story. Meanwhile...

Rey and Kylo fight and the "all powerful" Snoke gets sliced in half by Rey's light sabre that he can't even sense is moving right beside him. Rey and Kylo have a battle with the guards and can barely beat them. The two strongest dark side user of the force cannot beat "guards" without help from Rey????????

Anyway..to wrap things up. Ships get blown up, Leia flies through space. Ships come and go at will during the "Space Chase" but the First Order can't figure out how to have another ship somewhere else in the galaxy come out of light speed "in front of" the Rebel ship so they can destroy it. That is truly mind boggling!!!!! Rebels escape to a nearby planet and get hunted down again. Luke fakes out Kylo in a light sabre dual (probably the only good scene in the movie). Luke dies because ???????? (Really no idea). Rebels escape on the MF and oh yeah, Chewie becomes a vegetarian.

This is the end of Star Wars as we know. It no longer exists. Thank you Disney for destroying the best running series in the history of cinema. You must be proud.
lumsdot19 h, 57 m ago

Thank you Disney for destroying the best running series in the history of …Thank you Disney for destroying the best running series in the history of cinema. You must be proud.



Jar Jar Binks says hi!

TLJ is not a perfect film by any means but it works so brilliantly in my opinion because it's not a classic good vs evil hero trope-fest, and arguably more about the failure of heroes and the legacy they leave, both for the characters and us as an audience. As someone who grew up on the prequels before seeing the OT, I don't have the same affinity with the Skywalkers that others have but it was refreshing to really show that these characters are flawed and capable of really messing up on a significant scale.

Luke was seconds away from committing a horrible crime and has spent the rest of his life running away from that decision until Rey shows up. Poe has caused countless deaths at the start of the film and still has the audacity to believe that only he is capable of saving the day until he is ultimately humbled. Finn is still the coward he was in the first film despite his heroic escapades, just in different contexts. Rey accepts that the dark-side is not something to be feared and that the Jedi are not the heroes the stories suggest they are. Benicio del Toro's character is the only one character who lives and breathes the conflict as a by-stander and does what anyone would do, try to survive (and arguably the perfect nod back to Lando's character in Empire, but not as successfully developed).

Star Wars has often been too concerned about good vs evil and this is the first film (Rogue One hinted at some moral greyness but didn't really flesh it out enough, despite some epic set pieces) that really delivered on that middle ground conflict and flaws of its heroes in my honest opinion, and by passing the baton on to the next generation to deal with the issues outside of light v dark needs to happen against the backdrop of the world we live in today.

Coupled with some utterly superb cinematography alongside some genuinely funny and heartwarming moments, I think this is the best cohesive Star Wars story since Empire. It's not your daddy's Star Wars, but its the Star Wars we need in the post Hunger Games age. (Obviously all of this is my own opinion, not trying to preach. Except about Jar Jar.)
lumsdot17th Dec

So the guy that directed Looper was allowed to direct a star wars movie.If …So the guy that directed Looper was allowed to direct a star wars movie.If you ever seen looper you will know what a load of bs it was.Here's a review from IMDB, sums up a lot of the things I thought about movie.I saw the first Star Wars movie in theatres when I was seven and have been a lifelong fan ever since. Made I through the prequels and didn't think they were as bad as some have said. Enjoyed TFA and Rogue One. But The Last Jedi is complete garbage. Her is why.... The "main" story centers around a space chase (if you can call it that). The First Order has just tracked the Resistance THROUGH light speed but now that can't catch them at cruising speed. What???????? It gets worse. Their plan is to let them run out of fuel (In approximately 18 hours, keep this in mind) and then catch up with them. What?????? This is what two hours of our movie centers around. In the meantime.... Rey is with Luke who is a grumpy old man who tells her to leave, makes bad jokes, throws his old light sabre aside and goes back and forth from yelling at her to "training" her and ultimately gets beat up by her and then tells her the truth (maybe) about Kylo. So...she rushes off to save him in the middle of the "Space Chase" mentioned above. So I guess she has been trained by Luke in less than 18 hours and now goes off to face Kylo and Snoke.While this was going on, Finn and Rose leave the "Space Chase" and go to some Casino Planet to find a master decoder and end up with a con man and ultimately get captured by the First Order. Another wasted 30-45 minutes of the movie that did nothing at all to add or advance the story. Meanwhile...Rey and Kylo fight and the "all powerful" Snoke gets sliced in half by Rey's light sabre that he can't even sense is moving right beside him. Rey and Kylo have a battle with the guards and can barely beat them. The two strongest dark side user of the force cannot beat "guards" without help from Rey????????Anyway..to wrap things up. Ships get blown up, Leia flies through space. Ships come and go at will during the "Space Chase" but the First Order can't figure out how to have another ship somewhere else in the galaxy come out of light speed "in front of" the Rebel ship so they can destroy it. That is truly mind boggling!!!!! Rebels escape to a nearby planet and get hunted down again. Luke fakes out Kylo in a light sabre dual (probably the only good scene in the movie). Luke dies because ???????? (Really no idea). Rebels escape on the MF and oh yeah, Chewie becomes a vegetarian. This is the end of Star Wars as we know. It no longer exists. Thank you Disney for destroying the best running series in the history of cinema. You must be proud.



The cruising speed makes sense. The First Order Star Destroyers are larger than the Resistance ships. Also, regarding the tracking of lightspeed, this was also referenced in Rogue One as a secret project...

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Their plan to make them run out of fuel makes sense. They probably didn’t want to risk another jump over a short distance and also the First Order were about making the galaxy fear them in the same way the Empire did. Seems that’s what they were trying to achieve against the Resistance.

The Luke/Rey thing is nearly the same as the Luke/Yoda training from Empire Strikes back. There was wisecracks and humour in that too. Yoda didn’t have the same feelings of failure as Luke did which made him more reluctant to train another Jedi after knowing what his father did and what he knew Ben was capable of. When he did train her, he had done what Obi Wan did to Luke. Told the story “from a certain point of view.” In regards to the short amount of training, Luke went to face Vader pretty quickly in Cloud City and was using the same force powers as Rey was.

Those guards weren’t just normal stormtroopers. They’re the Royal Guard for a reason. They are highly trained.

Leia didn’t fly, she used the force to pull herself back to the ship. (There’s no gravity in space so I can’t imagine this would be too difficult)

Maybe that was the entire First Order fleet after the planet was destroyed in TFA?

Luke died because what he did was too much for his frail body. Kylo even says it would tear them apart if he projected himself in person to Rey. This was already said during the film.

I think people (not including you here) are nitpicking this film because they got their hopes up with ridiculous amounts of fan fiction and because they don’t like that it is pulling away from the Skywalker lineage. This Trilogy is about closing the story we grew up with and opening up a new saga for a new generation of kids. It’s not supposed to be Star Wars of old.

The only things I disliked was how Snoke was handled, Finn swearing (just unneccessary) and that terrible joke in the opening between Poe and Hux. (Felt far too forced and unfunny). The rest of the humour seemed fine to me and was pretty much in line with the other films.
*Sigh*

The entire movie felt like Rian Johnson decided he was going to be all "edgy" which the various plot threads that were setup perfectly in The Force Awakens...

Oh, you want to know who Snoke really is? Screw you, he's dead!
Oh, you want to learn more about the Knights of Ren? Screw you, they're not even mentioned!
Oh, you like Po Dameron and his amazing flying skills? Screw you, we'll take away his X Wing and make him run around like an idiot for 2.5 hours.
Oh, you like the blossoming relationship between Finn and Rey? Screw you and say hello to Rose (the most non-descript Star Wars character to date)
Oh, you want to know about Rey's parents? Screw you, Rian couldn't think of a clever angle so they're nobodies!
Oh, you'd like to see Lando again? Screw you, even though we'll devote 40 minutes to a pointless Casino escapade which would be the PERFECT time to show Lando, we'll give you Rose and JD.
Oh, you want to see how powerful Luke has become? Screw you, he's cut himself off from the force and will mope for the entire movie.
Oh, you want to see a training montage? Screw you, take a look at Luke milking a giant water cow.
Oh, you like AT-ATs? Fine, we'll put them in a shot so the trailer looks cool.

I could go on, but this entire movie can be summed up by Rian's choice to have Luke fling his lightsabre over his shoulder right at the start. He's just tossing aside decades of expectations, fondness and love for the universe and characters and drawing all over it with a big Disney crayola.

The Star Wars saga IS about the Skywalkers - it's always been about family, the force and good vs evil in the traditional sense. The Force Awakens got that right, even if it could be argued it was a rehash on a New Hope - the point is, it felt authentic and made us care about the new characters alongside the old. The Last Jedi had NONE of that - in fact, it's turned me away from the characters. I don't care what happens to Rey, or Finn or even Kylo Ren - I have zero expectation or desire to know where they end up becuase I just don't care anymore. Hell, even the characters don't know what they want - are they good, are they bad, are they conflicted? Yes, to all of the above! Just really, really bad writing at every turn.

So, well done, Rian. You got your "edgy" take on Star Wars and ruined what should have been a cinematic home run.

*Sigh*
Gambini54 m ago

*Sigh*The entire movie felt like Rian Johnson decided he was going to be …*Sigh*The entire movie felt like Rian Johnson decided he was going to be all "edgy" which the various plot threads that were setup perfectly in The Force Awakens...Oh, you want to know who Snoke really is? Screw you, he's dead!Oh, you want to learn more about the Knights of Ren? Screw you, they're not even mentioned!Oh, you like Po Dameron and his amazing flying skills? Screw you, we'll take away his X Wing and make him run around like an idiot for 2.5 hours.Oh, you like the blossoming relationship between Finn and Rey? Screw you and say hello to Rose (the most non-descript Star Wars character to date)Oh, you want to know about Rey's parents? Screw you, Rian couldn't think of a clever angle so they're nobodies!Oh, you'd like to see Lando again? Screw you, even though we'll devote 40 minutes to a pointless Casino escapade which would be the PERFECT time to show Lando, we'll give you Rose and JD.Oh, you want to see how powerful Luke has become? Screw you, he's cut himself off from the force and will mope for the entire movie.Oh, you want to see a training montage? Screw you, take a look at Luke milking a giant water cow.Oh, you like AT-ATs? Fine, we'll put them in a shot so the trailer looks cool.I could go on, but this entire movie can be summed up by Rian's choice to have Luke fling his lightsabre over his shoulder right at the start. He's just tossing aside decades of expectations, fondness and love for the universe and characters and drawing all over it with a big Disney crayola. The Star Wars saga IS about the Skywalkers - it's always been about family, the force and good vs evil in the traditional sense. The Force Awakens got that right, even if it could be argued it was a rehash on a New Hope - the point is, it felt authentic and made us care about the new characters alongside the old. The Last Jedi had NONE of that - in fact, it's turned me away from the characters. I don't care what happens to Rey, or Finn or even Kylo Ren - I have zero expectation or desire to know where they end up becuase I just don't care anymore. Hell, even the characters don't know what they want - are they good, are they bad, are they conflicted? Yes, to all of the above! Just really, really bad writing at every turn.So, well done, Rian. You got your "edgy" take on Star Wars and ruined what should have been a cinematic home run. *Sigh*



This seems more like *sigh* I didn't get what I expected from TLJ rather than "it's all Rian Johnson's fault for being edgy!"

Also, I never really got the blossoming relationship thing between Rey and Finn in TFA. It's nice to see Hollywood not forcing the "male lead and female lead must love each other" trope down our throats (thanks Pacific Rim for somewhat starting that trend)
chaywa33 m ago

This seems more like *sigh* I didn't get what I expected from TLJ rather …This seems more like *sigh* I didn't get what I expected from TLJ rather than "it's all Rian Johnson's fault for being edgy!"



Not at all. I was more than ready for them to take a departure, but one which respected what came before. TLJ tossed it all aside for a plot that didn't go anywhere, metaphorically and literally.

Seriously, it began with the resistance (now back to being called the rebellion?) being pinned down by the First Order, but they can't destroy them for *insert reason here* - and it ended with the resistance being pinned down by the First Order, but not being able to destroy them for *insert reason here*. Contrived reasoning which just showed up how bad the writing was.

You realise the Casino departure did *nothing* to advance the plot in any way - they actually failed and never managed to shut down the *insert mcguffin here*. Furthermore, the entire Po mutiny sub-plot was utterly pointless - why didn't Laura Derns character just tell them what the plan was? It was hardly a tactical strategy that would have been jeopardised if she let her crew know. Instead it was case of bad writing to provide false suspense and intrigue - all of which lead nowhere.

It's not just a bad Star Wars movie, it's a bad movie. (again, just my opinion, but one I'm very passionate about)
In one of the first star wars , there is a scene where the camera moves under a Star Destroyer, and you feel the menace in the machine.
But in the last Jedi, the star destroyers just seem to be useless.
I thought it was terrible. Not a fan at all. I liked the force awakens and loved rogue one but this one was awful.
deleted5795918th Dec 2017

Why is everyone so surprised about Leia having force powers?It was …Why is everyone so surprised about Leia having force powers?It was established in Jedi that she had force powers, and your telling me that in the 30 years since the 2nd death star was destroyed Luke didnt teach Leia a thing or two about the force, I mean this film points out he formed a training temple, and Leia's Son was his main apprentice.. pretty sure at some point he told her how to reach out.I really really liked the Luke and Yoda scene, thank god they kept him a puppet... now If only Alec Guinness was still alive to add a Ghost scene too. I didnt like how the Star Destroyer Juggernaut had very little defensive capability.. It was one X-Wing no resistance but a few Tie Fighters, surely it had a compliment 100,000 Tie Fighters on board all various from stealth to advanced to bombers, actually it did, but for some reason they werent sent out until the bombers arrived..Its like any film with expectations.. My kids loved it, and thats what matters, this speaks to a new generation of star wars fans, like the prequels before it I thought they were god awful, the original trilogy was my era, and man did I want to be Luke, this film I liked far more than The Force Awakens.I did feel like Artoo and Threepio were underused.I do wonder all these people complaining, how much the Original Trilogy meant to them, I went in expecting a Star Wars Sequel and I got one, really enjoyed it for all of its 'little' faults.also one plus, James Corden was blown in in the first few minutes..



Bang on about it speaking to a new generation. It’s not for us as a whole. Only parts of it are. I walked away from the film feeling like they had wrapped up Luke’s story. For kids though, Rey’s is just beginning.

I think R2 and 3PO are being limited to push BB-8 as the new “cool” droid. Never liked 3-PO anyway. He always annoyed me, much like he annoyed Han.
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Yeah I think that they used that scene to prove that the Jedi aren't about the big families. and that anyone can be a force user- also I am starting to think that Rey is from a nobody family and there's no big conspiracy as to who her parents were/are - that would bring an end to the Skywalker saga and let them move onto the new rebellion and new stories for Johnsons new trilogy?

I am open to anything (star wars related!!)
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