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Found 4th Oct 2017
Political party leader speeches to conference are normally pretty drab and dull affairs. They go through the motions saying what their party delegates want to hear and there are not many surprises as the media have been tipped off in advance the night before.

Today was the exception to the rule and Theresa May delivered a speech that will go down in political folklore and will have gone towards strengthening the public perception that Jeremy Corbyn and his party are a government in waiting.

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The only people who believe JC and his party are a government in waiting are his supporters.
That's the flaw in the plan, he promised everything to everyone in the last election and couldn't win even with possibly the worst campaign the Tories have ever had.

They have a message about 'building a country' that falls down.

She is so utterly un-self-aware that she wears a bracelet depicting a staunch communist and someone who literally shagged trotsky.

She takes an ed milliband idea that her party had previously derided as being 'Marxist' and tries to pass that off as her big idea.

Senior party members have to tell each other to get up and clap their own leader. In full view, in their own conference cannot hide the cracks rifts that have appeared.

They have such poor security organised that someone is able to walk to the front of the stage and hand her a P45

There are people on here that believe, with no sense of irony that this... this episode of 'The Thick of It', if it had jumped the shark, will lead the country to a successful brexit - that lot can't even organise their own conference without it falling apart. Their.own.conference.


Forget Jeremy Corbyn, I could walk into any pub right now and pick you out 30 drunks who would do a better job than that lot.
Edited by: "Josh.Rogan" 4th Oct 2017
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Here you go dear...
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We mustn't be to harsh the lady was a bit weepy after losing her 'majority' apparently
yeah right
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Edited by: "Wongy110" 4th Oct 2017

The only people who believe JC and his party are a government in waiting are his supporters.
That's the flaw in the plan, he promised everything to everyone in the last election and couldn't win even with possibly the worst campaign the Tories have ever had.

It is the Tories we know and 'love' from the 90's
'order' is restored to the world

fabulous speech... give her a big hand
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shadey1223 m ago

The only people who believe JC and his party are a government in waiting …The only people who believe JC and his party are a government in waiting are his supporters.That's the flaw in the plan, he promised everything to everyone in the last election and couldn't win even with possibly the worst campaign the Tories have ever had.

All governments reach a tipping point where regardless of what they do they are sliding to an inevitable defeat. Sometimes the defeat comes quickly sometimes it takes a little longer.

The tories are in disarray and are now making policy on the hoof responding to where the Labour Party are making gains. That is a sign of weakness and just goes to reaffirm that Labour are on their way to government.
Edited by: "RedLozzer" 4th Oct 2017

Wasn't great TBH - But don't make laugh (or the rest of the country !), Jeremy Corbyn and Labour a party in waiting for government . Or you could always relocate to Venezuela to see how well his Socialist / Marxist policies do in the real world .
By the way its not Jeremy Corbyn who pulls the strings , he does and says what he's told by the self proclaimed Marxist faction "Momentum " who really run the Labour party these days . They don't deny it - but he and thousands of drugged up , supposedly intelligent students do ???

RedLozzer20 m ago

All governments reach a tipping point where regardless of what they do …All governments reach a tipping point where regardless of what they do they are sliding to an inevitable defeat. Sometimes the defeat comes quickly sometimes it takes a little longer.The tories are in disarray and are now making policy on the hoof responding to where the Labour Party are making gains. That is a sign of weakness and just goes to reaffirm that Labour are on their way to government.


That would be your prediction of the future.
Before the last election did you think JC would still be leader now?

Lord Buckethead is looking forward to a 'seat' already

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I'd rather **** James May with a **** shaped like Jeremy Clarkson than give her a kiss.

I thought she was just clearing the frogs.

As for Comrade Corbyn being associated with the word “Government”, He would leave the nation coughing all the way to bankruptcy. Labour do not understand economics, never has, never will. Simply put, Socialism (Communism’s little sister) does not work.
Edited by: "Predikuesi" 4th Oct 2017

They have a message about 'building a country' that falls down.

She is so utterly un-self-aware that she wears a bracelet depicting a staunch communist and someone who literally shagged trotsky.

She takes an ed milliband idea that her party had previously derided as being 'Marxist' and tries to pass that off as her big idea.

Senior party members have to tell each other to get up and clap their own leader. In full view, in their own conference cannot hide the cracks rifts that have appeared.

They have such poor security organised that someone is able to walk to the front of the stage and hand her a P45

There are people on here that believe, with no sense of irony that this... this episode of 'The Thick of It', if it had jumped the shark, will lead the country to a successful brexit - that lot can't even organise their own conference without it falling apart. Their.own.conference.


Forget Jeremy Corbyn, I could walk into any pub right now and pick you out 30 drunks who would do a better job than that lot.
Edited by: "Josh.Rogan" 4th Oct 2017

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shadey1254 m ago

That would be your prediction of the future.Before the last election did …That would be your prediction of the future.Before the last election did you think JC would still be leader now?

No. No one sane would have thought that.

RedLozzer5 m ago

No. No one sane would have thought that.


And yet you now believe Labour are on their way to govern the country.

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rogparki1 h, 6 m ago

Wasn't great TBH - But don't make laugh (or the rest of the country !), …Wasn't great TBH - But don't make laugh (or the rest of the country !), Jeremy Corbyn and Labour a party in waiting for government . Or you could always relocate to Venezuela to see how well his Socialist / Marxist policies do in the real world .By the way its not Jeremy Corbyn who pulls the strings , he does and says what he's told by the self proclaimed Marxist faction "Momentum " who really run the Labour party these days . They don't deny it - but he and thousands of drugged up , supposedly intelligent students do ???


Corbyn and the labour party are the only political party acting like a coherent force atm and gaining traction with the public. If you can't accept that you are a fool.

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Predikuesi23 m ago

I thought she was just clearing the frogs.As for Comrade Corbyn being …I thought she was just clearing the frogs.As for Comrade Corbyn being associated with the word “Government”, He would leave the nation coughing all the way to bankruptcy. Labour do not understand economics, never has, never will. Simply put, Socialism (Communism’s little sister) does not work.


Comrade Corbyn could well be your prime minister within the next couple of years. The tories need to start making a case as why he shouldn't.

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shadey127 m ago

And yet you now believe Labour are on their way to govern the country.


Yes and anyone who disregards that notion is a fool.

shadey1211 m ago

And yet you now believe Labour are on their way to govern the country.




Possibly because he Tories have a useless leader and senior party members are divided on key issues. That doesn't particularly garner trust from the electorate or persuade them that a government is capable of governing well - especially when the government have to negotiate its way through Brexit.

Labour may not be any better, but it is the only realistic alternative to this car crash of a government that many will see.

RossD894 m ago

Possibly because he Tories have a useless leader and senior party members …Possibly because he Tories have a useless leader and senior party members are divided on key issues. That doesn't particularly garner trust from the electorate or persuade them that a government is capable of governing well - especially when the government have to negotiate its way through Brexit. Labour may not be any better, but it is the only realistic alternative to this car crash of a government that many will see.


The young vocal supporters of JC really should see what a car crash in politics is.
Fortunately a lot of voters remember what Labour did in the 70s.

The line-up behind her is remarkable with her 25,000 houses till eternity (versus Macmillan's 300,000 a year):-
Jeremy Hunt's vision for Britain : an App (Android and iOS) for free download
Boris Johnson's vision for Britain : Clear-up dead bodies in Libya and let the lions roar there and everywhere.
Amber Ruud vision for Britain : "Get up and clap."

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shadey128 m ago

The young vocal supporters of JC really should see what a car crash in …The young vocal supporters of JC really should see what a car crash in politics is.Fortunately a lot of voters remember what Labour did in the 70s.


Unfortunately for the tories the ones who remember are kicking the bucket by the day. Corbyn has energised the youth and with organisation the labour party has harnessed that energy.

The tories need a vision, policies and not just to say don't vote for labour coz of the 70s.
Edited by: "RedLozzer" 4th Oct 2017

RedLozzer6 m ago

Unfortunately for the tories the ones who remember are kicking the bucket …Unfortunately for the tories the ones who remember are kicking the bucket by the day. Corbyn has energised the youth and with organisation the labour party has harnessed that energy.The tories need a vision, policies and not just to say don't vote for labour coz of the 70s.


He has energised a vocal minority of the youth and people who are simple enough to believe his promises. A week is a long time in politics, a lot will change in the next 4 years.
We will see.

shadey1215 m ago

The young vocal supporters of JC really should see what a car crash in …The young vocal supporters of JC really should see what a car crash in politics is.Fortunately a lot of voters remember what Labour did in the 70s.




Why? What happened in the 1970s means nothing. The current year is 2017. Our focus should be on the politics of today and not of the politics of 40 years ago.

RossD897 m ago

Why? What happened in the 1970s means nothing. The current year is 2017. …Why? What happened in the 1970s means nothing. The current year is 2017. Our focus should be on the politics of today and not of the politics of 40 years ago.


You should learn from past mistakes not keep repeating them.
Politics should be in 2017, unfortunately JC and his ideas are still in the 70s.
His ideals didn't work then and they won't work now.

RedLozzer26 m ago

Unfortunately for the tories the ones who remember are kicking the bucket …Unfortunately for the tories the ones who remember are kicking the bucket by the day. Corbyn has energised the youth and with organisation the labour party has harnessed that energy.The tories need a vision, policies and not just to say don't vote for labour coz of the 70s.


Bit of daft concept really yes tories are dying off but they are being replaced
the 'average' age when people 'turn' tory is 47 right now
but is is rising
although that may change



Anybody who finds that nonsensical I do solemnly swear on Gandalf's staff
me and 'Spender' are not the same

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Wongy11025 m ago

Bit of daft concept really yes tories are dying off but they are being …Bit of daft concept really yes tories are dying off but they are being replacedthe 'average' age when people 'turn' tory is 47 right nowbut is is rising although that may change Anybody who finds that nonsensical I do solemnly swear on Gandalf's staff me and 'Spender' are not the same


The people replacing the dead people will diminishly remember the 1970s. That was my point lol.

RedLozzer8 m ago

The people replacing the dead people will diminishly remember the 1970s. …The people replacing the dead people will diminishly remember the 1970s. That was my point lol.


Yeah they may come back
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R.I.P. George

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Wongy1105 m ago

Yeah they may come back[Image] R.I.P. George


Politics in this country is a cycle. Few Tory governments with the occasional Labour government.....
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Wongy1106 m ago

Yeah they may come back[Image] R.I.P. George


Guns alas won't be sufficient.....

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splender1 h, 14 m ago

The line-up behind her is remarkable with her 25,000 houses till eternity …The line-up behind her is remarkable with her 25,000 houses till eternity (versus Macmillan's 300,000 a year):-Jeremy Hunt's vision for Britain : an App (Android and iOS) for free downloadBoris Johnson's vision for Britain : Clear-up dead bodies in Libya and let the lions roar there and everywhere.Amber Ruud vision for Britain : "Get up and clap."

It was very embarrassing.

RedLozzer5 m ago

Politics in this country is a cycle. Few Tory governments with the …Politics in this country is a cycle. Few Tory governments with the occasional Labour government.....


Like I have said many times we had the chance to 'break' it six years ago
not that that helps
don't see an answer sorry

Leaving the EU can only mean less democracy so fingers crossed that wont happen

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Wongy1104 m ago

Like I have said many times we had the chance to 'break' it six years …Like I have said many times we had the chance to 'break' it six years agonot that that helps don't see an answer sorry Leaving the EU can only mean less democracy so fingers crossed that wont happen

No doubt Dave and his ilk will be along soon to educate us

shadey129 h, 15 m ago

The young vocal supporters of JC really should see what a car crash in …The young vocal supporters of JC really should see what a car crash in politics is.Fortunately a lot of voters remember what Labour did in the 70s.


And a lot of us "young" supporters (apparently we all are to you as you seem to think its somekind of slur) remember Thatcher in the 80s and some like my mother are old enough to know that the Tories were against the forming of the NHS and voted it down repeatedly in the 40s.

Aren't you lucky your fellow Tory voters are senile or more dumb then the young to think that lot are good at anything other then filling their own pockets.

shadey129 h, 0 m ago

You should learn from past mistakes not keep repeating them.Politics …You should learn from past mistakes not keep repeating them.Politics should be in 2017, unfortunately JC and his ideas are still in the 70s.His ideals didn't work then and they won't work now.


How about you look at the now, look at our crappy economy, look at the disgusting gap between rich and poor, look at how many people work and get benefits to live, look at our lack of affordable housing, the destruction of council housing, the rise of food banks, the debt for life of education, the dismantling of the NHS, the reduction of the fire service, the police, the lack of exports and manufacturing, the cuts to schools, councils etc.

The cause of all that was bankers (i wonder who they vote for) and then the Tories rub salt in it with a mix of their greed and incompetence.

Josh.Rogan11 h, 0 m ago

They have a message about 'building a country' that falls down.She is so …They have a message about 'building a country' that falls down.She is so utterly un-self-aware that she wears a bracelet depicting a staunch communist and someone who literally shagged trotsky.She takes an ed milliband idea that her party had previously derided as being 'Marxist' and tries to pass that off as her big idea.Senior party members have to tell each other to get up and clap their own leader. In full view, in their own conference cannot hide the cracks rifts that have appeared.They have such poor security organised that someone is able to walk to the front of the stage and hand her a P45There are people on here that believe, with no sense of irony that this... this episode of 'The Thick of It', if it had jumped the shark, will lead the country to a successful brexit - that lot can't even organise their own conference without it falling apart. Their.own.conference.Forget Jeremy Corbyn, I could walk into any pub right now and pick you out 30 drunks who would do a better job than that lot.


1/ Google "lse lecture marxism" and you see modern relevance, bang up to date 2017 economics. It is not surprising that younger people, recently being on university campuses, think about capital. Marx' Capital is a tool, it has specific uses in any society and a useful tool needs to be used by able teams of politicians. Look at socio-economics as applied in Scandinavia, Germany, Canada.
2/ the P45 prank is a P45 for the nation, that's how foreigners like to understand this when a Head of State receives communication on behalf of the nation. PM May has an illustrious career admired by most, even more so abroad, she was competent up to early this year, she is still the same competent person. The adhesiveness of the glue is symbolism of bad teamwork whose members are breaking away. It is not a symbol of her , it is a symbol of our cabinet break-up and will do so openly again.
3/ recommending 30 drunks to do a better job," What shall we do with a drunken sailor advocator, early in the morning?"

We need to rally positively behind her. Even when she may not devise the best solution ahead or be the best person. A cohesive team effective in implementation of a second best solution may just be better in outcome than the best political solution but poorly implemented because of internal strife.

splender2 h, 41 m ago

1/ Google "lse lecture marxism" and you see modern relevance, bang up to …1/ Google "lse lecture marxism" and you see modern relevance, bang up to date 2017 economics. It is not surprising that younger people, recently being on university campuses, think about capital. Marx' Capital is a tool, it has specific uses in any society and a useful tool needs to be used by able teams of politicians. Look at socio-economics as applied in Scandinavia, Germany, Canada.2/ the P45 prank is a P45 for the nation, that's how foreigners like to understand this when a Head of State receives communication on behalf of the nation. PM May has an illustrious career admired by most, even more so abroad, she was competent up to early this year, she is still the same competent person. The adhesiveness of the glue is symbolism of bad teamwork whose members are breaking away. It is not a symbol of her , it is a symbol of our cabinet break-up and will do so openly again.3/ recommending 30 drunks to do a better job," What shall we do with a drunken sailor advocator, early in the morning?"We need to rally positively behind her. Even when she may not devise the best solution ahead or be the best person. A cohesive team effective in implementation of a second best solution may just be better in outcome than the best political solution but poorly implemented because of internal strife.


I agree with you it would be beneficial for our country to rally behind her but it's a little late for that. She was the least worst option after the disastrous referendum result that catapulted incompetents like Boris, Davis and Fox back into government. She called an election which weakened her own party and damaged our prospects of getting a good deal with the EU.
It's the Tories, as always, that inflict this damage on themselves and the country with their self-serving infighting.

Cr0m24 m ago

I agree with you it would be beneficial for our country to rally behind …I agree with you it would be beneficial for our country to rally behind her but it's a little late for that. She was the least worst option after the disastrous referendum result that catapulted incompetents like Boris, Davis and Fox back into government. She called an election which weakened her own party and damaged our prospects of getting a good deal with the EU. It's the Tories, as always, that inflict this damage on themselves and the country with their self-serving infighting.


Although she wouldn't have been my first choice, I wished her huge goodwill when appointed PM. After the P.R. led Premierships of Cameron and Blair, I was more than happy to accept a slightly awkward 'public' PM if she was being highly effective behind closed doors. Unfortunately this has proved unsustainable, and her private effectiveness is also now highly debatable. Even though she expected to win it comfortably, she faced a very difficult decision in relation to the EU exit when calling the June election. If she had not, she would have faced continual accusations of having no personal mandate to conduct the negotiations, and our proposed exit date would have been running close to a required election by 2020. This would have led to that election being purely based on people's opinion of the terms agreed, rather than any wider policy propositions. In effect, it would have been another Referendum on the Referendum, and no PM would want to call an election with a historical indication of a 52 / 48% split electorate.

And besides we as a complete entity, as a nation, especially the strategist and media strategists, have failed.

Strategically this "job" in 2016 after the national EU referendum was not a one party job , let alone a leader's. It was a cross party alliance job.

We have a round of argy-bargy with 27 countries. We always knew that no leader could possibly survive any chosen implementation of Brexit from a 48:52 referendum result. Many will be angry whatever the final implementation is. Whoever we put in now as replacement, is likely to be replaced yet again, as no doubt about it, a breakage away from a trading block will be that a lot of people would be hurt; there will be gainers and losers with no overall gainers whichever flavour of Brexit. Some want to gain sovereignty, some want trade, some want profit, some want freedom, some want

The 27 countries on the other side put forward a cross-country team with the best "brains".

We as one nation put forward just one party out of many in a small yet important country.

And to make matters worse still, we have multi-fractions within a party. We have opened up two neogotiation fronts: one with EU, one with Tory internal party (spearhead by Johnson). In miltary battle, this is a crisis, war on two fronts.

And now we are isolating her and put her on probation with leadership contenders in waiting.

So the argy-bargy , the art of war, is an able lady on probation versus a cream of the crop of 27 nations on the other side of the battleground. This would be the same stratagem even with a new Tory leader as this leader is too on probation, a triple probation, 1/ within his/her party, 2/ with the opposite on the other side of the EU battleground ...who had just called one of them to be sacked, 3/ with the country's voters by not having an electoral mandate.

This is a very bad strategic position indeed. We are caught between a rock and a hard place with our leader(s).

I cannot see what value that there is as the "Brexit Britannia" set sail from "Portsmouth" last year in 2016 to unchartered waters and who know what the terms will be. We are one year into 3-years journey on the high seas (to 2019) and we need to reach our destination with least damage. This is not the time to exploit dropped off letter onto the deck, a p45 to the Captain at the helm, worse still , to have a mutiny on the ship.

Saturn1 h, 18 m ago

Although she wouldn't have been my first choice, I wished her huge …Although she wouldn't have been my first choice, I wished her huge goodwill when appointed PM. After the P.R. led Premierships of Cameron and Blair, I was more than happy to accept a slightly awkward 'public' PM if she was being highly effective behind closed doors. Unfortunately this has proved unsustainable, and her private effectiveness is also now highly debatable. Even though she expected to win it comfortably, she faced a very difficult decision in relation to the EU exit when calling the June election. If she had not, she would have faced continual accusations of having no personal mandate to conduct the negotiations, and our proposed exit date would have been running close to a required election by 2020. This would have led to that election being purely based on people's opinion of the terms agreed, rather than any wider policy propositions. In effect, it would have been another Referendum on the Referendum, and no PM would want to call an election with a historical indication of a 52 / 48% split electorate.


I agree with your analysis of the electoral conditions but I think the decision to call a snap election was more to do with a miscalculation that they would give Jezza a drubbing.
Quite frankly at this point, more than a year after after Brexit, that noone in this country, our government or Europe has a clue what our aims are in the settlement is a disgrace and I don't know how anyone could be making a worse job of it.
As Splender says a cross party approach to Brexit would be entirely appropriate and Labour have offered to cooperate but the Tories want to paint Corbyn's labour as crazy commies which obviously only Daily Mail readers are buying.

Segata-Sanshiro6 h, 4 m ago

How about you look at the now, look at our crappy economy, look at the …How about you look at the now, look at our crappy economy, look at the disgusting gap between rich and poor, look at how many people work and get benefits to live, look at our lack of affordable housing, the destruction of council housing, the rise of food banks, the debt for life of education, the dismantling of the NHS, the reduction of the fire service, the police, the lack of exports and manufacturing, the cuts to schools, councils etc.The cause of all that was bankers (i wonder who they vote for) and then the Tories rub salt in it with a mix of their greed and incompetence.



People power has failed, S-S.

It doesn't matter what government we put in - they don't have the power.

The big multinational companies now pull the strings - and if any country gets awkward they not only isolate them, they embark on a project to destroy them.
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