Time for petrol protests?

With the cheapest local litre of U/L now ringing in at 95.9, is it time for people to show their dissaproval again?
It seems that protest is the only way to get what you want. I believe that if you give them an inch, they will take a yard :x
It looks like it's going to top the £1 mark this time, at the rate it's going, and the treasury is STILL raking in it's fuel taxes at the same rate. My local Esso is charging 98.9 for U/L AND derv!! In some places, the diesel ltr is [U cheaper than U/L. Profiteering?
Opinions welcome.

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I wonder how long it would take for someone to come with an argument that high fuel prices are for good cause? Such as GlobalWarming™ for example

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With the cheapest local litre of U/L now ringing in at 95.9, is it time … With the cheapest local litre of U/L now ringing in at 95.9, is it time for people to show their dissaproval again?It seems that protest is the only way to get what you want. I believe that if you give them an inch, they will take a yard :x It looks like it's going to top the £1 mark this time, at the rate it's going, and the treasury is STILL raking in it's fuel taxes at the same rate. My local Esso is charging 98.9 for U/L AND derv!! In some places, the diesel ltr is cheaper than U/L. Profiteering?Opinions welcome.




Walk or buy a bike. ;-)

Protest I'm up for that :thumbsup:

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stora

Walk or buy a bike. ;-)



There are many people who need a car. Many businesses would go down the pan if they had to deliver their goods by bike ;-)
Every penny that fuel is increased by increases the price of our shopping basket.

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There are many people who need a car. Many businesses would go down the … There are many people who need a car. Many businesses would go down the pan if they had to deliver their goods by bike ;-) Every penny that fuel is increased by increases the price of our shopping basket.



Yeah the more the price of fuel goes up so will the supermarket price due to lorries having to spend more on fuel. And yes this is true as my uncle owns a hallage (cant spell) company and just reduces the profit margain all the time.

In real terms petrol prices have stayed the same over the last 30 years!

:whistling:

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With the cheapest local litre of U/L now ringing in at 95.9, is it time … With the cheapest local litre of U/L now ringing in at 95.9, is it time for people to show their dissaproval again?It seems that protest is the only way to get what you want. I believe that if you give them an inch, they will take a yard :x It looks like it's going to top the £1 mark this time, at the rate it's going, and the treasury is STILL raking in it's fuel taxes at the same rate. My local Esso is charging 98.9 for U/L AND derv!! In some places, the diesel ltr is cheaper than U/L. Profiteering?Opinions welcome.



Why shouldn't derv be cheaper ?

ade2j

Yeah the more the price of fuel goes up so will the supermarket price due … Yeah the more the price of fuel goes up so will the supermarket price due to lorries having to spend more on fuel. And yes this is true as my uncle owns a hallage (cant spell) company and just reduces the profit margain all the time.



haulage? LOL!

rash

haulage? LOL!



Thats the one you gotta love young people :whistling:

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stora

Why shouldn't derv be cheaper ?



Ummm, because there is less demand for diesel?
In all circles of trade, sales equate to price. Stock 'em high and cheap.
The vast majority of vehicles take petrol, so the petrol ltr should be cheaper than the diesel litre. Apart from which, diesel is defined as a dirty fuel. It gets more to the gallon, but produces more pollution. Company car tax is higher for diesels for that very reason ... emissions.

The most effective day for a petrol strike would be on the day Tony Blair leaves... would totally take the glory away from him and put a load of pressure on Gordon to sort it out before he can get used to being the Prime Minister.

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duckmagicuk2

The most effective day for a petrol strike would be on the day Tony Blair … The most effective day for a petrol strike would be on the day Tony Blair leaves... would totally take the glory away from him and put a load of pressure on Gordon to sort it out before he can get used to being the Prime Minister.



I'm up for that :thumbsup:
Sounds like a plan to me. June 27th it is. No petrol or travel for me on that day.

I still think that the wagons at the gate is the best idea.

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Ummm, because there is less demand for diesel?In all circles of trade, … Ummm, because there is less demand for diesel?In all circles of trade, sales equate to price. Stock 'em high and cheap.The vast majority of vehicles take petrol, so the petrol ltr should be cheaper than the diesel litre.


Don't want to rain on your parade, but, according to Auto Express, there are more diesels sold in this country than petrol last year.
And, BTW, diesel in the US is much cheaper than petrol, despite the fact that almost all US cars are petrol.
It is all down to taxation methink.

ok but let me fill up first this time, i nearly got stuck at my mother in laws last time.

I didn't agree with the last protest but it was fun watching a teacher trying to push in the front of the line because they thought their job was more important than the rest of the cars and vans. The police had to be called in the end

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Kommunist

Don't want to rain on your parade, but, according to Auto Express, there … Don't want to rain on your parade, but, according to Auto Express, there are more diesels sold in this country than petrol last year. :)And, BTW, diesel in the US is much cheaper than petrol, despite the fact that almost all US cars are petrol.It is all down to taxation methink.



It's also due to the fact that diesel gets more MPG. Nothing to do with it being the ecologically sound fuel choice, everything to do with saving a few pennies on the MPG ratio. The tax burden should reflect on the cleanliness of the fuel as well as the distance economy of it. I feel 'cleaner' using u/l petrol than using a fuel that leaves great masses of soot all over everything. The price of the fuel should reflect that eco friendliness IMO. Being environmentally friendly is about more than doing 10mpg more on a gallon. It's about the trail of destruction that extra 10mpg costs the planet.

But, that extra 10MPG is using less fuel, and I think diesel uses less oil to make the same amount as it's not processed as much. Also, that u/l fuel which you are saying is supposedly "cleaner" has been involved in the "cracking" process much more, so more coal and whatever has been used to power the refinery...

stora

I didn't agree with the last protest but it was fun watching a teacher … I didn't agree with the last protest but it was fun watching a teacher trying to push in the front of the line because they thought their job was more important than the rest of the cars and vans. The police had to be called in the end



Doesn't affect me, I have an emergency card which allows me to fill at any station that has fuel and regardless of any queues that are there, straight to the top of the queue and fill up.

It's a real pain because I can't take any days off work so no excuses :x

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It's also due to the fact that diesel gets more MPG. Nothing to do with … It's also due to the fact that diesel gets more MPG. Nothing to do with it being the ecologically sound fuel choice, everything to do with saving a few pennies on the MPG ratio. The tax burden should reflect on the cleanliness of the fuel as well as the distance economy of it. I feel 'cleaner' using u/l petrol than using a fuel that leaves great masses of soot all over everything. The price of the fuel should reflect that eco friendliness IMO. Being environmentally friendly is about more than doing 10mpg more on a gallon. It's about the trail of destruction that extra 10mpg costs the planet.



Ahem!!

I drive a diesel. My emissions are only 119 incurring a Vehicle Excise Duty of only £35 per year due to its ecological friendliness.

I think you'll find that my emissions are lower than 90% of unleaded users on here. Not all diesels are monsters!!

Why cant car tax be added to to petrol prices. The more miles you drive, thereby creating wear and tear on the roads/environment the more tax you pay. You would also get rid of untaxed vehicles as well.

Cars which are car tax exempt ie disability can have the money added to their weekly dla to pay for the increased tax on petrol.

Casey2901

Ahem!!I drive a diesel. My emissions are only 119 incurring a Vehicle … Ahem!!I drive a diesel. My emissions are only 119 incurring a Vehicle Excise Duty of only £35 per year due to its ecological friendliness.I think you'll find that my emissions are lower than 90% of unleaded users on here. Not all diesels are monsters!!


The CO2 isn't the only pollutant as you know And diesels emit NOx too, which, for some reason, doesn't count towards VED. Not that I care even slightest about pollution, you know ;-)

Ditto

Why cant car tax be added to to petrol prices. The more miles you drive, … Why cant car tax be added to to petrol prices. The more miles you drive, thereby creating wear and tear on the roads/environment the more tax you pay. You would also get rid of untaxed vehicles as well.


It is already in there. The more you drive, the more fuel you buy. The more fuel you buy, the more tax on it you pay. Simple as that.

But people wouldn't complain about the price of fuel if road tax was scrapped.

At the moment your paying twice:x

There always be someone who would complain, so don't count on that. According to recent Whatcar poll, there were something like 10% of people who in favour of pay-per-mile charges in addition to current taxation. If it'll be implemented, you (and I) are going to pay thrice.

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It's funny how they listen to the arguement for extra taxation, whilst being deaf to tax neutral arguements :roll:
I also have no problem with the 'pay-per-mile' arguement on fuel. I am positively against congestion charging if it doesn't come alongside a scrapping of VED. You can only hammer the motorist so much without providing them a cheap, viable public transport alternative. I have a reduced PT service on Saturdays, and NO service on a Sunday, in my town. That is unacceptable. Completely and utterly. Not that PT is affordable in it's current form. At £2 for a 300m hop on the bus, with the shopping, it just takes the mickey out of us.
Until there is a PT infrastructure that is deserving of praise (London aside) I will continue to argue against exorbitant taxation on the motorist. You have to get from A-B somehow, and currently the car is cheapest and easily more convenient by default only.

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It's funny how they listen to the arguement for extra taxation, whilst … It's funny how they listen to the arguement for extra taxation, whilst being deaf to tax neutral arguements :roll:



Who, me?

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Ditto

Who, me?



No, Gordon Brown and his cronies.

We passed a Shell garage on the way back from Glasgow and the petrol for unleaded was up to 99.5p, i was sure i hadnt been away for that long !! lol
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