Suggestions for a reasonably-priced outdoor IP camera with pan and tilt (PTZ) feature please.

16 replies
Found 31st Jan
As title. Indoor pan&tilt tend to start from around £25, but the outdoors seem to be around £60+ (example http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291908194582). Not too fussed about image quality so was hoping to find an outdoor nearer the price of an indoor.

Also not fussed about the "Z" in PTZ although I expect zoom to be standard with a pan & tilt whether required or not!

Wireless option would be fine.

And a polite repeat that I'm looking for an IP camera, not a TVL version.

Thanks.

Eventually bought the £50.97 item mentioned in post 14. Thanks to all contributors.

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commerical or domestic ?
what are you using to power / control it ?
What are you needing it to capture - faces / number plates
DPA compliant ?

realistically not likely to find much below £70 even coming from china that has that function

if not fussed about quality - why get one at all ?

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mrwhitelabel

commerical or domestic ?what are you using to power / control it ?What … commerical or domestic ?what are you using to power / control it ?What are you needing it to capture - faces / number platesDPA compliant ?realistically not likely to find much below £70 even coming from china that has that functionif not fussed about quality - why get one at all ?


commerical or domestic ? Dunmatter
what are you using to power / control it ? Mains is available / network-based (web)
What are you needing it to capture - faces / number plates? Capture nothing; want to be able to confirm presence of an object the size of a saloon car within 5metres of camera.
DPA compliant ? Dunmatter.
realistically not likely to find much below £70 even coming from china that has that function. OK
if not fussed about quality - why get one at all ? Saves me going for a 124 mile walk.

AndyRoyd

commerical or domestic ? Dunmatterwhat are you using to power / control … commerical or domestic ? Dunmatterwhat are you using to power / control it ? Mains is available / network-based (web)What are you needing it to capture - faces / number plates? Capture nothing; want to be able to confirm presence of an object the size of a saloon car within 5metres of camera.DPA compliant ? Dunmatter.realistically not likely to find much below £70 even coming from china that has that function. OKif not fussed about quality - why get one at all ? Saves me going for a 124 mile walk.


does it have to have pan to cover that area ?
a fixed position cheaper outdoor ipcamera or worst case 2 not do the job?

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mrwhitelabel

does it have to have pan to cover that area ?a fixed position cheaper … does it have to have pan to cover that area ?a fixed position cheaper outdoor ipcamera or worst case 2 not do the job?


Appreciate the suggestion, but I've already been there. I considered two fixed cameras to cover the area, but one with PT(Z) would be easier to manage, plus PTZ tend to be more difficult for anyone in vicinity of the cam to work out where the camera is pointing, unlike a fixed bullet. And I was hoping one PTZ would be more cost-effective than two fixed. I even thought of having a mirror to view the other section of the area via one fixed cam...

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Suspect the only circa £50 options will be the near-generic IQ-31FX shifted by Buy It Direct Group in its various guises of xxxxxxxDirect, Debenhams Plus or via its ebay portal, with delivered prices from £50.97 to £55 ebay.co.uk/itm…649

u seem to have done ur research I'm not very good at tech stuff but if the quality doesn't matter of the images isn't there anyway u can use a indoor camera outside e.i. put it in a casing of some sort diy made or a shelter on the top or in a glass box etc. I assume the difference between In door and out door is the issue of it getting wet. or will it have some other problems.

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MynameisM

u seem to have done ur research I'm not very good at tech stuff but if … u seem to have done ur research I'm not very good at tech stuff but if the quality doesn't matter of the images isn't there anyway u can use a indoor camera outside e.i. put it in a casing of some sort diy made or a shelter on the top or in a glass box etc. I assume the difference between In door and out door is the issue of it getting wet. or will it have some other problems.


Fair suggestion, but been down that road before and used a 500W floodlight casing to house the cam. Worked fine in daytime but had the usual IR back-reflection issue from floodlight glass at night so had to use an external IR flood, by which time the cost was back to just use a dedicated external cam !

AndyRoyd

Fair suggestion, but been down that road before and used a 500W … Fair suggestion, but been down that road before and used a 500W floodlight casing to house the cam. Worked fine in daytime but had the usual IR back-reflection issue from floodlight glass at night so had to use an external IR flood, by which time the cost was back to just use a dedicated external cam !



​ok is this item any good

ebay 262691856618 it's £37

AndyRoyd

Suspect the only circa £50 options will be the near-generic IQ-31FX … Suspect the only circa £50 options will be the near-generic IQ-31FX shifted by Buy It Direct Group in its various guises of xxxxxxxDirect, Debenhams Plus or via its ebay portal, with delivered prices from £50.97 to £55 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162299928649



​Do you know if this will work with QNAP Surveillance Station?

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MynameisM

​ok is this item any good ebay 262691856618 it's £37


Listing states outdoor but product images clearly show zero weather protection so item is actually only suitable for indoor use. There are a number of similar incorrectly identified listings.Thanks for the suggestion though.

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bearcat

​Do you know if this will work with QNAP Surveillance Station?


Sorry but I am ignorant to the QNAP requirements, and TBH I won't know the true compatibility with any system until it's in my hands and I've played with it a while. The only significant item that struck me when reading the marketing spec was that there was no mention of PC access - only mobile-based access via a dedicated app. But, assuming it's a typical Sricam or clone, a more detailed spec may be found at a generic listing such as ebay.co.uk/itm…648 which does mention PC access via IE8.0 and above which I suspect will imply that ActiveX is required. If you really want to push the boundaries of clone plausibility and can tolerate discrepancies of full HD compared to 720p and integral sdcard or not, there's product info at sricam.com/pro…tml

What use is a camera if the image quality doesn't matter and you can't identify anyone/anything from the images?

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stevemack

What use is a camera if the image quality doesn't matter and you can't … What use is a camera if the image quality doesn't matter and you can't identify anyone/anything from the images?


As per post #2: the requirement is to be able to confirm presence of an object the size of a saloon car within 5metres of camera to save me an otherwise 124 mile walk to personally view. Such a low-res requirement could be satisfied with a cam having less than old skool resolution dating back to pre-405-lines (377i) TV days.

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Eventually bought the ebay item at around £51 delivered next day. Surprising featureset for the price - even includes an integral 8GB microSD (branded Kingston) that can be accessed remotely. Android & IOS access is fine and can control the pan, tilt & zoom OK, and can take snapshots etc. The Windows software is fussy due to the requirement for ActiveX not being easy to fulfill on any non-IE browser - my crude workaround was to use a portable version of Firefox from about a year ago that allowed some manipulation for ActiveX. Overall very configurable of which I have no requirement. Compatible with some other provider's IP P2P services such as Angelcam. Wireless working fine via its 5db antenna through a metal-clad double breezeblock wall to router about 10metres way.
Seems to be one of a range of clones such as Wanscam HW0038, Vstarcam C7833WIP / T7833WIP and the Neocam NIP-31x family where the "x" can be H, J, L or similar. Physically v similar to many other external PTZ dome cams except there is no downward-facing screwhole cutouts in the upper section of bellhousing immediately below the joint with the mounting bracket arm. The other significant differentiating factor from other brands using near-identical housing is its 5V power requirement rather than 12V that the otherwise physically similar Foscam FI8919W uses.

AndyRoyd

Eventually bought the ebay item at around £51 delivered next day. … Eventually bought the ebay item at around £51 delivered next day. Surprising featureset for the price - even includes an integral 8GB microSD (branded Kingston) that can be accessed remotely. Android & IOS access is fine and can control the pan, tilt & zoom OK, and can take snapshots etc. The Windows software is fussy due to the requirement for ActiveX not being easy to fulfill on any non-IE browser - my crude workaround was to use a portable version of Firefox from about a year ago that allowed some manipulation for ActiveX. Overall very configurable of which I have no requirement. Compatible with some other provider's IP P2P services such as Angelcam. Wireless working fine via its 5db antenna through a metal-clad double breezeblock wall to router about 10metres way.Seems to be one of a range of clones such as Wanscam HW0038, Vstarcam C7833WIP / T7833WIP and the Neocam NIP-31x family where the "x" can be H, J, L or similar. Physically v similar to many other external PTZ dome cams except there is no downward-facing screwhole cutouts in the upper section of bellhousing immediately below the joint with the mounting bracket arm. The other significant differentiating factor from other brands using near-identical housing is its 5V power requirement rather than 12V that the otherwise physically similar Foscam FI8919W uses.


Old post I know,but is this 720 or 1080 and are you happy with your purchase?
Does not come with an SD card now,but may buy 2 of these.
Would like to run them from iphone and also Windows 10.

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WheresMeNuts

Old post I know,but is this 720 or 1080 and are you happy with your … Old post I know,but is this 720 or 1080 and are you happy with your purchase?Does not come with an SD card now,but may buy 2 of these.Would like to run them from iphone and also Windows 10.


Yes, content with purchase. The Android app currently states 640x352; believe this raises to 720p when viewed via local network. Not sure what the "full HD" is that is stated in the listing description; maybe there can be some interpolation magic that I am not aware of. Android app is IPcameraHBP (where I believe the suffix "P" signifies "plus"); I am using the Android app version 1.0.2.7 and szneo.com is referenced in the app's "about" page. I assume IOS equivalent would be this. The szneo reference implies the cam could be a clone of the Neo NIP-31l2j. The microSD card was described as "not supplied" when I purchased but an 8GB Kingston-branded card was installed when received, and the box and contents did not appear to have been tampered with. Did not perform any checks to see if the card was not genuine Kingston and have no reason to believe it may not be. The szneo ref is even more plausible considering the NIP-31l2j model is referenced as having an integral 8GB sd card here. Only one practical consideration: the camera has a maximum height viewing angle of say 20degrees below the horizontal, this means it is not capable of viewing anything on the same horizontal plane; I had to mount mine higher than anticipated and mildly wedge the bottom section of the mounting bracket to be able to capture a greater distance view. Item has been very stable with no issues. I would buy more if I had a similar requirement.
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