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    The election, pardon my ignorance but why the heck are people voting for labour?

    We are taxed left right and centre and even those bits that we cannot see.
    12 Billion pounds wasted on an NHS database yep £12,000,000,000 !!! on a software written database.
    Pc Correctness is just a joke.
    Egg and spoon race, you are not allowed to run.
    Sports day, no one is allowed to win.
    Everyone is getting sued.
    They tell us the children need to exercise more and they shut down all the sport playgrounds.
    No one has any money, they spend, sorry waste Billions of pounds, sell our gold reserves, all the pensions are basically gone.
    How can we fix it, yep after the election we will have to raise more taxes.

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    Half of what you say is "garbage".

    Which is why people will always vote for another party, because people on all sides lie.

    There ALL the same Labour will get kicked out Conservatives will be in...... it's like a round about, No goverment sticks to there goals what they say !

    garbage456;8225977

    please clairfy rather than generalising



    yeah, no sweeping generalisations, (see OP) lol.:whistling:

    Because other parties aren't necessarily any better or even worse for the voter's interests..

    i will be voting labour because i remember the last time a conservative government was in charge, 30,000 miners sacked on one day alone, deregulation of bus service doubled price of travel, sold off british gas,british rail, british telecom, to make all their cronies rich, interest rates were 15.5 %. brought in the council tax which is still pay too much get nothing in return, my children deserve good education and work very hard at school, if cameron gets in it will all be for nothing as we are a working class family and he will make it impossible for them to be able to afford uni, even though their grades are excellent.

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    I'll be voting Lib Dem..... but only as they have the best chance of beating the Tories.

    I get the impression you weren't of voting age the last time the Tories were in?

    [COLOR="Blue"]We are taxed left right and centre and even those bits that we cannot see.[/COLOR]

    Yet income tax is lower than it was under the Tories...

    [COLOR="Blue"]12 Billion pounds wasted on an NHS database yep £12,000,000,000 !!! on a software written database.[/COLOR]

    Yes I agree it is. Would it have been cheaper under the Tories?

    [COLOR="Blue"]Pc Correctness is just a joke.
    Egg and spoon race, you are not allowed to run.
    Sports day, no one is allowed to win.[/COLOR]

    WTF are you talking about?

    [COLOR="Blue"]Everyone is getting sued.[/COLOR]

    I've not been. Maybe I've got lucky?

    [COLOR="Blue"]They tell us the children need to exercise more and they shut down all the sport playgrounds.[/COLOR]

    Who has shut down playgrounds? (I assume your local council has?)
    [COLOR="Blue"]
    No one has any money, they spend, sorry waste Billions of pounds, sell our gold reserves, all the pensions are basically gone.[/COLOR]

    I've got plenty of money.

    [COLOR="Blue"]How can we fix it, yep after the election we will have to raise more taxes.[/COLOR]

    So higher taxes under a Tory government is preferable to higher taxes under a Labour government?


    All parties lie and cheat, its what politicians do.

    Lack of an options.

    Tories - Would do the same but much worse. They set the model that led to all your examples of money wasting.

    Lib Dems - Try to be all things to all people, but fail for obvious reasons.

    Greens - Have had most of their agenda stolen as a token by the main parties. There has also been a steady campaign by big business to undermine the very idea of a "Eco problem", combined with some overblown claims it has had enough of a confusing effect on people to turn them away.

    A Socialist Party - Not one around that is big enough to make much of an impact. Any attempt by workers to defend themselves at the moment is come down on like a ton of bricks by all the forces of the media and the rich. Everyone is blaming strikers and nobody is remembering that it was the rich bankers that caused this mess. They have walked away with billions in tax payers money and are back to their old tricks while their friends in the IMF etc try to make ordinary workers pay for everything they did.

    Fascists - Not many people have yet turned to these scum as their racist and violent agenda is clear to all who care to open their eyes properly. If things become more desperate, whichever of the two parties come to power they will attempt to capitalise on this to spread their hate politics.

    Just seen your edit
    PC correctness...... This is worthy of it's own thread if you want to do it justice as a subject. Short answer is it's just an easy Sun headline attached to anything right wingers don't like.

    I get people don`t like Gordon Brown, prob cos what you see is what you get, but Cameron is not trustworthy, he goes to special speech therapy to make him sound more normal, he has a personnal wealth of over £10 million that he doesn`t want voters to know about, he chops and changes his polices, don`t be fooled he thinks its his birthright to screw us over

    garbage456;8225977

    please clairfy rather than generalising


    Sports day, no one is allowed to win.



    My son won 3 out of his 4 races last summer.

    Want another example of your "garbage"?

    Even if the Conservatives get in there is such a huge mess to deal with they will get voted out again next time. Maybe better for Labour to have to deal with things at the moment, particularly the war in Afghanistan which is still a hangover from Blair's supremacy. There is very little room for manoeuvre at the moment- look at the Budget and how little was new in that. I don't think it matters who gets in, the situation is so bad at the moment it is going to take some sort of miracle to sort things out, doesn't matter who is dealing with it.

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    garbage456;8226001

    strikesBaFire BrigadeRoyal MailCivil ServantsUndergroundRailwaysetc etc



    What has strikes got to do with the Labour government? You seem confused!

    OP is obviously too young to remember when the tories were in power!

    garbage456;8226001

    strikesBaFire BrigadeRoyal MailCivil ServantsUndergroundRailwaysetc etc


    Don't notice any mention of the bankers that brought this country and the world economy to its knees and then walked away with massive handouts that we are expected to pay for by worsening or in some cases destroying our lives.

    g1bbuk;8226012

    OP is obviously too young to remember when the tories were in power!



    Those were great days, low income tax, we still had our gold reserves, we didn't owe the world £180 Billion.

    Happy days!:whistling:

    lets see under conservatives. coal miners strike 13 months, teachers strikes, power strikes, railway strikes, civil service strikes, OP is def confused if he thinks strikes are caused by L abour,

    Bnp Ftw!

    No idea whether or not this is country wide or school wide, but in P1 everyone won at sports day which were only team events (all teams ended up with exactly 100 points), in P2 one of the teams won but no individual winners.

    Playgounds here are open and maintained too.

    I have not been sued, neither has my wife, any mates, colleagues or family members.

    I have some money, would like more right enough.

    So, OP, a few points you have made that are wrong.

    Labour Labour Labour!!!!

    what people are forgetting is this is still a great country, we can turn on a tap and get good water, some parts of europe can`t, we have bloody good healthcare, we don`t have to worry about being hungry, we are educated excellently if you put your mind to it, we have excellent internet/ phone sevice. our troops are out fighting and we don`t get behind them makes my blood boil.

    And we produce F1 champions!

    boothy;8226037

    Bnp Ftw!


    Fascists - Not many people have yet turned to these scum as their racist and violent agenda is clear to all who care to open their eyes properly. If things become more desperate, whichever of the two parties come to power they will attempt to capitalise on this to spread their hate politics.

    boothy;8226037

    Bnp Ftw!



    If theres a party to grind this country into the ground its these racist morons.

    fskinner;8225988

    i will be voting labour because i remember the last time a conservative … i will be voting labour because i remember the last time a conservative government was in charge, 30,000 miners sacked on one day alone, deregulation of bus service doubled price of travel, sold off british gas,british rail, british telecom, to make all their cronies rich, interest rates were 15.5 %. brought in the council tax which is still pay too much get nothing in return, my children deserve good education and work very hard at school, if cameron gets in it will all be for nothing as we are a working class family and he will make it impossible for them to be able to afford uni, even though their grades are excellent.



    Will be voting conservative because I'm also working class, but do not want to be represented by the over privileged, dishonest and immoral labour party that purports to represent the likes of me, but who are more interested in lining their own pockets. New Labour are hypocrites and what's more have ruined this country forever with their political correctness gone mad, their total disregard for protecting our borders, and their total irresponsibility for our safety by taking us into an illegal war. I no longer recognise the country I live in, and do not want to be governed by an egotistical, (so far unelected), scottish prime minister who is directly responsible for the economic mess in which we find ourselves due to his complete incompetence as a chancellor.

    How pathetic that there is still such class prejudice around when it has been clearly demonstrated by this government that they, who purport to be against the class system, ensure that they send THEIR kids to private schools whilst we have to make do with the lousy comprehensive down the road, ensure that THEY live in not one, but as many houses as they can get the taxpayer to pay for, ensure that THEY end up with a peerage and then have the audacity and immorality to be caught with their hands in the till. Tories may not be much better, but I can't stomach the hypocrisy of a political party which supposedly represents the working class, but in fact has shown utter contempt and disregard for our welfare.

    I am English, very proud of it too, I am proud of my country and all it has achieved, i am not rascist but do understand how people can become rascist. I don`t care what colour/religion my doctor/dentist is as he has worked hard to become qualified. what i do object to is a religion forcing its doctrine on me

    fskinner;8226032

    lets see under conservatives. coal miners strike 13 months, teachers … lets see under conservatives. coal miners strike 13 months, teachers strikes, power strikes, railway strikes, civil service strikes, OP is def confused if he thinks strikes are caused by L abour,




    Don't think so since it is greedy unions that cause strikes, and its thanks to the tories that the stranglehold the unions had on this country to inflict misery on ordinary working folk was weakened. Under New Labour, the unions are once more the bully boys living in cloud cuckoo land demanding increased wages, refusing to update their working practices, and holding the country to ransom when they can't get what they want, when we have millions unable to find any work at all.

    Don't think so since it is greedy unions that cause strikes.
    I agree with that statement.
    I am not in favour of any of the strikes at the moment, it is foolish to believe that in this economy, cutbacks, reorganisation of workforce is not inevitable. it is not our god given right to have a well paid job, job for life is no longer an option. when you say millions unable to find work at all I disagree with, what you mean is millions UNWILLING to take any job at ANY wage.

    The main issue as I see it is that you have to occupy the centre ground to get elected, so all the main three parties occupy a broadly similar political space.

    Our problem in the UK is that we say we want better this, and better that, but see higher tax as a bad thing - so we essentially want these things but someone else to pay for them!

    In the end, I guess people vote for the things that are most like them. For example I see myself as a Tory in many ways, but have a strong social conscience. So now that Labour are far more right of centre in economic terms (so very close to the Tories despite what both would say), the social element to their policies is something that I find wins me over.

    It makes me chuckle a little when I hear the Tories talking about Labour "not fixing the roof when the sun was out" by not saving during the good times... Well as I recall, at a time when all the family silver was sold (BT, British Gas etc), and we had the biggest oil and gas revenues from the North Sea, our infrastructure such as education and the NHS was widely considered to be on it's knees. So using Cameron's analogy, it was while the sun was out that the Tories not only didn't fix the roof, they sold the roof tiles to fund income tax cuts that whilst having a positive effect for all, massively benefit the middle and higher classes.

    Oh, and also, I think Cameron is a smug git!!

    Oh, but I am not too keen on Brown either - but I do think he has substance despite not having any style!

    Oh and finally, whilst I wish it were different, cos I think the Lib Dems have some interesting policies, they will never be elected to government as a taxation policy is still unelectable in the UK.

    Cheers for allowing me the opportunity to get this out there... Not bothered about what everyone thinks - it only matters what I think - that is why politics is so great!

    J

    I was going to say why would anyone with a memory even consider putting the tories back in.

    But it's like animal farm, they end up the same when in power anyway.

    Goonieman;8226074

    If theres a party to grind this country into the ground its these racist … If theres a party to grind this country into the ground its these racist morons.



    Agreed - but unfortunately it is the direct consequences of 13 years of New Labour misrule that has pushed many voters towards the BNP since they feel disenfranchised and disregarded by a socialist government intent on a totally misguided and damaging social engineering agenda.

    theyeos;8226114

    The main issue as I see it is that you have to occupy the centre ground … The main issue as I see it is that you have to occupy the centre ground to get elected, so all the main three parties occupy a broadly similar political space.Our problem in the UK is that we say we want better this, and better that, but see higher tax as a bad thing - so we essentially want these things but someone else to pay for them!In the end, I guess people vote for the things that are most like them. For example I see myself as a Tory in many ways, but have a strong social conscience. So now that Labour are far more right of centre in economic terms (so very close to the Tories despite what both would say), the social element to their policies is something that I find wins me over.It makes me chuckle a little when I hear the Tories talking about Labour "not fixing the roof when the sun was out" by not saving during the good times... Well as I recall, at a time when all the family silver was sold (BT, British Gas etc), and we had the biggest oil and gas revenues from the North Sea, our infrastructure such as education and the NHS was widely considered to be on it's knees. So using Cameron's analogy, it was while the sun was out that the Tories not only didn't fix the roof, they sold the roof tiles to fund income tax cuts that whilst having a positive effect for all, massively benefit the middle and higher classes.Oh, and also, I think Cameron is a smug git!!Oh, but I am not too keen on Brown either - but I do think he has substance despite not having any style!Oh and finally, whilst I wish it were different, cos I think the Lib Dems have some interesting policies, they will never be elected to government as a taxation policy is still unelectable in the UK.Cheers for allowing me the opportunity to get this out there... Not bothered about what everyone thinks - it only matters what I think - that is why politics is so great!J



    Far too sensible for this thread, get out of here!:p

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    pugw$sh;8226030

    Those were great days, low income tax, we still had our gold reserves, we … Those were great days, low income tax, we still had our gold reserves, we didn't owe the world £180 Billion.Happy days!:whistling:



    We also owned our water, gas, electric, railways........... etc etc etc

    On the subject of gold reserves, just how much do you think the Tories wasted on Black Wednesday, where they were forced to stop propping up the £ and we ended up with a mortgage rate of 16%?

    Happy Days? Pah.

    g1bbuk;8226124

    Far too sensible for this thread, get out of here!:p



    LOL.. I was thinking the same!

    Great comments theyeos. summed it up in one, we want this and that and are now moaning about paying for it, our education is certainly not on its knees where i live 5 new schools to be built nxt year, one is completed under budget, healthcare is excellent, got to see a consultant within 2 weeks, brand new sports centre opened last month, with free sport for all, 2 more to be built in neighbouring towns.

    garbage456;8226155

    the title of thread is why would people vote labour, not why isnt … the title of thread is why would people vote labour, not why isnt everyone voting tory



    The same thing for most.

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    garbage456;8226155

    the title of thread is why would people vote labour, not why isnt … the title of thread is why would people vote labour, not why isnt everyone voting tory



    There is only one of two parties that can win a general election. So reasons not to vote for one party is a reason to vote for the other.

    i remember clearly the tories being in, and i remember tony blair … i remember clearly the tories being in, and i remember tony blair sayingwe will be whiter than whiteeducation education educationwe will offer the people of the UK a vote on europewe will not charge college students feehmmmm



    Linky?

    No party is whiter than white. Mistakes have been made. as for Education, my children are better educated than i ever was, they have an option to be whatever they want to be, not based on where they went to school, but on their ability, all i had to look forward to was a YTS Scheme as i was written off, i could not go to college as i couldn`t afford it, so i worked from age 15 and half.
    most people in Britain don`t want to vote on europe, but realise we need to be part of it, so no party will clarify what their stance on europe is. the last part is valid, i want my children to go to college as i know they will do well, whether we as a family can afford it is another thing. hopefully we can.

    I will vote Labour because I think my children will have a better chance in life, if i have to pay higher taxes then so be it, from previous experience of a tory government i will have to pay higher taxes and get less or nothing in return. end of.

    Isn't it a bit early on a Sunday for a political thread?

    If people are saying that everyone "should remember the last time the Tories were in blah, blah, blah." They should also remember the time before that when Labour was in. Politics goes around in cycles in this country, with each party making a mess of it. First they blame the previous party for the state of the country, then have in-party fighting and finally get voted out of government where it all starts again.

    Each politician is corrupt and only in it for themselves. They're only sorry about doing something they shouldn't have been, when the get caught. If they mandated that a politician cannot hold any other job or post, or receive external income while being a politician or for 3 years afterwards, I suspect very few of them would still be politicians.

    I haven't found anyone that I consider to be worth voting for.

    I guess most people that are considering voting labour do indeed have long memories. What the tories did was so damaging to so many people that its almost beyond belief that they will be taken at face value again.
    But then its part of the human condition to see yourself as better than another and many people will vote tory because they want to believe this (in secret anyway).
    I realise that there is hypocriscy throughout all the political parties but if you dont remember what went before then be careful just what you are hearing now cos it really was bad for many working people back then.
    People losing the roof over their heads and relationships breaking up due to all the stress. I know people can lose their homes under any government but at least labour have tried to keep interest rates low which has made things easier for everyone

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    Because you think we have issues now, wait for 10yrs under a Tory govt.

    Because the alternative is far worse.

    I'm another who was around the last time the Tories had power.
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