Today's "Maths" qualifications are so dumbed down, no wonder kids get such high marks

Found 7th Sep 2009
I wanted to go on a "move on with maths" course that was purely recreational. I only have a CSE 3 in maths, but I did degree level maths on my computer science degree. Anyway had forgotten a lot of maths and even did not know how to do long division cos I had forgotten it all after no use whatsoever.

I did a computer test for 40 minutes and the computer said I was a good level 2 and should do a level 3 course. The college told me that level 2 was GCSE level 3 equivelent, but they told me I got all the answers right except one, and that I should do a level 3 which was A level type grade, but they could not offer me a level 3 course even though they tested me and stated I was at level 3. They said if I did level 2 I would just be bored.

Well the point of all this. THE TEST WAS SO DAMN EASY, really, it was for dumbasses, is this the grade of GSCE 3 ?? Seriously, the level of maths I was doing was nowhere near what we had when I was a kid , 25 years ago. The questions were pathetically easy compared to then, and I had forgotten a lot.

No wonder the kids are getting such great GCSE and A Levels if this is the sort of level that is acceptable and standards drop down to such basement levels.

I'm not trying to act superior, but I dont consider myself a maths wizard, and would encourage anybody who has maths problems to try and better themselves.

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Dapunk

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back in my day you weren't allowed calculators ;-)

just saying :whistling:

lol.........I remember log books and slide rules

Are you from America?

kt21;6233852

lol.........I remember log books and slide rules



me too :oops:

this is a myth, when I sat my higher maths 12 years ago middle aged people were saying the exact same thing.
its got nothing to do with falling standards or dumbing down the tests but its the fact that contrary to popular opinion kids are working harder than they used on their exams and arent all out stabbing each other while high on drink and drugs after robbing a pensioner.

The test was so damn easy but you stil got one wrong

I have said for years that I believe I could sit any subject gcse (bar the languages) and get a grade c without any previous revision. They have been dumbed down badly.

ants97;6233876

this is a myth, when I sat my higher maths 12 years ago middle aged … this is a myth, when I sat my higher maths 12 years ago middle aged people were saying the exact same thing. its got nothing to do with falling standards or dumbing down the tests but its the fact that contrary to popular opinion kids are working harder than they used on their exams and arent all out stabbing each other while high on drink and drugs after robbing a pensioner.



well said, repped :thumbsup:

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how can you say that doing it at 30 or 40 is not different to doing it at 16, at 16 you arent doing just 1 GCSE the same as you havent had 30 or 40 years doing more, 16 is a young age and lots of pressure elswhere, not exactly the same as being 30 or 40 and being less vunerable to the pressures of being young

sassie;6233996

how can you say that doing it at 30 or 40 is not different to doing it at … how can you say that doing it at 30 or 40 is not different to doing it at 16, at 16 you arent doing just 1 GCSE the same as you havent had 30 or 40 years doing more, 16 is a young age and lots of pressure elswhere, not exactly the same as being 30 or 40 and being less vunerable to the pressures of being young



Yep dead right no pressures of paying off a mortgage or holding down a job or bringing up kids cooking meals washing up ironing shopping saving for things holidays, yep being 30 or 40 plus is easy peasy :whistling:

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Benson's Bargain;6234063

Yep dead right no pressures of paying off a mortgage or holding down a … Yep dead right no pressures of paying off a mortgage or holding down a job or bringing up kids cooking meals washing up ironing shopping saving for things holidays, yep being 30 or 40 plus is easy peasy :whistling:



we are talking about children, teenagewrs, not fully fledged adults who have lived a little, once you leave the teenage years you are in training for all the aboved, i never said it was easy peasey, and you also dont do any tests at the end to show your abilities

GCSE maths is quite straightforward, yes. However, you did not do a GCSE or A level maths test, "equivalent" usually means anything but.

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What are you talking about level 3 GCSE for? there is a foundation, intermediate and higher exam sounds like you did the foundation lol

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ants97;6233876

this is a myth, when I sat my higher maths 12 years ago middle aged … this is a myth, when I sat my higher maths 12 years ago middle aged people were saying the exact same thing. its got nothing to do with falling standards or dumbing down the tests but its the fact that contrary to popular opinion kids are working harder than they used on their exams and arent all out stabbing each other while high on drink and drugs after robbing a pensioner.



here here

kt21;6233852

lol.........I remember log books and slide rules



Thy wus looky - we had to memorise t' log books and make our own slide rules out of sticks ...!
If we got t' question wrong, teacher used to nail our 'eads t' wall!

:p:-D

Spod;6234165

Thy wus looky - we had to memorise t' log books and make our own slide … Thy wus looky - we had to memorise t' log books and make our own slide rules out of sticks ...!If we got t' question wrong, teacher used to nail our 'eads t' wall!:p:-D



Aww didst tha wear clogs lined wi paper?

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sassie;6233996

how can you say that doing it at 30 or 40 is not different to doing it at … how can you say that doing it at 30 or 40 is not different to doing it at 16, at 16 you arent doing just 1 GCSE the same as you havent had 30 or 40 years doing more, 16 is a young age and lots of pressure elswhere, not exactly the same as being 30 or 40 and being less vunerable to the pressures of being young



you forgot the fact the 40 year old hasn't spent the last 11 years being taught maths, so will have probably forgot a lot of stuff that a 16 year old shouldn't have, so really, in my view, should be expected to do worse (unless he is in a job that requires a lot of maths).

I think kids now are taught how to pass the exams rather than the subject, which is why the pass rate increases year on year. Plus they do seem to be easier, at least from the coursework I have seen my daughter bring home.

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colinsunderland;6234271

you forgot the fact the 40 year old hasn't spent the last 11 years being … you forgot the fact the 40 year old hasn't spent the last 11 years being taught maths, so will have probably forgot a lot of stuff that a 16 year old shouldn't have, so really, in my view, should be expected to do worse (unless he is in a job that requires a lot of maths).I think kids now are taught how to pass the exams rather than the subject, which is why the pass rate increases year on year. Plus they do seem to be easier, at least from the coursework I have seen my daughter bring home.



i didnt take GCSE at school, was far to interested in mucking about, but did go back to college about 9 years ago to do them, and the nerves i felkt as a grown women where pretty horrendous, and can honestly say never felt as nervous as i did doing them, none of us want to fail and the pressure put on kids to pass is probably as bad as the nerves i felt that day, being an adult i probably felt with my nerves far better than my 16 yr old will

GCSE maths isn't supposed to be testing for a mathematical ability. Yes you may have forgotten a lot but remembered a lot more than you give yourself credit for.

I think the mindset of a 16 year old and that of someone even 5 years older are really quite different and so retaking an exam designed for a 16yo really means jack **** when you're knocking 40.

Saying that exams these days aren't necessarily easier but they are quite formulaic so if you study hard enough you *will* pass because you will have done the same questions 100 times before. It depends what we're testing for as to whether or not they're good tests.

If it's to find future Einsteins no they're useless. If it's to find people who have a good work ethic and will knuckle down to acheive goals set well they're probably pretty damn good.

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I don't really see the point of having exams in maths (or any other subject) if they aren't an indication of your ability in that subject.
When I took my GCE maths it certainly wasn't an exam to find out how you can tick boxes, we weren't allowed calculators and lost points if we didn't show working out.
My daughter is doing well in maths, in the top set and towards the top of her class but I'm shocked at how little mental arithmetic she can do (well could do until i started on her lol!)

A Levels are the same, what is the value in having an exam that 97% pass? Would a better system not be say top 10% of marks in the country get an A, next 20% get a B, next 20% get a C and the rest fail. At least that would show employers and uni's who was actually good.

Times change. Your older and hopefully more wiser than a 16 year old.
but I did degree level maths on my computer science degree

It depends, I just assume one of the main reasons people do better is down to far better access to things like the internet, home pc's and such.

I did well in my exams when I left school and found them stressful but easy but this was 10 years ago.

colinsunderland;6234684

I don't really see the point of having exams in maths (or any other … I don't really see the point of having exams in maths (or any other subject) if they aren't an indication of your ability in that subject.When I took my GCE maths it certainly wasn't an exam to find out how you can tick boxes, we weren't allowed calculators and lost points if we didn't show working out. My daughter is doing well in maths, in the top set and towards the top of her class but I'm shocked at how little mental arithmetic she can do (well could do until i started on her lol!)A Levels are the same, what is the value in having an exam that 97% pass? Would a better system not be say top 10% of marks in the country get an A, next 20% get a B, next 20% get a C and the rest fail. At least that would show employers and uni's who was actually good.



The problem with this is working out is does having the best grade make someone the smartest?

If a child from a poor family and rough area gets C's and the kid from a far better off family and good area and better access to facilities gets A's who is smarter?

ryouga;6234874

If a child from a poor family and rough area gets C's and the kid from a … If a child from a poor family and rough area gets C's and the kid from a far better off family and good area and better access to facilities gets A's who is smarter?



Stephen Hawking.
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