Tony Blair calls for people to 'rise up' against Brexit

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Found 17th Feb
Why does this man keep turning up as often as dog faeces on my retro leather trainers?

This is a man that brought us into a war that most legal institutions believe was illegal & therefor dually responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

This is the man that signed more rights of the UK away to the EU the day before Brown took over. Just because he could.

This was the man that converted to Catholicism within a few months after leaving office because he thought the public would reject him being a Catholic whilst in office.

This is the man that promised a referendum on EU membership if the country voted Labour again but welched on that promise too when Labour were voted back in..

This is the man that made himself a multimillionaire on contracts signed days after leaving office that were directly related to the "decisions & actions" he funnily enough made in office.

Edit (Davewave reminded me) --- This was the man appointed as Middle East Peace Envoy to sort out the mess he made BUT failed!

Well anyway... He says this if anyone who still holds him in any regard at all is interested.

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bbc.co.uk/new…179

Tony Blair is to announce his "mission" to persuade Britons' to "rise up" and change their minds on Brexit.
The former prime minister will say in a speech later that people voted in the referendum "without knowledge of the true terms of Brexit".
He will say he wants to "build support for finding a way out from the present rush over the cliff's edge".
But former Cabinet minister Iain Duncan Smith said Mr Blair's comments were arrogant and utterly undemocratic.
Downing Street has said it is "absolutely committed" to seeing Brexit through.
Prime Minister Theresa May wants to trigger formal Brexit talks by the end of March - a move which was backed in the House of Commons by MPs last week.
Immigration issues
Mr Blair, who was UK prime minister between 1997 and 2007, will say in his speech to the pro-European campaign group Open Britain that those driving a withdrawal from the European Union "always wanted a hard Brexit".
"Indeed even the term 'Hard Brexit' requires amendment. The policy is now 'Brexit at any cost'," he will say.
"Our challenge is to expose relentlessly the actual cost, to show how this decision was based on imperfect knowledge which will now become informed knowledge, to calculate in 'easy to understand' ways how proceeding will cause real damage to the country and its citizens and to build support for finding a way out from the present rush over the cliff's edge."
Mr Blair, who campaigned to Remain in the EU, will say he accepts the verdict of June's referendum, but would recommend looking again at Brexit when "we have a clear sense of where we're going".
Leave voters in Sunderland during the EU referendum count
Image caption
51.9% of UK voters backed leaving the EU in June
He will also say the debate is being driven by immigration "which I fully accept is a substantial issue".
"Nonetheless, we have moved in a few months from a debate about what sort of Brexit involving a balanced consideration of all the different possibilities; to the primacy of one consideration - namely controlling immigration from the EU - without any real discussion as to why and when Brexit doesn't affect the immigration people most care about."
A government spokesman said the British people had expressed their view very clearly on 23 June, adding: "There will be no second referendum."
Iain Duncan Smith, who was a prominent Leave campaigner, said Mr Blair's comments were arrogant, utterly undemocratic and showed that the political elite was completely out of touch with the British people.
Supporters of leaving the EU argue it will free up the UK to trade better globally and give the government better control of immigration.
What's next for Blair?
Previously, Mr Blair has called for the views of the "16 million" people who had backed remaining in the EU not to be ignored.
He has argued that there has to be a way, either "through Parliament, or an election, or possibly through another referendum, in which people express their view".
Earlier this month, MPs overwhelmingly agreed to let the government begin the UK's departure from the EU by voting for the Brexit bill.
The draft legislation was approved by 494 votes to 122, and now moves to the House of Lords.
The government has promised to invoke Article 50 - setting formal talks with the EU in motion - by the end of next month, but it requires Parliament's permission before doing so.

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First Class ****

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he needs help, but because of mental health cuts we have to have dangerouse people like him living in the community

why should we listen or trust blair, he lied to us, jumped ship when it all went wrong for him and left us with gordon brown the unelected, who promptly sold off britains gold at a knockdown price.
and still he is at the rear shouting as loud as he can, as he is making a lot of easy money himself from staying in europe, and i do mean for himself, nothing this greedy man gets is shared
i am still resolved in my own vote and opinion, and the fact that blair is still trying to line his pockets further, cements it for me

proof if proof were needed that Britain has made the right choice to leave

hairyharry23

why should we listen or trust blair, he lied to us, jumped ship when it … why should we listen or trust blair, he lied to us, jumped ship when it all went wrong for him and left us with gordon brown the unelected, who promptly sold off britains gold at a knockdown price.and still he is at the rear shouting as loud as he can, as he is making a lot of easy money himself from staying in europe, and i do mean for himself, nothing this greedy man gets is shared i am still resolved in my own vote and opinion, and the fact that blair is still trying to line his pockets further, cements it for me



​Shouldn't we be complaining about May, the unelected? It is 2017 after all

just another full of **** politician who was out to fill his pockets! guy fawkes had the right idea!! #lockthedoors

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erikax

just another full of **** politician who was out to fill his pockets! guy … just another full of **** politician who was out to fill his pockets! guy fawkes had the right idea!! #lockthedoors



Blair did more damage in his last 48rs than anyone could imagine or even comprehend.

There's lots of reasons isnt there:

He has a lot of time on his hands, he is a former PM, he is intelligent with a vast experience in politics, Brexit is a huge issue, current Labour leader is a Russian proxy troll.

I don't like TB. Not even a committed Labour voter. But the issue regarding Brexit and Europe is much larger than TB and also significantly more important. What we win and what we lose by separating ourselves from a sluggish EU that often seems "undemocratic" does need careful and thorough analysis. So much propaganda met with shouting and emotive calls of "unpatriotism" is not the best way to determine the future of our country. TB is a past and unpopular PM but he is intelligent and he does have time on his hands... but he should be careful. MT was unpopular and if she had been voicing opinions after having left No 10 I am not sure how her reception would have been!

Blair should butt out, we voted, it's over. It isn't a case of calling for another referendum and voting again and again until we "get it right". There were lies told on both sides, and to suggest we were all taken in by them is both insulting and just plain wrong. The referendum is the only time I've voted and my vote actually counted and made a difference, and I voted out of a POLITICAL union with Europe. I didn't vote out because of immigration, I didn't vote out on a promise of more money for NHS. We were becoming more and more isolated within the EU, yet at the same time we were paying more and more in. Blair, Clegg, Farron etc. are doing more harm than good with their inability to accept the result.

I guess Blair never (knowingly) lied or chose to mislead us about anything when he was in office, huh?
Edited by: "booky" 17th Feb

P.S Despite disagreeing with Tony Blair, I have to admit that, at least he can string a coherent sentence together.
Have you seen the full press conference given by the leader of the free world!

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davewave

Are you looking for a way to comment on Jews, your anti-semitism may be … Are you looking for a way to comment on Jews, your anti-semitism may be showing?BTW dogs can't be Jewish, that's an offensive comment.



Dave

Its only offensive because you chose it to be. I like 90% of your comments but you often accuse people of anti-semitism just because they disagree with you.

You accuse Theresa May of being a poodle of the Russians but you fail to recognise Tony Blair has done more damage (as a world figure) to Israel & the Middle East than anyone else since 1939.
Edited by: "YouDontWantToKnow" 17th Feb

YouDontWantToKnow

DaveIts only offensive because you chose it to be. I like 90% of your … DaveIts only offensive because you chose it to be. I like 90% of your comments but you often accuse people of anti-semitism just because they disagree with you. You accuse Theresa May of being a poodle of the Russians but you fail to recognise Tony Blair has done more damage (as a world figure) to Israel & the Middle East than anyone else since 1939.


I have never accused Theresa May of being a poodle of the Russians, where on earth did you come up with that?
Why are you banging on about the 2nd world war and Israel, perhaps you may be a bit obsessed with Jews?

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davewave

I have never accused Theresa May of being a poodle of the Russians, where … I have never accused Theresa May of being a poodle of the Russians, where on earth did you come up with that?



Errrrr

current Labour leader is a Russian proxy troll.



I guess I got the wrong person.

You think Corbyn is a poodle of the Russians.....

To YouDontWantToKnow - Please don't private message me and I haven't deleted any posts here. I don't appreciate your sinister messages.

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davewave

To YouDontWantToKnow - Please don't private message me and I haven't … To YouDontWantToKnow - Please don't private message me and I haven't deleted any posts here. I don't appreciate your sinister messages.



Ha... Sinister??

Feel free to publish it.

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davewave

and I haven't deleted any posts here.



Where has this one gone then?

Are you looking for a way to comment on Jews, your anti-semitism may be … Are you looking for a way to comment on Jews, your anti-semitism may be showing?BTW dogs can't be Jewish, that's an offensive comment.

Should start a petition to get this war criminal locked up. Must think remain sheep will buy his next book.

davewave

and I haven't deleted any posts here.

Are you looking for a way to comment on Jews, your anti-semitism may be … Are you looking for a way to comment on Jews, your anti-semitism may be showing?BTW dogs can't be Jewish, that's an offensive comment.


I didn't delete it.

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davewave

I didn't delete it.



Well its not there no more & I cannot delete your posts

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john184

Should start a petition to get this war criminal locked up. Must think … Should start a petition to get this war criminal locked up. Must think remain sheep will buy his next book.



I would sign it.

headanove

I don't like TB. Not even a committed Labour voter. But the issue … I don't like TB. Not even a committed Labour voter. But the issue regarding Brexit and Europe is much larger than TB and also significantly more important. What we win and what we lose by separating ourselves from a sluggish EU that often seems "undemocratic" does need careful and thorough analysis. So much propaganda met with shouting and emotive calls of "unpatriotism" is not the best way to determine the future of our country. TB is a past and unpopular PM but he is intelligent and he does have time on his hands... but he should be careful. MT was unpopular and if she had been voicing opinions after having left No 10 I am not sure how her reception would have been!



Excellent and thoughtful post.

The EU is by no means perfect, but we absolutely have to weigh up what we could lose alongside the possible benefits and base a decision on that. At the heart of that should be the economy, but sadly I think we're past rational analysis now.

He is taking a leaf out of Hillary's tear-stained book.

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ceres

That's a very ungracious apology.



not biting. sorry

This guy was a maniac when he was PM borrowing huge amounts money to full fill his plans that saw us as his minions!

Now he is back with more insanity!

I would advise remainers to give this guy a wide birth! Like any cult leader he has rhetoric but he is just using the cause/people as way to gain control.
Edited by: "groenleader" 17th Feb

Blair is an odd one. I actually think he was a sincere fellow and he recognised Labour are never going to be electable if they stick to their socialist principles.

But what he did was promise people the world - good public services without high taxation (for the most part) and he was able to ride the wave of economic growth during his time in office.

Unfortunately when things collapsed the flaws were laid bare.

Charismatic leaders falsely promising people the world is nothing new though, and Brexit and Trump are the latest proponents.

What's striking is that Blair is still arguably the most statesmanlike-figure in British politics. Compared to the disastrous Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn he's leagues ahead.

I'd have loved to have seen a proper debate on the EU between him and Farage before the referendum. No studio audience, no time limits, just a proper discussion on the issues without soundbites or ad breaks.

Alas we had that joke of a debate at Wembley Arena.

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ceres

I'll pass your 'sorry' on to davewave. It belongs to him.



Of course it does. Whilst you are at it ask him what "sinister" PM I sent him. (I have a copy if he refuses to give you it)

So he wants people to rise up, just as they rised up in massive numbers to protest his attack on Iraq so the tories can ignore the populus just as he did.

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ceres

I'm not interested in seeing the contents of a Private Message. However, … I'm not interested in seeing the contents of a Private Message. However, I'm sure you're aware that the sending of unsolicited PMs is a breach of the CoC. Perhaps you should stick to debating the topic in-thread.



Are you some sort of bully?

Dave raised the PM & also raised the anti-semitic comment & also the puppet of Russia comment.

I am on topic thanks

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ceres

I'm not interested in seeing the contents of a Private Message. However, … I'm not interested in seeing the contents of a Private Message. However, I'm sure you're aware that the sending of unsolicited PMs is a breach of the CoC. Perhaps you should stick to debating the topic in-thread.



Just PMd you. Feel free to publish

I am the first here to name his strategy, "regime change"
Edited by: "splender" 17th Feb

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splender

I am the first here to name his strategy, "regime change"



"'Bringing Britain Together', London 1997."

"all in it together" London 2008

praevalens

​Shouldn't we be complaining about May, the unelected? It is 2017 after a … ​Shouldn't we be complaining about May, the unelected? It is 2017 after all


Who else is electable, I love to see a list of candidates, lol. They all do alternative fact.

First time me and Blair have agreed on something.

Have to feel though his support or words will only make the hard brexiters dig their heels in.

It's a shame the question wasn't actually about a "hard" or "soft" Brexit... it's almost as if the referendum didn't ask the right question or in fact debate the right issues/facts.

It's already been proved that immigration cannot and will not go down in fact will probably go up, there was no £350 million a day, and "Brussels" never made us have straight bananas.

Financially leave Europe long term won't hurt us.

But it's not all about money.

If money is all we care about now.. money and jobs... let's ditch the welfare state and NHS, cut taxes massively and invest the rest in industry.

As usual in this country people want their cake (free in many cases) then they want to stuff their obese faces... usually without knowing the facts and when their health then dips - expect miracles from the "free" health service.


Edited by: "joanddan7" 17th Feb

A better speech than May has ever made, but the response to it is typical. He's easily dismissed because of Iraq however valid his argument is.

Brexit unfortunately isn't about logic or reason. It's about what Mark Zuckerberg wrote about today, how globalisation isn't working for everyone.

We're the fifth largest economy in the world in part due to our relationship with the single market, but people in Walsall, Oldham and Batley don't feel that. So they reject the status quo even though what is likely to follow will be worse for them.

Unfortunately Gove was right. Britain is tired of experts and facts. This is not an argument that can be won through rational debate.

'Tony Blair advises Kazakh president on publicity after killing of protesters'

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HotEnglishAndWelshDeals

A better speech than May has ever made, but the response to it is … A better speech than May has ever made, but the response to it is typical. He's easily dismissed because of Iraq however valid his argument is.Brexit unfortunately isn't about logic or reason. It's about what Mark Zuckerberg wrote about today, how globalisation isn't working for everyone.We're the fifth largest economy in the world in part due to our relationship with the single market, but people in Walsall, Oldham and Batley don't feel that. So they reject the status quo even though what is likely to follow will be worse for them.Unfortunately Gove was right. Britain is tired of experts and facts. This is not an argument that can be won through rational debate.



​nice of you to give the good people of Batley a mention, care to enlighten on why Walsall and Oldham get a mention?

Error440

So he wants people to rise up, just as they rised up in massive numbers … So he wants people to rise up, just as they rised up in massive numbers to protest his attack on Iraq so the tories can ignore the populus just as he did.



You got that wrong, before the outset (and at the start) of the war in iraq the country was in favour of the war. All the opinion polls at the time said this. The aftermath was a shocker though and he should be held to account for that. The lack of planning and the way those people (iraqis) were treated, and basically abandoned in some cases, should be investigated and people brought to book.

shadey12

​nice of you to give the good people of Batley a mention, care to e … ​nice of you to give the good people of Batley a mention, care to enlighten on why Walsall and Oldham get a mention?



Because they're examples of deprived towns.

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shadey12

care to enlighten on why Walsall



Walsall ... Sandwell

Same location joined to each other

Walsall is worth £100 pound on the Monopoly Board... Sandwell is worth £2.37


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