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Thatcher axed over golliwog remark

Found 3rd Feb 2009
Carol Thatcher will no longer be working on The One Show, the BBC has announced.

Her future with the programme was questioned after she referred to a tennis player as a "golliwog".

The daughter of former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher made the remark after filming the show last Thursday during a conversation with presenter Adrian Chiles and several guests.

She was immediately challenged about the remark, but only apologised on Sunday and dismissed the comment as a "joke".

A BBC spokesman said: "We will no longer be working with Carol Thatcher on The One Show."

The remark was made during a conversation about the Australian Open tennis tournament, in reference to a player who had recently been knocked out of the men's singles draw.

Thatcher - crowned Queen of the Jungle in the 2005 series of I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here! - was a regular contributor to the TV magazine show and the programme's website praised "her dry, self-deprecating wit and tenacious spirit".

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*ducks* before the wrath of choc!

People in the public eye have got to be very careful what they say today. A bit hypocritical of the BBC though I think.

was the tennis player black then??

The BBC confirmed tonight it had dropped Carol Thatcher as a presenter on The One Show after she referred to a professional tennis player as a "golliwog" in a private conversation.

Thatcher, who won the ITV1 reality show I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here! in 2005, made the comment following the recording of an edition of the lifestyle programme on Thursday night in a conversation about the Australian Open with the show's host, Adrian Chiles, and comedian Jo Brand.

BBC insiders said Chiles was "outraged" by the remark about the unnamed male player, made in the BBC green room, and both he and Brand challenged Thatcher. The incident was subsequently reported to the show's executive producer Tessa Finch, who asked Thatcher to explain herself.

Thatcher, the daughter of former prime minister Lady Thatcher, wrote a letter of apology, but her spokeswoman said she denied that the comment was racist, saying it was an "off-the-cuff remark made in jest".

However, the apology was not enough. A BBC spokesman said tonight: "We will no longer be working with Carol Thatcher on The One Show."

It is understood that Thatcher was employed on the programme on a short-term contract, which will now not be renewed. The decision was made by Finch with the backing of the BBC director of Vision, Jana Bennett, and the BBC1 controller, Jay Hunt.

Thatcher, 55, acts as a roving reporter for the show. On its website, she is described as having a "dry, self-deprecating wit and tenacious spirit".

As well as being a contracted contributor on The One Show, Thatcher regularly appears as a guest on a range of other BBC programmes including the Andrew Marr Show, Question Time, the Daily Politics, This Week and Woman's Hour. Even though the BBC has made clear she is not banned from the rest of its programmes, it is thought unlikely that she will be invited on to these shows in the future.

Insiders on The One Show said there had been a strong reaction among staff to Thatcher's comment.

"The remark made by Carol caused great offence to those who heard it at the time and to those members of the production team who heard it later on," an insider said.

"Carol's job as a roving reporter requires her to report on a wide variety of issues and to meet a diverse range of people throughout the country, many of whom are unlikely to agree that her comment was acceptable even as a joke."

It is thought Thatcher was given the opportunity to make an unconditional apology, but declined to do so.

Earlier today, Thatcher's spokeswoman said her client was angry at how the remark had been leaked to the media and that Thatcher wanted an apology from the BBC.

"There has been a massive breach of trust as far as she is concerned," her spokeswoman said. "This was a private conversation, none of which has been verified by the BBC. Carol has given the BBC an apology and as far as we are concerned we have had no apology back over this breach of confidentiality.

"Carol has been an incredibly loyal servant to The One Show and they have paid her back very shabbily."

The One Show, which airs on weeknights on BBC1 at 7pm, has become one of the channel's biggest consistent hits, regularly pulling in 5 million viewers with its mix of celebrity interviews and reports on a range of topics from around the country.

Thatcher was recruited to present regular reports around the theme of "community" alongside Gyles Brandreth, Hardeep Singh Kohli, John Sergeant and Phil Tufnell.

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i dont get it was she referring to a person who looked like a golliwog??

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I think she called him a golliwog tongue in cheek, it was said to two people and one took offence.
Very harsh IMO

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rob585;4274258

was the tennis player black then??



yes, appears so.

Predikuesi;4274206

People in the public eye have got to be very careful what they say today. … People in the public eye have got to be very careful what they say today. A bit hypocritical of the BBC though I think.



Yes, very good Pred. So if I haven't misinterpreted your meaning, what you are saying is:

Don't condemn racism, just keep it carefully hidden, especially if you are a public figure. Oh, and one other thing. Never applaud the people who take racists to task; find a way of twisting it so they shoulder some of the blame.

Cue a whole slew of similar ridiculous comments:roll:

Is this really a shock? She was raised by a Nazi!

Liddle ol' me;4274380

Yes, very good Pred. So if I haven't misinterpreted your meaning, what … Yes, very good Pred. So if I haven't misinterpreted your meaning, what you are saying is: Don't condemn racism, just keep it carefully hidden, especially if you are a public figure. Oh, and one other thing. Never applaud the people who take racists to task; find a way of twisting it so they shoulder some of the blame. Cue a whole slew of similar ridiculous comments:roll:


That's the most idiotic statement that ever came out of the end of your index finger.:x

Just in case you can't understand plain English:

1. People in the public eye do need to be careful, or they will be taken to task, and rightly so.
2. The BBC are hypocritical.
3. You know very well, unless you are trying to cause an arguement, that I am not a racist (in fact detest racism).

If she did call someone a golliwog why would she or anyone else for that matter think it was even remotely funny?

I wouldn't worry about Carol very much - Daily Mail will probabl give her a pay rise..........

She should have called him a f***ing F***er,Apparantly the BBC approves of that,

*in before the lock*

Predikuesi;4274462

Just in case you can't understand plain English:1. People in the public … Just in case you can't understand plain English:1. People in the public eye do need to be careful, or they will be taken to task, and rightly so.#2. The BBC are hypocritical.3. You know very well, unless you are trying to cause an arguement, that I am not a racist (in fact detest them).That's the most idiotic statement that ever came out of the end of your index finger.:x



Glad to get a proper sense of your real feelings about this. :thumbsup:

Yes, words are used as weapons, which makes it all the more important that one's position on racism isn't ambiguous.

Liddle ol' me;4274652

Glad to get a proper sense of your real feelings about this. … Glad to get a proper sense of your real feelings about this. :thumbsup:Yes, words are used as weapons, which makes it all the more important that one's position on racism isn't ambiguous.




Apology accepted:p

We can only surmise to her intentions at the time.

Was she trying to be funny? To sound "clever"? Or was she attempting to be a racist hardcase?

I can fully understand that the middle classes are totally out of touch with the general population and as a reporter, she may use "shock tactics" to gain attention and to boost her ratings, all publicity is good publicity yada yada. Following on from the recent J. Ross debacle there may well be a few "copy cat" cases of crass insensitivity.

My feelings are that it is unacceptable to say something designed to hurt another human being. In this sense she was out of line if her statement caused others distress or upset.

Bet she wished she had shoved her own sock in her mouth about now.

gari189;4274478

If she did call someone a golliwog why would she or anyone else for that … If she did call someone a golliwog why would she or anyone else for that matter think it was even remotely funny?I wouldn't worry about Carol very much - Daily Mail will probabl give her a pay rise..........



i agree

What she said was offensive and made people feel very uncomfortable. When asked to make some sort of apology during the banter, she said she did nothing wrong (she had her chance). Think she was with Adrian Chiles and Jo Brandt. She was in the wrong, end of.

If golliwogs are offensive why are the dolls still on sale???????????????????

country of convenient hypocrisy - when it suits

Give me Carol Thatcher over the likes of Ross & Brand any day...

Alfonse;4279303

If golliwogs are offensive why are the dolls still on … If golliwogs are offensive why are the dolls still on sale???????????????????country of convenient hypocrisy - when it suits



Pretty sure the dolls are illegal to sell in this country, although I have seen em.

Max Cady;4279660

Give me Carol Thatcher over the likes of Ross & Brand any day...



Ross and Brand are funniest guys on TV!, each to their own.

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I wondered when peodude, our resident BNP supporter, would wade in with his racist take on the world. I see he has given up on copying and pasting diatribes from right-wing sites and moved on to posting images without comment instead. Perhaps that's what they call progress in his neck of the woods?

Liddle ol' me;4280221

I wondered when peodude, our resident BNP supporter, would wade in with … I wondered when peodude, our resident BNP supporter, would wade in with his racist take on the world. I see he has given up on copying and pasting diatribes from right-wing sites and moved on to posting images without comment instead. Perhaps that's what they call progress in his neck of the woods?



Didn't take you long to pipe up either with your sniping based on a picture...............lol

I was just posting to clarify what a golliwog was, and to test the water, I posted the same image on another forum and was told that the image was offensive! WTF!

For what it's worth, she was wrong in what she done, it is not acceptable, or never has been in the past, to call a black person a golliwog.

And for the record, i am NOT racist, but i doubt you'll take much notice of that.

peodude;4280263

I was just posting to clarify what a golliwog was, and to test the water, … I was just posting to clarify what a golliwog was, and to test the water, I posted the same image on another forum and was told that the image was offensive! WTF!For what it's worth, she was wrong in what she done, it is not acceptable, or never has been in the past, to call a black person a golliwog. :)And for the record, i am NOT racist, but i doubt you'll take much notice of that.



Nice. You are getting a little smarter in your responses, but I think you've laid out your real sentiments in acute detail on previous threads (the BNP one for example). Although I tested Pred's comment above, I was never in much doubt about his sentiments. I knew he wasn't a racist, just carelessly ambiguous with his phrasing. With you however, there is nothing careless, just a web of deceit that you think people can't see through. You are wrong about that though. You are as transparent as cling film. That's why I have no hesitation in calling it as it is.

Over and out. I have no desire to give you the platform you crave on this issue.

Liddle ol' me;4280329

I crave on this issue.



we know, incessantly

johnny one note

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Ignoring LOM's obsession to label everyone racist, Princes Charles was also slated for calling someone an 'offensive' name, but the difference in this case is that she did not know the person, and would probably be offended by the comment, whereas the the 'Sooty' comments were made to a friend who accepted the name and wasn't offended.

I fancy some Jam on Toast after reading this thread.

peodude;4280443

Ignoring LOM's obsession to label everyone racist, Princes Charles was … Ignoring LOM's obsession to label everyone racist, Princes Charles was also slated for calling someone an 'offensive' name, but the difference in this case is that she did not know the person, and would probably be offended by the comment, whereas the the 'Sooty' comments were made to a friend who accepted the name and wasn't offended.



LoM seriously has some issues with this whole "OMG UR RACIST" thing. I hope he's like that in real life too, he might get sued for libel. I mean, I don't wish ill on him or anything, but it's funny how your perceptions change when you have a professional interest in something and when there's money on the table because of it.

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Predikuesi;4274462

That's the most idiotic statement that ever came out of the end of your … That's the most idiotic statement that ever came out of the end of your index finger.:x



Nah. There has been far worse. (Seriously.)

Just in case you can't understand plain English:1. People in the public … Just in case you can't understand plain English:1. People in the public eye do need to be careful, or they will be taken to task, and rightly so.2. The BBC are hypocritical.3. You know very well, unless you are trying to cause an argument, that I am not a racist (in fact detest racism).



Now just be careful to spell out exactly what you mean in future. You don't want the grammar Nazi on your back to try to twist your words. (Even if it is predictable and easily deflected.)

I wonder if he's a closet racist. He doth protest far too much.

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Liddle ol' me;4280329

With you however, there is nothing careless, just a web of deceit that … With you however, there is nothing careless, just a web of deceit that you think people can't see through.



MWHAHHAAAAHHHAA

You are wrong about that though. You are as transparent as cling film. … You are wrong about that though. You are as transparent as cling film. That's why I have no hesitation in calling it as it is.



Nor have I. Pot, kettle, black.

Over and out. I have no desire to give you the platform you crave on this … Over and out. I have no desire to give you the platform you crave on this issue.



Good. STFU.

if you want a proper racist site, go to The Sun discussions board. That was hijacked by the BNP ages ago. Some of the views on their are stomach churning.

tdogg;4281096

if you want a proper racist site, go to The Sun discussions board. That … if you want a proper racist site, go to The Sun discussions board. That was hijacked by the BNP ages ago. Some of the views on their are stomach churning.



Not surprised to hear it. The Sun is hardly a bastion of thoughtful discourse, and racism is still rife among the poorly educated who make up a large percentage of its readership. But it is good to see other powerful institutions like the BBC having the balls to tackle racism where they find it. The more the message gets across that it won't be tolerated, the better chance we have of extinguishing its worst excesses.

A topic worth banging on about, no matter how annoyed it makes those who are intolerant of anti-racist discourse. ;-)

she will probably make a quick documentary which portrays her in a more positive light.

kaits;4282050

she will probably make a quick documentary which portrays her in a more … she will probably make a quick documentary which portrays her in a more positive light.



LOM or thatcher?

Alfonse;4282184

LOM or thatcher?



Carol Thatcher:)

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Liddle ol' me;4281595

Not surprised to hear it. The Sun is hardly a bastion of thoughtful … Not surprised to hear it. The Sun is hardly a bastion of thoughtful discourse, and racism is still rife among the poorly educated who make up a large percentage of its readership. But it is good to see other powerful institutions like the BBC having the balls to tackle racism where they find it. The more the message gets across that it won't be tolerated, the better chance we have of extinguishing its worst excesses.A topic worth banging on about, no matter how annoyed it makes those who are intolerant of anti-racist discourse. ;-)



Personally, after hearing more about it today, I think the whole incident was blown out of proportion.
Carol remarked that the tennis player had hair 'like a golliwog'. She did not say he looked like one. Slightly over the top IMO.
(people jumping on that bandwagon again)

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