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Found 27th Nov 2009
Around 15,000 letters are being sent out to thieves this new year asking for 'hundreds of pounds' to settle out of court on accusations of illegal downloading of games and films.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/h…stm

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It's ok. My wireless is unsecure...

Your move ACSLaw.

they need to look at the whole unsecured / hacked wireless law 1st and get it established 100% that is the owners responsibility to secure his network before tageting people like this, otherwise everyones gona plead ignorance to it

Now that is seriously old news. BitterWally had that story two days ago! It's been going on for a couple of years now and was featured on BBC Watchdog when Davenport Lyons were running the operation.

Sloth/Mod

The law firm itself is currently investigation for something. They sound reputable. :-D

good.

t0mm;7024228

It's ok. My wireless is unsecure...Your move ACSLaw.



But, that might be construed as you giving your tacit permission to anyone to download on your internet connection so you are responsible.

By the way, they haven't tried that argument yet but I believe Andrew Crossley is a fairly desperate character!

tony_s1;7024301

But, that might be construed as you giving your tacit permission to … But, that might be construed as you giving your tacit permission to anyone to download on your internet connection so you are responsible. By the way, they haven't tried that argument yet but I believe Andrew Crossley is a fairly desperate character!


Believe me, it isn't.

"We state that they [the alleged file-sharers] have made available to others via peer-to-peer file-sharing networks various products that they have rights in,"

Again, this is about uploaders of copyrighted files (or those seeding them on a P2P), NOT people who have downloaded them :thinking:

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eca07mc;7024320

"We state that they [the alleged file-sharers] have made available to … "We state that they [the alleged file-sharers] have made available to others via peer-to-peer file-sharing networks various products that they have rights in," Again, this is about uploaders of copyrighted files (or those seeding them on a P2P), NOT people who have downloaded them :thinking:



The whole point of peer 2 peer is that everyone is a seeder :thinking:

None of these people have any intention of going to court, they don't have the evidence available to acheive a win

They send out say 1000 letters, and hope 10% pay up..

kungfu;7024254

they need to look at the whole unsecured / hacked wireless law 1st and … they need to look at the whole unsecured / hacked wireless law 1st and get it established 100% that is the owners responsibility to secure his network before tageting people like this, otherwise everyones gona plead ignorance to it



unfortunately you cannot plead ignorance to any law

iNSOMANiAC;7024363

The whole point of peer 2 peer is that everyone is a seeder :thinking:



And the reason for going after the uploaders is that they can accuse them of making the copyright work available to (insert any number you like) of other users all of whom would have paid the full price for the game/movie. So, instead of getting the £30 you should have paid for the game, they want several hundred pounds. Now why does that sound like a bit of a scam?

AFAIK, the argument has not actually been tried in court because the only cases that Davenport Lyons and ACS:law have "won" have been uncontested.

Alfonse;7024429

unfortunately you cannot plead ignorance to any law



Perversely, ignorance of the law is what ACS:law rely on. They're after easy money from those who don't know how to defend themselves.

I understand that they give up fairly quickly when anyone offers even a barely credible defence

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tony_s1;7024448

And the reason for going after the uploaders is that they can accuse them … And the reason for going after the uploaders is that they can accuse them of making the copyright work available to (insert any number you like) of other users all of whom would have paid the full price for the game/movie. So, instead of getting the £30 you should have paid for the game, they want several hundred pounds. Now why does that sound like a bit of a scam?AFAIK, the argument has not actually been tried in court because the only cases that Davenport Lyons and ACS:law have "won" have been uncontested.



You cant really put a price on stolen goods distributed over the internet, the several hundred pounds is called compensation and deterrent, you pay more because you have been caught stealing, it is not a con.

Perhap you think everyone should potentially download what they want then if they get caught only be forced to pay the rrp ? LOL, what a deterrent that would be.

old news,this has been on the go for years,total scam no standing in law whatsoever,it simply preys on peoples fears


major lol

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tony_s1;7024485

Perversely, ignorance of the law is what ACS:law rely on. They're after … Perversely, ignorance of the law is what ACS:law rely on. They're after easy money from those who don't know how to defend themselves.I understand that they give up fairly quickly when anyone offers even a barely credible defence




I can assure you, only people who have been stealing will pay up, noone who hasnt downloaded illegally is going to hand over hundreds of poinds for something they havent done. Your attempts at portraying the lawyers who are attempting to recoup money from the thieves as the bad guys is laughable to say the least !

First, this is not stealing, this is copyright infringement. Totally different, one is a criminal offence, the other a civil.

Secondly, it has been upheld in court that the person who has the contract is NOT liable for the actions of others, whether it be a family member using the computer or an external hacker.

The only person they can take to court is the downloader themselves, the only information they can get off the ISP is the person who pays for the internet in the house.

iNSOMANiAC;7024488

You cant really put a price on stolen goods distributed over the … You cant really put a price on stolen goods distributed over the internet, the several hundred pounds is called compensation and deterrent, you pay more because you have been caught stealing, it is not a con.Perhap you think everyone should potentially download what they want then if they get caught only be forced to pay the rrp ? LOL, what a deterrent that would be.



I was not commenting on the legality of downloading on P2P just explaining why ACS:law take the approach they do. From a moral point of view, I don't think that some shyster solicitors exploiting the situation to make money for themselves is any more or less objectionable than P2P sharing. Both are wrong.

The answer is that the law needs changing to prevent the distribution of P2P material and the sooner the better.

peodude;7024629

First, this is not stealing, this is copyright infringement. Totally … First, this is not stealing, this is copyright infringement. Totally different, one is a criminal offence, the other a civil.Secondly, it has been upheld in court that the person who has the contract is NOT liable for the actions of others, whether it be a family member using the computer or an external hacker.The only person they can take to court is the downloader themselves, the only information they can get off the ISP is the person who pays for the internet in the house.



plus IP, MAC, website activity, time, etc etc

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peodude;7024629

First, this is not stealing, this is copyright infringement. Totally … First, this is not stealing, this is copyright infringement. Totally different, one is a criminal offence, the other a civil.Secondly, it has been upheld in court that the person who has the contract is NOT liable for the actions of others, whether it be a family member using the computer or an external hacker.The only person they can take to court is the downloader themselves, the only information they can get off the ISP is the person who pays for the internet in the house.



FACT

Federation Against Copyright[SIZE="7"] THEFT[/SIZE]

There is a little clue in there for you poppit.

fact-uk.org.uk/

Have a good read, you might learn something.

Forget it, you've obviously so blinkered against piracy that you haven't took any replies into consideration, instead, condemning them all as wrong. I don't debate with people who don't listen.

Mr I buy all my music :roll:

iNSOMANiAC;7024672

FACTFederation Against Copyright[SIZE=7] THEFT[/SIZE]There is a little … FACTFederation Against Copyright[SIZE=7] THEFT[/SIZE]There is a little clue in there for you poppit.http://www.fact-uk.org.uk/Have a good read, you might learn something.

iNSOMANiAC;7024672

FACTFederation Against Copyright THEFTThere is a little clue in there for … FACTFederation Against Copyright THEFTThere is a little clue in there for you poppit.http://www.fact-uk.org.uk/Have a good read, you might learn something.



Legally it's copyright infringement. It's just that FACI doesn't sound as good as FACT. To quote FACT "Established in 1983, FACT’s primary purpose is to protect the United Kingdom’s film and broadcasting industry from counterfeiting, copyright and trademark infringements." I think you ought to quit while you're not too far behind! :whistling:

On another note did you know that any photo you upload to facebook on your account become the property of Facebook AND any app you have installed on your profile.

# For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos ("IP content"), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook ("IP License"). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.


How many of you would be upset if a photo of yours was used to make a profit and you saw none of it?

A Chappy I Spoke To Ages Ago From My Isp Said "look At It Like This If Your Internetz Is A Hosepipe They Know Water Is Passing Through As The Pipe Is Stiff And Buzzing But They Havent A Clue What Colour It Is And If They Put A Hole In The Pipe They Are Tresspassing

raptorcigs;7024911

A Chappy I Spoke To Ages Ago From My Isp Said "look At It Like This If … A Chappy I Spoke To Ages Ago From My Isp Said "look At It Like This If Your Internetz Is A Hosepipe They Know Water Is Passing Through As The Pipe Is Stiff And Buzzing But They Havent A Clue What Colour It Is And If They Put A Hole In The Pipe They Are Tresspassing



not true there are no privacy laws to protect users of domestic internet

ssl newsgroups all the way. good luck decrypting that

what about the amount of kids (under 16) that are very savvy on a pc these days, there must be 1000's of them downloading music, games etc without their parents having a clue, because to be honest there are some parents out there that have an internet connection but are totaly clueless as to how the whole thing works !

leemole101;7024978

ssl newsgroups all the way. good luck decrypting that



products.datamation.com/sec…tml

A key feature in the new version of GTB Inspector is its support for SSL encryption and decryption. According to the vendor, the device can now encrypt and decrypt SSL data transparently on both sides of the connection; allowing for the inspection of the formerly encrypted data. Other new features include support for peer-to-peer traffic blocking, integration with LDAP directories, and an additional detection engine.


we use this at work, there is no escape if the Government really wants to know what you are doing.


:roll:

according to the vendor lol. you want to buy my magic lucky penny ?

(i agree on the gov obviously having the algorhythm tho)

leemole101;7024978

ssl newsgroups all the way. good luck decrypting that


ssl is useless.

the provider only has to log what you're doing and you're ****ed

leemole101;7025053

according to the vendor lol. you want to buy my magic lucky penny ?





What part of WE USE THIS AT WORK DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND, we have StealthWatch as, Ciscoworks, Solarwinds Orion, etc etc, trust me its works.

t0mm;7025071

ssl is useless.the provider only has to log what you're doing and you're … ssl is useless.the provider only has to log what you're doing and you're ****ed



astraweb keeps no logs

richp;7025033

what about the amount of kids (under 16) that are very savvy on a pc … what about the amount of kids (under 16) that are very savvy on a pc these days, there must be 1000's of them downloading music, games etc without their parents having a clue, because to be honest there are some people out there that have & internet connection but are totaly clueless as to how the whole thing works !



And those people are exactly the ones that ACS:law are targeting. Nice easy money from mugs. :roll:

Alfonse;7025088

What part of WE USE THIS AT WORK DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND, we have … What part of WE USE THIS AT WORK DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND, we have StealthWatch as, Ciscoworks, Solarwinds Orion, etc etc, trust me its works.



i use a tea pot at work, that decrypts ssl too ! :thumbsup:
then it drops them into a little cup for me to digest into my body and repeat at will

leemole101;7025104

astraweb keeps no logs


who told you that?:roll:

pity they're not a UK company.

False advertising is that.

leemole101;7025128

i use a tea pot at work, that decrypts ssl too ! :thumbsup:then it drops … i use a tea pot at work, that decrypts ssl too ! :thumbsup:then it drops them into a little cup for me to digest into my body and repeat at will



lol proving you know nothing of networking,

ill let you know if i get a letter
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