tax credits - not been updated properly - will i be fined

31 replies
Found 6th Jun 2011
my other half got made redundant in 2008 so notified them he was not working.
Then he signed on notified them again and when he started a job at i told them about that but at there end nothing has been updated on there computer.

I notified them and they are contacting the tax office but not sure what will happen, at the time the personsaid he would update it but obviously hasn't

So i get my child tax and child benefits thats it

and is the chb number to contact them at the time different as i had to quote that one to them when i had phoned

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Original Poster

Will i be fined for details not being updated properly even tho i did phone and report it to the number n the child benefit letter as the tax credit number dont have any details of the changes

Sloth/Mod

They may wonder why it's taken you 3 years to cotton on. lol

Probably have a hefty amount of repayments to make.

Sloth/Mod

jazferbetay

Will i be fined for details not being updated properly even tho i did … Will i be fined for details not being updated properly even tho i did phone and report it to the number n the child benefit letter as the tax credit number dont have any details of the changes



Child Benefit and Working Tax credits are completely different departments so if you notified child benefit that could be why nothing is recorded in relation to your working tax credits.

Original Poster

Syzable

They may wonder why it's taken you 3 years to cotton on. lolProbably have … They may wonder why it's taken you 3 years to cotton on. lolProbably have a hefty amount of repayments to make.




He changed job 2 years ago i had to phone them and i spoke to some foreign guy who said he would change it and update it and i had to quote the chb reference, Partner is now out of work again thats why i was making sure they have details of the change,

oh boy. we informed tax credits of a change of circumstance over the phone, 2 years later they decided we hadnt informed them and wanted to reclaim £6000. We appealed twice to no avail and started a repayment plan. Didnt know what to do! Put in another appeal, and, after almost a year they wiped the debt with an apology. Pretty poor of them, but at least it was sorted. I would say, if you are going to inform them, try doing so in writing, and keep copies! just in case they 'lose' it.

Original Poster

ooo that why then, they are two different departments, never knew that, i notified them buy phone this morning was on phone 1hr 22 mins
Edited by: "jazferbetay" 6th Jun 2011

Sloth/Mod

jazferbetay

He changed job 2 years ago i had to phone them and i spoke to some … He changed job 2 years ago i had to phone them and i spoke to some foreign guy who said he would change it and update it and i had to quote the chb reference, Partner is now out of work again thats why i was making sure they have details of the change,



I know nothing about working tax credits, however Child benefit is the same amount to all whether working or not so i'm not sure why you needed to inform them.

Original Poster

i dont get working tax credit i just get ctx and chb and payment values at 80 and 40

Sloth/Mod

jazferbetay

i dont get working tax credit i just get ctx and chb and payment values … i dont get working tax credit i just get ctx and chb and payment values at 80 and 40



Oh.......well Child Benefits is for all. I think Child Tax credits is when you are working and get extra for childcare etc???

Original Poster

shanecr

oh boy. we informed tax credits of a change of circumstance over the … oh boy. we informed tax credits of a change of circumstance over the phone, 2 years later they decided we hadnt informed them and wanted to reclaim £6000. We appealed twice to no avail and started a repayment plan. Didnt know what to do! Put in another appeal, and, after almost a year they wiped the debt with an apology. Pretty poor of them, but at least it was sorted. I would say, if you are going to inform them, try doing so in writing, and keep copies! just in case they 'lose' it.




how did they inform you? did you get letters and how much did you have to re pay on the repayment play as i am the only one working at 400 a month. and looks like now the changes where reported to the wrong department at the time, which i dont think is going to help me either

everyone is entitled to child benefit so not sure why you would need to contact them ever, un less you have another child, as for child tax credits you will have to pay back anything you where not entitled to whilst working

Original Poster

i have always had a payment of 40 and 80 since my daughter was born and its not increase or decreased
Edited by: "jazferbetay" 6th Jun 2011

jazferbetay

how did they inform you? did you get letters and how much did you have to … how did they inform you? did you get letters and how much did you have to re pay on the repayment play as i am the only one working at 400 a month. and looks like now the changes where reported to the wrong department at the time, which i dont think is going to help me either



They informed via letters, started basically asking for the amount to be repaid in full. After the failed appeals, my wife phoned them and we agreed an amount to pay back, but let them know we werent happy or agreed with it, the person on the phone obviously passed this info on to their supervisor who said they would look into it a final time. It was some months after that we received a letter stating they were putting it right, and also included a cheque for the payments we had already paid.

I think the OP is saying when she phoned Tax Credits they used her child benefit details to verify her not that she actually called child benefit .

Then again i might be wrong lol

Syzable

I know nothing about working tax credits, however Child benefit is the … I know nothing about working tax credits, however Child benefit is the same amount to all whether working or not so i'm not sure why you needed to inform them.




Syzable

Child Benefit and Working Tax credits are completely different … Child Benefit and Working Tax credits are completely different departments so if you notified child benefit that could be why nothing is recorded in relation to your working tax credits.




Changes to Child Benefit affect your claim for CTC


If CB stops it automatically stops CTC and any other benefit that is non Dependant related e.g CB stops when your child is no longer classed as a child, dependant on you. This happens automatically when your child reaches the age of 20 also on their 16th birthday, it can sometimes be extended to the 31st august after their 16th birthday and can still be claimed if you child stays on in further education to the age of 20 on a qualifying course, e.g where they are classed as a dependant again in your care for finance etc.

see if this pdf has any info hmrc.gov.uk/lea…pdf

Child Tax Credit supports families with children (this can include children
until their 16th birthday and young persons aged from 16 but under
20 years old). You can claim whether or not you are in work.
The amount you get is based on your income. All families with at least one
child and a household income of up to £41,300 may get an award of
tax credits. You may still be entitled to Child Tax Credit if your household
income is higher than this and you are claiming for two or more children,
your child has a disability or you are claiming childcare costs.
Working Tax Credit is for working people on a low income.

Child Tax Credit and Working Tax Credit do not affect Child … Child Tax Credit and Working Tax Credit do not affect Child Benefitpayments, which we pay separately.




Your husband working does not affect CB but it will affect CTT and WTC

Edited by: "dontasciime" 6th Jun 2011

Original Poster

he anaual income has droped and then went back to the same when he got work again. so dont know how that would affect us

i phoned the number on the child tax letter to report the changes this morning but when i phoned back in 2008 to report the changes due to work it was the number off the child benefit letters that i used and they wanted my child benefit number which i gave and they said they would sort it
Edited by: "jazferbetay" 6th Jun 2011

jazferbetay

i have always had a payment of 40 and 80 since my daughter was born and … i have always had a payment of 40 and 80 since my daughter was born and its not increase or decreased



The £80 odd pound you received 4 weekly is child benefit and is what you are entitled to, dependant on what income you get to whether you have still been entitled to the Child tax credits of £40 a week, how many hours worked?

if that is £40 a month then dont worry unless your income was massive you are entitled, most people are entitled to £10 a week with children, but whilst not working the child tax credit should have been alot more for one child
Edited by: "secretwoman123" 6th Jun 2011

Original Poster

other half previously worked 37.5 and i did 16 and that was fine and then he lost his job my 16 has stayed the same threw out the years his droped form 37.5 to 0 to about 40 hours a week and then he changed to night shift and worked nights 7 days on at 12 hours and 3 off and 7 on 4 off at 12 hours.

this was obviously reported to the child benefit line and didnt realise it was two diff departments
Edited by: "jazferbetay" 6th Jun 2011

jazferbetay

other half previously worked 37.5 and i did 16 and that was fine and then … other half previously worked 37.5 and i did 16 and that was fine and then he lost his job my 16 has stayed the same threw out the years his droped form 37.5 to 0 to about 40 hours a week and then he changed to night shift and worked nights 7 days on at 12 hours and 3 off and 7 on 4 off at 12 hours. this was obviously reported to the child benefit line and didnt realise it was two diff departments



if all you got off the tax credits was £40 a month then you have nothing to worry about, did you not read your renewal notices, this tells what you get and why? whilst only you was working you would have probably been entitled to more, so if all you got was £80 child benefit and £40 tax credits per month then dont worry

Original Poster

Am now in a panic since this has not been updated properly. that i may have to go to court and pay large fines

Sloth/Mod

jazferbetay

Am now in a panic since this has not been updated properly. that i may … Am now in a panic since this has not been updated properly. that i may have to go to court and pay large fines



Noooooo...........that's reseved for large scale benefit fraudsters. Worst you'll get is asked to repay some money if it's found you've overclaimed. No need to panic x

jazferbetay

Am now in a panic since this has not been updated properly. that i may … Am now in a panic since this has not been updated properly. that i may have to go to court and pay large fines


you should be asking them why you didnt get extra whilst only one of you was working for 16 hours, so hardly think they gonna be taking you to court

Original Poster

I dug out my child benefit letter and i have the tax credits number on it so i must have phoned but either way nothing has been reported won there end since when my other half got made redundant in 2008 i called when he was on job seekers and we got nothing extra,and to tell them about his job but all they have on record is then (2008) nothing else has been recorded, this time i phoned i had to go threw lots of security details this time before i hadn't. i asked the woman whats gonna happen am i going to be in trouble and she said she doesn't know and cant answer it its now in hands of tax office
Edited by: "jazferbetay" 6th Jun 2011

Original Poster

if its 3yrs of 40 a month then under 2,000 for 3 years but i still worry about things like this, got blooming sore throat as well now


Dont get working tax credit,
Child tax credit may have to be sorted

Get Child benefit is fine
Edited by: "jazferbetay" 6th Jun 2011

jazferbetay

other half previously worked 37.5 and i did 16 and that was fine and then … other half previously worked 37.5 and i did 16 and that was fine and then he lost his job my 16 has stayed the same threw out the years his droped form 37.5 to 0 to about 40 hours a week and then he changed to night shift and worked nights 7 days on at 12 hours and 3 off and 7 on 4 off at 12 hours. this was obviously reported to the child benefit line and didnt realise it was two diff departments



im sorry, but why exactly did you ring child benefit to inform them your partner had lost his job? they couldnt care less, you get child benefit whether your rich or poor, working or not (well, until recent tory changes anyway).
with you both working, you would have had a 30hour bonus with tax credits, but when he wasnt working, that should have been dropped. but to be honest if you both were earning less money than what tax credits thought you were, you should have been getting almost FULL tax credits. so apart from the 30hr bonus, I dont see why/how you can owe £1000's

also, why was your partner on jsa, when you were working 16hrs and getting wtc/ctc??

Original Poster

the job center never did it on contribution based they did the non income based one. They where told i was working the 16 hours, with child benefit and child tax credit and i dont get working tax credit and they gave him so much and helped him get anther job.

I phoned the number on the child benefit letter at the time as i didnt know that the child tax was different
Edited by: "jazferbetay" 6th Jun 2011

Did you not notice it on your annual renewal pack you get every year to make sure your details are correct? It has all that information on it? When you filled them in or rang up to confirm details and yearly income they would have asked for your partners income also.

Somthing similar happened to me but when i rang up to complete my annual renewll they never asked for my partners details so i made a point of telling them what he earnt and had it updated that way.

Anyway hope you get it sorted because i know hoe stressfull it can be with them. I ended paying back monthly over a year but it was only £600 odd i owed them (for there mistake)!

Original Poster

alll last year one said was usually works and lives in uk, which i thoguht they had updated the details and that was it but obviously not
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